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News Study: Yelling At Children Has Similar Effects To Physical Abuse

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I haven't read the study, only your title and post. I'm not much for studies, and I don't feel like I need convincing. It makes sense to me that to experience someone three, four or five times your size, who you're dependent on practically and emotionally, hurling anger at you - is a type of assault.

My craniosacral (somatic) therapist said that when a parent yells at a child, it's like they're sticking the child full of little thorns. Those thorns are painful and they don't come out easily.
 
Good post. Sometimes I want to laugh at the subject of these studies, as in, did you REALLY need a study to know that's true? Well, I know many won't believe things until it's proven (in a scientific fashion), like my sister who is a pharmacist won't believe that any homeopathic or natural remedies work simply because they haven't been *proven*. But, I digress.

I have always told people that the emotional abuse I endured (lots of yelling) was by far worse than the physical or sexual abuse. Most of the time I think they don't believe me.
 
I read the post and the article last Saturday. I have been weighing up my experiences. I did not say that the articles were a bunch of hokum. I said that I don't know what to think about it.

To be fair though, the University of Pittsburgh article referenced in Nadia's link does use less concrete terms than the thread title. The actual title for the source article is Yelling Doesn’t Help, May Harm Adolescents, Pitt-Led Study Finds - key word missing is "May" I believe.
Examples from the source article:

  • "may be just as detrimental"
  • "concludes that, rather than minimizing problematic behavior in adolescents, the use of harsh verbal discipline may in fact aggravate it."
  • "The study is one of the first to indicate that harsh verbal discipline from parents can be damaging to developing adolescents. "
  • "“From that we can infer..."

Lots of fudge room here as the source article is a first study.

More interesting to me was: "Another significant contribution of the paper is the finding that these results are bidirectional: the authors showed that harsh verbal discipline occurred more frequently in instances in which the child exhibited problem behaviors, and these same problem behaviors, in turn, were more likely to continue when adolescents received verbal discipline.

“It’s a vicious circle,” Wang said. “And it’s a tough call for parents because it goes both ways: problem behaviors from children create the desire to give harsh verbal discipline, but that discipline may push adolescents toward those same problem behaviors.
 
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Couldn't finish what I had to say because I had to do a short shift. Other than the above, this study was done with parents and children with reasonably "normal" relations. That is certainly not the case for a good number of us. Or at least it wasn't for me. The source article says:

"The researchers conducted the study in 10 public middle schools in eastern Pennsylvania over a two-year period, working with 967 adolescents and their parents. Students and their parents completed surveys over a period of two years on topics related to their mental health, child-rearing practices, the quality of the parent-child relationship, and general demographics.

Significantly, most of the students were from middle-class families. “There was nothing extreme or broken about these homes,” Wang stressed. “These were not ‘high-risk’ families. We can assume there are a lot of families like this—there’s an okay relationship between parents and kids, and the parents care about their kids and don’t want them to engage in problem behaviors.”

Again with the assumption thing, but also this study was done on middle school students who had an "okay relationship" and were not "high risk families."

I hope in further studies, that somebody would see fit to include that group. It certainly applied to me, and also to about a quarter of our lower middle class neighborhood that I grew up in. I knew that other kids were going through what I was going through. Some better, some worse. We recognized each other but didn't discuss it much. We did stick up for each other with other neighborhood kids.

Maybe my neighborhood was statistically skewed and maybe 25% is nowhere near a reasonable number. But that was another thing that caused me to not know how to take what I was reading. Being from the "high-risk family" where there was physical abuse and some neglect in addition to the verbal stuff... my initial reaction was that the group studied didn't have exposure to traumatizing real life events and maybe that's why the study results came out that way.

I don't know. It just seemed like a bunch of assumptions after studying a bunch of "normal" middle school kids except for the part in the post above: "...these results are bidirectional: the authors showed that harsh verbal discipline occurred more frequently in instances in which the child exhibited problem behaviors, and these same problem behaviors, in turn, were more likely to continue when adolescents received verbal discipline. “It’s a vicious circle..."

I actually think I did do a bit of the problem behaviors thing and can see the cycle making some things go from bad to worse though my abusive father and neglectful mother clearly did not have an okay relationship with me or each other. But we know already about the cycle of familial dysfunction where abuse is concerned. Just rambling now, so I'll shut up.
 
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