OIFvetIVAW
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NOT ONE of the 9i11 hijackers were Afghani or spent time in Afghanistan, I can't comprehend it, what war criminals? Go ahead and let me have it, I'd rather be impulsive and take my aggression out on a forum then in real life
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Zipperhead
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Thanks for being blunt. Go ahead. Vent away. If you want to blame some rich old boys for your reality go ahead. But don't inclued me in your list of war criminals. I have tortured no one. I went there in the hopes of helping. And I have never killed anyone that didn't really deserve it. BTW, I have been to some of the terrorist training camps. Seen them with my own eyes. And I have seen the disregard for human life from the terrorists first had. I have seen the innocent slaughtered just because they dared hope. So if you want to invite the terrorist scum to your table, up to you. I have slept in their deserts and breathed their dust. I have seen their hate. They will not dine at my table.
Tim Cake
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But it is easy to forget that Mullah Omar and his Taliban buddies provided the safe haven, training grounds, and connections to financial support for the Al-Qaeda scumbags who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Therefore, Omar and his buddies are fair targets for the US military. As far as I am concerned, any group or individual who materially contributed to the 9/11 attacks deserves a "visit" from the US military. However, the war in Iraq is another story altogether.
Anglesachse
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SUPPORT FROM INSIDE THE US TO ASSIST THE IRA
You guys realy don`t want to be f*cking going there, Considering this forum is used by a lot of other nationalities.
You guys realy don`t want to be f*cking going there, Considering this forum is used by a lot of other nationalities.
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The only absolute truth in this, is that the modern nation does not seem to have a foreign relations memory beyond four months.....maybe a year tops. Some would say that all is forgotten after the election.
Case in point again...Japan. 1905. Teddy Roosevelt brokers a peace between Russia and China. Gets a prize. In return for peace, Japan is allowed to have full reign over the Far East for 35 years. The US exports all it's scrap metal and not a little natural resources and even allows Japan to nick some land from the Germans.
Skip forward 35 years...economic ruin faces the world and suddenly....after 35 years of support...the US does not like what Japan is doing anymore. Cuts off exports. Gee, do you think somebody might have thought this would cause a war? 35 years of death and mayhem raining on the Chinese and Koreans courtesy of American supplied shell and bomb casings.
Of course the big surprise is when everything goes wrong. Lets track back 30 years in our current war. Taliban was armed and supported by the US from 1979, Al Qaeda was started in part by the US in 1979. We really f'd up the Russians. Then we withdrew all support in 1990. Sorry folks, the money store is closed. Allot can happen in 10 years.
As Angle see's it and has also seen it first hand, how can anyone believe that a simple act of "They killed us, so now we will kill them" can cause a decade long war. The world is not that simple. There are people with ulterior motives. Some people will walk over a carpet of bodies to achieve their goals. I've seen it. We called them Hurricane Captains or Crusaders. Almost looking for danger in order to make themselves look good. WTF. The watch word on the ships was....stay away from the crusaders, they'll only get you killed.
As a parting quote and a big question mark on our current war(s). I offer this little tidbit. Mostly because there are more questions raised from these two paragraphs than there are answers. I welcome explanations to this, because I struggle with the facts.
On September 9, 2001, Massoud, then aged 48, was the target of a suicide attack by two Arabs posing as journalists at Khwaja Bahauddin, in the Takhar Province of Afghanistan.[112][113] Massoud, who had survived countless assassination attempts over a period of 26 years, died in a helicopter taking him to a hospital. The first attempt on Massoud's life had been carried out by Hekmatyar and two Pakistani ISI agents in 1975, when Massoud was only 22 years old.[45] In early 2001, Al-Qaeda would-be assassins were captured by Massoud's forces while trying to enter his territory.[103] The funeral, though in a rather rural area, was attended by hundreds of thousands of mourning people.
The assassination of Massoud is believed to have a connection to the September 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. soil, which killed nearly 3000 people, and which appeared to be the terrorist attack that Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier.[114] John P. O'Neill was a counter-terrorism expert and the Assistant Director of the FBI until late 2001. He retired from the FBI and was offered the position of director of security at the World Trade Center (WTC). He took the job at the WTC two weeks before 9/11. On September 10, 2001, O'Neill told two of his friends, "We're due. And we're due for something big.... Some things have happened in Afghanistan. [referring to the assassination of Massoud] I don't like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan.... I sense a shift, and I think things are going to happen ... soon."[115] O'Neill died on September 11, 2001, when the South Tower collapsed.[115]
I reflect on my father when concerning attitudes with war. In the 70's he would say "f*ck the VC, we could have won that war, we had them" in the 80's, he didn't talk about it at all. In the 90's he said "What the hell were we doing there, it makes no sense" by the time he died in 2006 he had pretty much made peace with the whole thing. It didn't cure PTSD, death took care of that.
I struggle to make sense of allot of things, and in my struggle I read allot. Looking for answers. The only thing I think I've learned is that personally, privately you can keep things pretty black and white. However, when you try to apply this to governments and politics, the world is a very very grey place.
In essence, trust in yourself and not a government. And always question the answers from that grey area of life because you have to remember, For them, there is no right or wrong...only grey. You can sell someone a shit sandwich and call it a monte cristo......at the end of the day, it's still a shit sandwich.
Nice thread Zip......Did you expect this to happen?
Case in point again...Japan. 1905. Teddy Roosevelt brokers a peace between Russia and China. Gets a prize. In return for peace, Japan is allowed to have full reign over the Far East for 35 years. The US exports all it's scrap metal and not a little natural resources and even allows Japan to nick some land from the Germans.
Skip forward 35 years...economic ruin faces the world and suddenly....after 35 years of support...the US does not like what Japan is doing anymore. Cuts off exports. Gee, do you think somebody might have thought this would cause a war? 35 years of death and mayhem raining on the Chinese and Koreans courtesy of American supplied shell and bomb casings.
Of course the big surprise is when everything goes wrong. Lets track back 30 years in our current war. Taliban was armed and supported by the US from 1979, Al Qaeda was started in part by the US in 1979. We really f'd up the Russians. Then we withdrew all support in 1990. Sorry folks, the money store is closed. Allot can happen in 10 years.
As Angle see's it and has also seen it first hand, how can anyone believe that a simple act of "They killed us, so now we will kill them" can cause a decade long war. The world is not that simple. There are people with ulterior motives. Some people will walk over a carpet of bodies to achieve their goals. I've seen it. We called them Hurricane Captains or Crusaders. Almost looking for danger in order to make themselves look good. WTF. The watch word on the ships was....stay away from the crusaders, they'll only get you killed.
As a parting quote and a big question mark on our current war(s). I offer this little tidbit. Mostly because there are more questions raised from these two paragraphs than there are answers. I welcome explanations to this, because I struggle with the facts.
On September 9, 2001, Massoud, then aged 48, was the target of a suicide attack by two Arabs posing as journalists at Khwaja Bahauddin, in the Takhar Province of Afghanistan.[112][113] Massoud, who had survived countless assassination attempts over a period of 26 years, died in a helicopter taking him to a hospital. The first attempt on Massoud's life had been carried out by Hekmatyar and two Pakistani ISI agents in 1975, when Massoud was only 22 years old.[45] In early 2001, Al-Qaeda would-be assassins were captured by Massoud's forces while trying to enter his territory.[103] The funeral, though in a rather rural area, was attended by hundreds of thousands of mourning people.
The assassination of Massoud is believed to have a connection to the September 11, 2001 attacks on U.S. soil, which killed nearly 3000 people, and which appeared to be the terrorist attack that Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier.[114] John P. O'Neill was a counter-terrorism expert and the Assistant Director of the FBI until late 2001. He retired from the FBI and was offered the position of director of security at the World Trade Center (WTC). He took the job at the WTC two weeks before 9/11. On September 10, 2001, O'Neill told two of his friends, "We're due. And we're due for something big.... Some things have happened in Afghanistan. [referring to the assassination of Massoud] I don't like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan.... I sense a shift, and I think things are going to happen ... soon."[115] O'Neill died on September 11, 2001, when the South Tower collapsed.[115]
I reflect on my father when concerning attitudes with war. In the 70's he would say "f*ck the VC, we could have won that war, we had them" in the 80's, he didn't talk about it at all. In the 90's he said "What the hell were we doing there, it makes no sense" by the time he died in 2006 he had pretty much made peace with the whole thing. It didn't cure PTSD, death took care of that.
I struggle to make sense of allot of things, and in my struggle I read allot. Looking for answers. The only thing I think I've learned is that personally, privately you can keep things pretty black and white. However, when you try to apply this to governments and politics, the world is a very very grey place.
In essence, trust in yourself and not a government. And always question the answers from that grey area of life because you have to remember, For them, there is no right or wrong...only grey. You can sell someone a shit sandwich and call it a monte cristo......at the end of the day, it's still a shit sandwich.
Nice thread Zip......Did you expect this to happen?
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Zipperhead
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Not really. But still, the rules of the mess.
Do not talk about Religion, Politics or Women.
Causes a fight.
Do not talk about Religion, Politics or Women.
Causes a fight.
Angle is right. Many in the U.S. have supported the IRA. It is a touchy subject to say the least. There is a phrase that I've learned througout my degree program: "One mans terrorist/insurgent is another mans freedom fighter". It is all about prespective. My two cents here, but I think Afghanistan was justified but Iraq not so much. Had we stayed in Afghanistan and did what we should have done, things over there would be much further along. I ain't bad mouthing the military cause it was our job do get it done. But the pols certainly did not make good choices in 2003, in my opinion. Of course, on the upside, I did get to see the jewel that is Iraq, pretty much from Basra all the way to Mosul and everything in between...imagine my joy :mad:
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