These medical doctors

[Mach123]

They would have had me have prostrate removal surgery and they pressured me and not just one doctor and I didn’t do it .

I was right I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2019. I thought this was very grim, especially since everyone in my family on my father side especially died from cancer and some of them were very young.

But now it’s six years later and I’m fine. I can’t get life ins though. I still have my prostrate the urologist just examined it and said I’m fine .

Do you know what I had to go through worrying about this ? Triggered anyone ?

So be careful about listening to the doctors . I was so scared I couldn’t even research it you know . I didn’t even even want to read about it.

What if I had had the surgery? Do you know what the possible complications were for it? That was the reason I didn’t do it because my symptoms were not as bad as the possible adverse complications from that surgery it could been life changing and now seemingly completely unnecessary.

I had to really pushed back against them. They were all in they wanted me to do it. I left the first urologist because I didn’t feel like they were giving me enough options? Then I sat down with three surgeons and they all recommended the surgery and I cross examined them. Do you know what it’s like trying to cross a doctors? They don’t like it very much.

I kept them if I don’t have it. Give me some of the percentages of what happens to people in my situation who opt out of the surgery and they said oh well we don’t have any data on that..

I was like, is that so? Don’t you think people like me would be interested? To help them decide.?

Sigh…

 

[whiteraven]

Do you know what it’s like trying to cross a doctors? They don’t like it very much.

You've got that right! I used to spend a LOT of time in hospitals and doctors' offices. When I was going to have brain surgery, I asked tons of questions and countered several of the surgeon's "have-tos." His response was, "You're a nurse, aren't you?" He was so mad and so nasty. It's why now I only go for med refills, and I go to a clinic. Oh, and only APRNs. It's been easier. I understand that with cancer you can't do that; it's so important not to back down--glad you didn't.

Give me some of the percentages of what happens to people in my situation who opt out of the surgery and they said oh well we don’t have any data on that..

That's BS. There's all sorts of info from the big researchers available. What I've discovered is, they just don't want to be bothered. And if the research didn't come across their desk, they aren't gong to take time to look for it.

I was like, is that so? Don’t you think people like me would be interested? To help them decide.?

I'm convinced doctors are stuck in a box. They are unable to see things from the patient's perspective, and they believe the patient should do whatever they say because, well...they're gods, don't you know. Grrrrrrrr.

My dad had prostate cancer, but it was Stage 4. Still, he managed 8 years.

 

[shimmerz]

Well done taking care of your own self interests, @Mach123 . It takes a lot of guts to go against the medical industrial complex. You are 100% correct, they don't like it. Not one little bit. That takes guts. Here's to your continued good health.

 

[Mach123]

You've got that right! I used to spend a LOT of time in hospitals and doctors' offices. When I was going to have brain surgery, I asked tons of questions and countered several of the surgeon's "have-tos." His response was, "You're a nurse, aren't you?" He was so mad and so nasty. It's why now I only go for med refills, and I go to a clinic. Oh, and only APRNs. It's been easier. I understand that with cancer you can't do that; it's so important not to back down--glad you didn't.

That's BS. There's all sorts of info from the big researchers available. What I've discovered is, they just don't want to be bothered. And if the research didn't come across their desk, they aren't gong to take time to look for it.

I'm convinced doctors are stuck in a box. They are unable to see things from the patient's perspective, and they believe the patient should do whatever they say because, well...they're gods, don't you know. Grrrrrrrr.

My dad had prostate cancer, but it was Stage 4. Still, he managed 8 years.

Yes back in the day there was an old charismatic preacher I used to listen to his tapes . They were borderline I mean they were like Christian scientists sorta but he said the hospitals are temples and the doctors are gods . Anyway you have to watch them. My wife was a care giver for the elderly for a few years and she used to go to the doctor with them and she carried a notebook and wrote down everything. They were always really unhappy about that lol.

 

[Friday]

That's BS. There's all sorts of info from the big researchers available. What I've discovered is, they just don't want to be bothered. And if the research didn't come across their desk, they aren't gong to take time to look for it.

I had to take stats for my degree, and my school offered a stats-class-for-healthcare-degrees version of stats. It still gives me the willies / makes me puke a bit in my mouth, when I think on it.

They not only DO have the numbers on that, and I’ve read them… they have to ADJUST THE DATA for the over 80% of patients who lose (lost then was higher than now, both data sets are still available) their medical insurance and have to discontinue treatment at ALL levels of treatment (in the US) during treatment. That was 20 years ago. NOW??? They have the stats for what state insurance will not pay for, so there’s only partial treatment allowed, with the chemo & surgeries at the lowest bid, instead of the most effective/best drugs & surgeries. The numbers are ALL there. What docs SAY to patients are the less than 20% of people (then and now) who still receive the best care, instead of McCare, or discontinued care. You have to TELL your provider you’ve worked in med -so are threatening them with your own research, and switching providers, as if you’re in the golden circle, but prepared to drop to shite so you NEED to know, to make the best choices moving forward (like selling your home to stay on good insurance)- to get the real numbers.

 

[Freddyt]

I'm convinced doctors are stuck in a box. They are unable to see things from the patient's perspective, and they believe the patient should do whatever they say because, well...they're gods, don't you know. Grrrrrrrr.

Strange as it seems, my dentist was talking about this. They get years of training in being a doctor, and zero training in dealing with patients.
That is changing but it's scary that they could be an outstanding doctor but not have the tools to "do the job" because they have no people skills.

Talking to my doctor and not just doing what they say is a thing with me too. I have always wanted to keep my meds at a minimum. Because when it gets complicates sorting problems gets complicated too. When its simple, tracking the results of changes is simple too.

 

[Friday]

Talking to my doctor and not just doing what they say is a thing with me too.

That’s why health pros “doctor shop”, and not just addicts.

Doctor shopping is a HUGE thing in addiction circles… so it’s an automatic red flag… but it’s also baseline amongst doctors, & nurses, & techs/emts/paramedics, & med admin, AND all of their children who grew up “in the industry”. Because healthcare, in capitalist countries IS an industry. Even in socialized med countries, that are still capitalist, you WANT the private option. When you need it. Because it’s better. McMedcare is fine for stitches, and colds, and broken bones, and every other everyday malady. DAYUM GOOD medicine? Requires the ability to choose who is not only providing your care, but roping in OTHERS to provide further care.

MOST intelligent people? Shop for mechanics, babysitters, and other important fields where results matter. That only addicts and med pros doctor shop? Is f*cking WEIRD.

 

[Mach123]

I had to take stats for my degree, and my school offered a stats-class-for-healthcare-degrees version of stats. It still gives me the willies / makes me puke a bit in my mouth, when I think on it.

They not only DO have the numbers on that, and I’ve read them… they have to ADJUST THE DATA for the over 80% of patients who lose (lost then was higher than now, both data sets are still available) their medical insurance and have to discontinue treatment at ALL levels of treatment (in the US) during treatment. That was 20 years ago. NOW??? They have the stats for what state insurance will not pay for, so there’s only partial treatment allowed, with the chemo & surgeries at the lowest bid, instead of the most effective/best drugs & surgeries. The numbers are ALL there. What docs SAY to patients are the less than 20% of people (then and now) who still receive the best care, instead of McCare, or discontinued care. You have to TELL your provider you’ve worked in med -so are threatening them with your own research, and switching providers, as if you’re in the golden circle, but prepared to drop to shite so you NEED to know, to make the best choices moving forward (like selling your home to stay on good insurance)- to get the real numbers.

Stats was my favourite subject because I was in love with the professor. I had to take it for my degree I didn’t volunteer, But she was a great teacher and it’s the subject I remember and use the most because it’s so helpful to understand how populations and the bell shaped curve works . Once you see it you can’t not see it and it’s applicable in so many situations .

 

[Friday]

Once you see it you can’t not see it

True that.

Which makes understanding WHY Stats is a required class.

But it’s a blessing/Curse to have taken it.

Pulls back the curtain, I suppose? Saving a trip to Oz?