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How many letters are shared by the name "trump" and the vegetable "turnip";)
These are from a fictional town in Britain, trapped forever in the 1970s, an unbelievably grim time to be in Britain. I wonder if the present time will be remembered in the same way? Condemned to having the trump years re running on an endless loop:unsure:
Vegetable politicians
Scarfolk Council: Vegetable Politicians
And confirmation bias goggles
Scarfolk Council: Confirmation Bias Goggles (1970)
These are from a fictional town in Britain, trapped forever in the 1970s, an unbelievably grim time to be in Britain. I wonder if the present time will be remembered in the same way? Condemned to having the trump years re running on an endless loop:unsure:
Vegetable politicians
Scarfolk Council: Vegetable Politicians
And confirmation bias goggles
Scarfolk Council: Confirmation Bias Goggles (1970)
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Now that you've mentioned it, he *does* remind me of a turnip (or is it a parsnip, I confuse them).
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Perhaps some of you can help me with this. In April, various groups (Oath Keepers, Freedom Keepers, Proud Patriots etc), the majority of which are based out of state, descended upon my "Liberal Oppressor" city (no, not Portland, the other one). This "protest" was specifically scheduled during the hours of our downtown farmers market, which subsequently was cancelled (first time in 20 years I believe) due to anticipated violence. For me personally, this resulted in the following:
1. No Vegtables
2. A complete and utter failure to recognize the moniker "free speech" as anything other than racist, xenophobic, sexist etc HATE SPEECH that is actually is.
3. Due to literally 5 hours of helicopter activity and sirens, my ptsd symptoms went into overdrive and I wound up medicated, and wearing noise cancelling headphones in a dark room.
I read yesterday that another, (deliberately meant to provoke) is planned for August 27, a "No to Marxisim in America!" rally.
1. What?
2. WTF?!
3. Seething anger re: "free speech" and its current definition.
4. Will go out of town.
1. No Vegtables
2. A complete and utter failure to recognize the moniker "free speech" as anything other than racist, xenophobic, sexist etc HATE SPEECH that is actually is.
3. Due to literally 5 hours of helicopter activity and sirens, my ptsd symptoms went into overdrive and I wound up medicated, and wearing noise cancelling headphones in a dark room.
I read yesterday that another, (deliberately meant to provoke) is planned for August 27, a "No to Marxisim in America!" rally.
1. What?
2. WTF?!
3. Seething anger re: "free speech" and its current definition.
4. Will go out of town.
Tornadic Thoughts
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What the heck did the vegetables do to deserve to be tossed in among the political drama? :eek: lol
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Veggies have long been involved in political drama! Lol. Farmers markets actually have a the right to block city streets to occur because of the same constitutional principles that allow protests to occur. Some were attually started in the 1950s in order to stop folks who were cruising down the stress and racing... sadly, gathering to sell veggies has never been free of politics.
On a personal level, I totally get the outrage and distress. I rather have a farmers market in my own city than mass protest against Marxism any day. But that's my personal preference.
The US constitution protects the right of the "people peaceably to assemble." (
First Amendment). To sell veggies or express an opinion.
But not riot.
Our Supreme Court has long held that even the KKK have the right to march in the streets --- but not to light fires or kill people.
What I will write next, is to explain some of the thinking behind protests from groups on the right - it is NOT a statement of agreement.
There is a battle happening in the Democrat party in California about those who want to turn to socialist systems or not. From a left leaning media source: Link Removed
Marxism is complex, but in a nutshell, it's a brand of socialism and most every day folks on the right understand just this about it: "Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange." (What is Marxism)
For some people on the right, they see calls for single payer healthcare (which is happening in numerous states) as government control of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, of the healthcare industry. They know most people in the US agree Marxism is bad... so for some, they feel it's time to say "no Marxism." (Is single payer healthcare *actually* Marxist? Not necessarily.)
In my own area, I've had huge protests go right by my apartment -- the women's march and others for and against Trump and various causes. Do the protests mean to provoke? Well, I think most people who march do want to provoke thought and change. Why else march?
A few, on both sides, want to provoke violence and that's not protected speech. That's wrong.
It stinks to have to deal with such marches, and they trigger my symptoms too - but I rather find places to get away from the crowds and etc, than to take away the right to peaceably assemble, no matter how provoking the topic. A cause can actually lose support when it disrupts too much. It can also gain a lot of support when it's peaceful. MLK Jr knew that the marches he lead (which also shut down city streets) HAD to be non-violent because they would be televised and photographed and if the American people saw violence against *peaceful* protesters, it would help persuade the American people to finally support change and passing the Civil Rights Act.
When the women's march against Trump happened this year, I knew of trump supporters who threatened to run them over claiming that it was delaying ambulances from getting to hospitals.
Running people over is murder or attempted murder and absolutely wrong.
I'll agree that protests that shut down highways and city events, even long held farmers markets, is concerning. Anything that puts life in danger goes over the line.
The constitution doesn't allow us to block a protest or assembly based on the ideas of the group.
When people no longer feel as though they can be heard through peaceful means, they don't disappear. They get violent. The constitution does not protect violence. It does protect people assembling and marching for whatever crazy idea they want to express.
On a personal level, I totally get the outrage and distress. I rather have a farmers market in my own city than mass protest against Marxism any day. But that's my personal preference.
The US constitution protects the right of the "people peaceably to assemble." (
First Amendment). To sell veggies or express an opinion.
But not riot.
Our Supreme Court has long held that even the KKK have the right to march in the streets --- but not to light fires or kill people.
What I will write next, is to explain some of the thinking behind protests from groups on the right - it is NOT a statement of agreement.
There is a battle happening in the Democrat party in California about those who want to turn to socialist systems or not. From a left leaning media source: Link Removed
Marxism is complex, but in a nutshell, it's a brand of socialism and most every day folks on the right understand just this about it: "Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange." (What is Marxism)
For some people on the right, they see calls for single payer healthcare (which is happening in numerous states) as government control of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, of the healthcare industry. They know most people in the US agree Marxism is bad... so for some, they feel it's time to say "no Marxism." (Is single payer healthcare *actually* Marxist? Not necessarily.)
In my own area, I've had huge protests go right by my apartment -- the women's march and others for and against Trump and various causes. Do the protests mean to provoke? Well, I think most people who march do want to provoke thought and change. Why else march?
A few, on both sides, want to provoke violence and that's not protected speech. That's wrong.
It stinks to have to deal with such marches, and they trigger my symptoms too - but I rather find places to get away from the crowds and etc, than to take away the right to peaceably assemble, no matter how provoking the topic. A cause can actually lose support when it disrupts too much. It can also gain a lot of support when it's peaceful. MLK Jr knew that the marches he lead (which also shut down city streets) HAD to be non-violent because they would be televised and photographed and if the American people saw violence against *peaceful* protesters, it would help persuade the American people to finally support change and passing the Civil Rights Act.
When the women's march against Trump happened this year, I knew of trump supporters who threatened to run them over claiming that it was delaying ambulances from getting to hospitals.
Running people over is murder or attempted murder and absolutely wrong.
I'll agree that protests that shut down highways and city events, even long held farmers markets, is concerning. Anything that puts life in danger goes over the line.
The constitution doesn't allow us to block a protest or assembly based on the ideas of the group.
When people no longer feel as though they can be heard through peaceful means, they don't disappear. They get violent. The constitution does not protect violence. It does protect people assembling and marching for whatever crazy idea they want to express.
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Tornadic Thoughts
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Right...I get it...I was commenting more about Trump being compared to turnips and such. The veggies can't protest, so I thought I'd speak up for them. lol
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It's an insult to turnips! Lol. I follow ya. ;) :)
In the western world these days it is so easy to isolate ourselves from views that do not match ours. Our Facebook pages, news streams, smartphones, etc. feed us information that matches our world view. Thier algorithms drive a wedge between us. Everything becomes 'me and people like me' versus 'everyone else'.
Here is a just released TED talk with three ideas for moving from me to we.
https://www.ted.com/talks/rabbi_lord_jonathan_sacks_how_we_can_face_the_future_without_fear_together
Here is a just released TED talk with three ideas for moving from me to we.
https://www.ted.com/talks/rabbi_lord_jonathan_sacks_how_we_can_face_the_future_without_fear_together
Tornadic Thoughts
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I enjoyed that, @Deadman . Thanks for sharing.
Finding a healthy balance of helping others and helping self was (and still can be) the tricky part for me. So many dynamics surround it. Healthily helping vs. simply carrying on vicious cycles of a poorly scripted past based on poor information being taught, still, tripped me up big time, for a long time. Now that I've lived and created a totally different script, my definition of help has certainly changed.
I never had a healthy view of, or even a loving and thorough innerstanding of self, which made it hard to recognize my own needs while helping others, and also made me more susceptible to agreeing to what I perceived to be help from folks with what seemed like really good intentions wanting to "help" me be a part of their particular choice of we. It's been a long strange trip, that's for sure.
Simplicity and depth have been the keys for me, it seems, starting from the inside out first. My greatest methods of helping now include simply holding space for another, listening and engaging, helping to healthily empower if and when I can, share what I've learned to know as my truth as it relates to my struggles, and do what is within my abilities in the moment to help ease the suffering of other living beings, all of them, not just the humans.
Before, I considered helping others to include taxing myself by doing all I humanly could for everyone else I could every minute I could and collapsing at the end of the day, while steadily ignoring my own needs, and picked up where I left off the next day. After all, I'd been taught my whole life that the more you do for others, the more will come back to you. Imagine my surprise at the returns I was getting vs. the returns I expected. Unlearning has become yet another favorite self, and other, help tool. One of the most necessary, actually.
Finding a healthy balance of helping others and helping self was (and still can be) the tricky part for me. So many dynamics surround it. Healthily helping vs. simply carrying on vicious cycles of a poorly scripted past based on poor information being taught, still, tripped me up big time, for a long time. Now that I've lived and created a totally different script, my definition of help has certainly changed.
I never had a healthy view of, or even a loving and thorough innerstanding of self, which made it hard to recognize my own needs while helping others, and also made me more susceptible to agreeing to what I perceived to be help from folks with what seemed like really good intentions wanting to "help" me be a part of their particular choice of we. It's been a long strange trip, that's for sure.
Simplicity and depth have been the keys for me, it seems, starting from the inside out first. My greatest methods of helping now include simply holding space for another, listening and engaging, helping to healthily empower if and when I can, share what I've learned to know as my truth as it relates to my struggles, and do what is within my abilities in the moment to help ease the suffering of other living beings, all of them, not just the humans.
Before, I considered helping others to include taxing myself by doing all I humanly could for everyone else I could every minute I could and collapsing at the end of the day, while steadily ignoring my own needs, and picked up where I left off the next day. After all, I'd been taught my whole life that the more you do for others, the more will come back to you. Imagine my surprise at the returns I was getting vs. the returns I expected. Unlearning has become yet another favorite self, and other, help tool. One of the most necessary, actually.
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And now we have Donny Jr and his emails that were just released about meeting with a Russian lawyer affiliated with Higerups in Putins hierarchy. Ok, so how many now have had contact with Russians??? 4,5,6?????? How many more do we need to connect the dots.. The Republicans are saying "Nothing Burgers" and the Democrats are saying, Impeach, article 25, and more investigations needed. It just makes me want to bang my head against the wall repeatedly till I get an answer.
The other thing.... I watched a program the other night. 20 years of Trump. Chris Mathews did this. He has interviewed Trump about 10 times over the last 20 yrs. watching it, I was amazed that in the beginning of the interviews, Trump was articulate, well versed, well informed, and his speech was very well put together. Fast forward to recent interviews and what I saw was Trump, struggling with holding a thought, skipping from one thing to another, repeating the same thing over and over, and he just seems to be all over the place. I know he's 71 and this was over the last 20 yrs, and people have mental decline, but this was soooooooo. In your face kind of thing... I'm wondering if he's had some kind of mental decline from whatever, Just very obvious that he isn't all there!!!!
I will leave it at that, because I could go into what I really think, but getting thread banned isn't something I'm up for...
The other thing.... I watched a program the other night. 20 years of Trump. Chris Mathews did this. He has interviewed Trump about 10 times over the last 20 yrs. watching it, I was amazed that in the beginning of the interviews, Trump was articulate, well versed, well informed, and his speech was very well put together. Fast forward to recent interviews and what I saw was Trump, struggling with holding a thought, skipping from one thing to another, repeating the same thing over and over, and he just seems to be all over the place. I know he's 71 and this was over the last 20 yrs, and people have mental decline, but this was soooooooo. In your face kind of thing... I'm wondering if he's had some kind of mental decline from whatever, Just very obvious that he isn't all there!!!!
I will leave it at that, because I could go into what I really think, but getting thread banned isn't something I'm up for...
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Socialism? "We" will INDEED be called out as socialism regardless of what it actually is......thereby having the opposite effect given how much people hate even the mention of socialism.
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