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My biggest concern is the untrue things that are being flung around in the echo chamber's...like the internet and 24/7 news cycles and other social media...might start a sequence towards war and social unrest. Or more war and social unrest.

Where do the really 'busy' ppl go for facts now days?
 
I tend to ask people lots of questions. I have an acquaintance, who has been going off on Facebook about the homeless problem. What he is saying is often not fact based. He has posted some articles, which are all Op Ed pieces. So, I just keep asking him questions. Have you fact checked those articles? What sources do you get your information? Do you look at sources from multiple sources/viewpoints? Have you talked to homeless people? And then I did throw some stats about homeless folks up there, but I left it at that. Honestly, when I engage, my intent is not to change the entrenched person's mind. That's almost impossible and usually takes time and multiple interactions. What I am hoping is to add another voice to the conversation, so anyone else reading and or listening can hear an alternate view. That's why I make an effort to be non-combative so the silent listeners don't think I'm being reactive or unreasonable.

After some of my conversations, on Facebook, with the rant about homeless guy, I noticed someone else engaged with him. And then several others did. I was happy to see that, because until then he'd only gotten agreement. Again, he seems to be living in the echo chamber so I doubt his opinion will change and it certainly won't change quickly but others are hearing (well reading) other points of view backed by stats and reliable sources.
 
There is a serious homelessness problem in the Detroit area. I know because I work part-time in that area. The tricounty metro area has one of the highest homeless rates in the US with 20,000+ homeless served counted in Detroit shelters and our warming center; this does not include those who were unsheltered. We have a rough estimate because once a year a team of people goes out to find and count them.
 
There is a serious homelessness problem in the Detroit area

But yet Tiny homes are being outlawed and some very tiny homes but had roofs, 4 walls, a bed etc taken from homeless only to be distroyed. But, yet, it's illegal to sleep under a bridge? And I hear they are trying to make homeless illegal? How can you make me not being able to pay bills illegal exactly? Idiots! Let the damn homeless keep their tiny homes! Damn!
 
Building codes and fire hazards and sanitation and plague.

The laws going into urban planning are built on the ashes of the deaths of millions.

Doesn’t mean a lot of the laws aren’t politics and bullshit and NIMBY, but it also doesn’t mean we can have two sets of laws... one for people who can afford it, and the others for poor people.
 
Doesn’t mean a lot of the laws aren’t politics and bullshit and NIMBY, but it also doesn’t mean we can have two sets of laws... one for people who can afford it, and the others for poor people

I totally get that. But, then, what's the solution? Distory the tiny home, make sleeping under a bridge illegal, and not increase shelter size? I see many solutions such as increasing shelter size. Or, there was a community of tiny homes made into a community for the homeless. They were to be clean, dressed nice, drug free, tested, and in drug/alcholol meetings, mental health and recidivism counseling, and then a required working in the same community which allows them to build themself up, in order to live in said homeless tiny house community. That's a solution. What's not a solution is taking away their tiny houses just to distory it, tell them they can't legally be homeless but not help them find jobs or affording housing and drug/alcholol counseling as well as mental health and recidivism counseling, and not increase the shelters/shelter size and really do jack all to help them in anyway. Just saying "you can't sleep under a bridge and you cant have this tiny house and I'm sorry but the shelters are full" isn't a solution!
 
I wasn't ready to share this, but what the hell, I was going to share eventually.
*Deep breath* I am currently living in a homeless shelter in the Detroit area.

We moved cross country for my in-laws and the arrangements we had set up fell through, infact we found out just as we had crossed into the Michigan border after driving nearly 2,000 miles.

Ended up sleeping in our car for a few weeks before room opened up in a shelter. We lost practically everything. Including our pets. It was terrifying trying to figure out where it was safe to sleep. Ended up having a major break down after I woke up to someone staring into our car window while I slept. Hospital parking garages aren't bad if any one ever needs that info.

The thing is we don't fit the typical sterotype of the homeless. My husband is a teacher on the path of getting licensed to be a principal soon. Most people here have jobs. They are single moms who couldnt get daycare and nurses whose whose car problems meant a temporary loss in wages. More than one blind person who couldn't get the appropriate help. A truck driver who made a tough choice because he didn't want to miss the birth of his child, and an employer who didn't care, a couple who have just had bad luck with renting due to things like the discovery of lead paint... Credit issues are the biggest reason. We have a broken lease and landlords can afford to be picky even if you have the money.

On the bright side I have met some amazing people, including the sweetest elderly couple whose only crime is not being able to make it on social security.
Getting to know them has made it all worth it. They have been the closet thing I have ever had to parents. Biggest hearts I have ever seen, aside from here;)
 
I wasn't ready to share this, but what the hell, I was going to share

Aww! I'm glad you did! :hug:s.

Hospital parking garages aren't bad if any one ever needs that info

Yes! Thank you! I'm still preparing to be homeless and soaking up every bit of info I can

nurses whose whose car problems meant a temporary loss in wages

Oh god do I feel that person there!

More than one blind person who couldn't get the appropriate help.

And this one. This country prides itself on help for the disabled but man am I finding the opposite. So many slammed doors in my face that suicide seems viable opinion since I cant seem to get help. PTSD has been because I wasn't a veteran (that's what I was told) and or that an injury is the same ("were you injured in combat"). It seems that just an injury that is causing severe chronic pain and severe mobility challenges isn't enough. And then my age has also played a factor which is sad as there are many disabled children.

It's disheartening that I live in the US and cannot find help. Mostly being told that I make too much for assistance even though my rent is a grand a month. $14.25 an hour looks way less when you consider that but help doesn't want to consider that. I make too much for affordable housing (they have a max wage and I'm over the max already). Its sad that this country, in my opinion and experience, doesn't give a flying f*ck about you and your challenges. Even though Florida seems to pride itself on homeless prevention. Sorry, not what I've found. How can you say that but deny someone that has a very real poasibilty of becoming homeless?

I am sure I will get a lot of push back on this but this is my opinion based on my experience of calling a ton of places for help for a variety of things from rental assistance (a grant given to help you pay part of your rent every month), car assistance and car charities, affordable housing, amoung other things and each and everyone of those things I was denyed even though I'm drowning. Just sharing my experience of despreately reaching out for help and being told "we can't help you".
 
What's not a solution is taking away their tiny houses just to distory it,
It’s not a solution to homelessness... it’s a solution for slums, which are big ticket problems for cities... again, countless deaths.

And not just in the slums themselves, which some people would count as an acceptable loss, because fire spreads, illness spreads like wildfire, groundwater is contaminated, If the tiny homes and the land they were on were all up to code? There wouldn’t be the legal ability to tear them down, any more than any other legally held & used property, nor likely any reason to. Including snobbery, or jealousy, which has more weight to it than a lot of things.

In point of fact, many cities are building these communities, and even spending a couple hundred thousand a year supplying water, power, sewer, & garbage to them.

https://charterforcompassion.org/pr...he-homeless-an-affordable-solution-catches-on

https://www.curbed.com/maps/tiny-houses-for-the-homeless-villages

Homelessness is a huge complex problem.

One of the things mentioned in the second article is that some cities are paying the utilities for these communities ... That’s a HUGE boon ...to the total of a couple hundred thousand a year. The water bills in my city are more than the rent in yours, our rent is about double, and our minimum wage a little more than half. Social services? Are TAPPED. Those relief agencies you mentioned? Here you have to already be homeless AND without assets (no car, no job, nothing you could reasonably be expect to sell (ie do you have furniture worth more than $20), etc.) to even get on the waiting list for emergency assistance. Which can take a couple years. At which point you find out food stamps for 2 people are only $12 a month (WIC is decent, but that’s a federal program, not a local one). Because every last dollar is stretched to breaking, and the food program is broke. Meanwhile A lot of people are working a second, or third job just to pay their utility bills. So the city goes and pays the water bill for one small slice of its poor? :O_o: Starts making people struggling with constant shut offs, or paying more than half their salary in taxes being asked to pay even more taxes, pretty pissed off. I don’t see this project lasting very long in my city.

You know what’s more cost effective than 50 tiny homes? 1 hotel. That’s another solution that many cities have been using for years. Double or triple the occupancy, less than half the ongoing cost & upkeep. Sometimes less than 1/10th or less than 1/100th depending on who’s operating it. We have the numbers very solid there, because they’ve been used for halfway homes for decades as they’re Uber cheap to operate.

So why don’t we have more hotels for the homeless? Most homeless people won’t live there, when our city has tried pilot systems. Why? Because the prison system has been operating the existing ones, and the standards they keep are too low for anyone not already institutionalized to accept. :bored:

It wouldn’t actually cost much more to increase the standard of living to a point someone wouldn’t rather live on the street than come inside out of the cold. Certainly a lot less than paying the water & power bill for a community a fraction of the size. But as soon as fresh paint starts going up? And stank stained infested carpet gets pulled out... all of a sudden it becomes a “viable” property, and the city sells it to developers. :banghead: Every. Single. Time. More than a dozen times in the past 10 years.

None of this does more than scratch the surface of the ongoing homeless problem.

Even solutions that sound simple? Aren’t.

A lot of it breaks down to being a capitalist society instead of a socialized one.
 
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So why don’t we have more hotels for the homeless? Most homeless people won’t live there,

Yep, a totally doable solution and I would live in a hotel provided for me. I think, like @Fadeaway has experienced, most homeless are good, decent, clean, professional people that are just down on their luck or can no longer afford a grand or more in rent while wages are very low.

Composing toliets are a viable solution that most have in tiny homes. Either way, there needs to be more assistance. Homeless prevention is an amazing solution if the f*cking people will actually assist.

@Fadeaway, I totally forgot to mention Walmart as a parking place. Most Walmarts will allow overnight parking. Black out window coverings, and BLM land is free if it's near someone. 14 day rule generally applies then you have to move 25 miles for 14 days or 30 days. One of the two. Been researching nomatic life. A lot of good info there.

ETA: I want to add that putting a bag in a 5 gallon bucket, putting a pool noodle on it to be able to sit on it or buy a lugable loo if you want to or just the seat to snap on any 5 gallon bucket and throwing the bag in the dumpster is completely safe. As well as urinating in a bottle (I'd use a laundry bottle so its not see through and easier to use) and dumping it on the grass is. You bag your dog's feces and throw it in the dumpster don't you? And that same dog pees on the grass doesn't it? Sewage really isn't an issue in something like a tiny home or a home on wheels such as a bus, van, or car or someone living under a bridge/outside/abandoned structure. Use saw dust, dirt, leaves, or even kitty litter in the bag and it's even better.

Or, if you're on BLM land or just away from populated areas (don't do this in a populated area) you can bury it.

ETA: Also, to add, I would NEVER want to cause higher taxes or any increase in the amount others have to pay just to fund my living. I want a hand up, not a hand out and I think most homeless want the same. I proposed to these charities for me to pay off that help with online work. An abled bodied homeless can physically work. Like habitat for humanity does. But, they refused. I offer to work off any assistance and they refused. That is also a solution.
 
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