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What Are You Feeling Today? Not Thinking, Rather Feeling! Can You Identify Yours?

Feeling better physically. Migraine has subsided to a regular headache that I can handle,
Feeling like it is time to feel better emotionally too. One should follow the other, right?

Feeling thankful to have both my girls home.
 
Feeling unsure about calling my mother for mothers day? She has told my brother that she can't be bothered with me after the last time I visited her, where she spent the whole time bitching about my father and all I did was lay my boundaries down with her and ask her to not bitch about him to me, seeing as I paid money to fly all the way across the country to see her.​

She started yelling, and provoked a fight between us which I did my best to not buy into but eventually lost it at her and started yelling back...then she pulled the meds card on me "Have you taken your meds today" in a really snarky voice. I ended up sleeping at the airport all night and got a flight home the next day rather than spend another day with her...and she has gone and told my brothers that I was the one who was horrible, and she can't be bothered with me...so I'm more than a little reluctant to call her for mothers day but Iknow if I don't I will never hear the end of it from my brothers, who take her side.​

She is really manipulative and passive-aggressive and always manages to get everyone else to pass on messages to me or try and make me feel bad on her behalf. She's roped me in to getting mad at her brother over an issue a while back, and I really got stuck into him...when I didn't even know the full story.​

My brother is with her now in Brisbane, spoiling her, but I really don't feel like she even deserves a call after the way she's behaved and made me look to them. I know I am being stubborn, and a part of me really wants to talk to her, because i really miss her, but not when she plays all these f*cked up games and makes me the scapegoat...again. I feel bad for hesitating to call her, but our conversations never go very well anyway.​

I don't know what to do?​

Any suggestions would be much appreciated...​
 
Any suggestions would be much appreciated...
Philippa, I can only talk from my personal experience and the best thing I did was stop trying. I wasn't going to get approval no matter what I did, I would more often than not end up feeling bad, enough was never enough and I tried and tried and tried.

I would drive for 6 hours to see my mum and after an hour would make any excuse I could to turn around and drive all the way back home. I missed her but it just didn't work when I saw her.

She told me that unless I had an hour to talk to her on the phone each time we spoke to not bother calling. I told her I would just prefer to ring her discuss the news and keep it happy and light conversation. I couldn't take the lectures anymore. She chose not to compromise; I chose not to call as, after talking to people on the phone all day, I couldn't stand another hour at night with an included lecture.

I got to the point where I realized that the only way to release myself from the pain was to accept my mum for who she is. I had to respect she does not have the capacity to be who I want her be (it is not fair of me to make her change) and accept having contact with her always involved a cost - the price being my happiness.

I found peace in letting go. If my mum really wants to contact me and come to a compromise she knows where I am and how to contact me. She doesn't, I accept that and I do it with love as being in a relationship with her, in the way it was, was destroying me.

My choice was to continue or to set it free. I chose to miss my mum as that is less painful than continuing the negative relationship.
 
Philippa, I can only talk from my personal experience and the best thing I did was stop trying. I wasn't going to get approval no matter what I did, I would more often than not end up feeling bad, enough was never enough and I tried and tried and tried.

Thankyou nicolette. The details are different but I think we have similar situations in that the bottom line is that it just doesn't work between us and our mothers, and it's ok to acknowledge that. I don't want to live a phony life where I pretend to get along with her when I don't. She is happy with that, but it's not that way for me. I want honest relationships with people, even if that hurts at times to hear things I don't want to hear. I can't say anything honest to my mother because she prefers to live a lie...as I see it.

I would drive for 6 hours to see my mum and after an hour would make any excuse I could to turn around and drive all the way back home. I missed her but it just didn't work when I saw her.

Yes, this sounds very similar. It's just such a shame. I always wanted us to be good friends, but the reality is we probably never will be. It's just sad.

She told me that unless I had an hour to talk to her on the phone each time we spoke to not bother calling. I told her I would just prefer to ring her discuss the news and keep it happy and light conversation. I couldn't take the lectures anymore. She chose not to compromise; I chose not to call as, after talking to people on the phone all day, I couldn't stand another hour at night with an included lecture.

Making ultimatums like that is just unacceptable to me, and if my mother ever said that to me that would be it! I can fully understand why you would choose not to call. People who lecture don't realize how much they make people run the other way. I lived with a man who did this, and it was just so off putting...people who think they know it all.

I got to the point where I realized that the only way to release myself from the pain was to accept my mum for who she is. I had to respect she does not have the capacity to be who I want her be (it is not fair of me to make her change) and accept having contact with her always involved a cost - the price being my happiness.

Yes, I came to the same conclusion a while ago, but sometimes I forget and fall back into this emotional place of just needing her so much. I've done it all on my own without any help from her and no attempts to see me or be with me during my illness. She supported her friends through their hardships and just abandoned me through mine and even blamed ME for not supporting HER enough when her mother died, when I did all I could do. I was clinically depressed, and SHE'S MY mother, I'm not HER mother.

I found peace in letting go. If my mum really wants to contact me and come to a compromise she knows where I am and how to contact me. She doesn't, I accept that and I do it with love as being in a relationship with her, in the way it was, was destroying me.

My choice was to continue or to set it free. I chose to miss my mum as that is less painful than continuing the negative relationship.

I just wish she wouldn't say things like "can I have your number" when she never calls anyway? Why ask for my number when she never calls? Is it just to have it in her phone so she can let me knwo that even though she has my number she isn't going to call me. More and more I vacillate between wanting her to and getting pissed when she doesn't after months and months and then being happy that she isn't calling, so I can have some peace and only have people who actually support me in my sphere.

I can see where you are coming from. I miss her a lot, and some days I just cry out for her inside...and need her so much, but she's proven she isn't capable of being there for me when I need her, and if truth be told she isn't very good at getting her own needs met, so it's unrealistic for me to even expect her to meet my needs. I need to meet my own needs and parent myself, and I do the best I can, but sometimes I just want her to show me she gives a damn about me, instead of the silent treatment I grew up with, She has no idea how much it hurts me, and if I tried to tell her she would just say I was being ridiculous or get defensive.

I know its up to me to communicate with her in a way that she won't react defensively, so not to attack her...and I do my best, but it's so hard, it just seems better to just let her go. I know my brothers don't understand, and they judge me quite harshly for not calling her, or going to see her (my brother is spoiling her rotten right now and flew up to see her, but she treats them differently to how she treats me, and they've never understood that. It's just frustrating because I end up looking like the bad daughter, and copping lectures from my YOUNGER brothers when they are the biggest assholes who at times treated us all terribly, but project their bad behavior onto me.

I feel hurt. I want to call her, but I don't want to call her.

it's just nutty.

But thanks, it helped to hear from you and to vent a little.
 
She has told my brother that she can't be bothered with me after the last time I visited her, where she spent the whole time bitching about my father and all I did was lay my boundaries down with her and ask her to not bitch about him to me, seeing as I paid money to fly all the way across the country to see her.​

I ended up sleeping at the airport all night and got a flight home the next day rather than spend another day with her...and she has gone and told my brothers that I was the one who was horrible, and she can't be bothered with me...so I'm more than a little reluctant to call her for mothers day but I know if I don't I will never hear the end of it from my brothers, who take her side.​

She is really manipulative and passive-aggressive and always manages to get everyone else to pass on messages to me or try and make me feel bad on her behalf. She's roped me in to getting mad at her brother over an issue a while back, and I really got stuck into him...when I didn't even know the full story.​

My brother is with her now in Brisbane, spoiling her, but I really don't feel like she even deserves a call after the way she's behaved and made me look to them. I know I am being stubborn, and a part of me really wants to talk to her, because i really miss her, but not when she plays all these f**ked up games and makes me the scapegoat...again. I feel bad for hesitating to call her, but our conversations never go very well anyway.​

I don't know what to do?​

Any suggestions would be much appreciated...​

Don't ring her she doesn't deserve it.

If your brothers say anything interrupt them and say "I am waiting for an apology!"

Or shift it back to your brother and say "You told me she couldn't be bothered with me so I was respecting her boundaries by not ringing her. You told me she couldn't be bothered with me, right?

Of course these would be great things to do and say and as a former family scapegoat I can understand if you can't do any of these things because I never could.

Take care of yourself.

I find it amazing that you set boundaries with your mother and then resisted being dragged in to an argument with her for some time. That is great progress. I just sat there and took it, which wasn't good for me.

It is so hard to be in the position that you are in.

ms spock
 
Daunted by a busy week ahead - must try not to think of the whole week, one day at a time, or even an hour or minute at a time.

Rested after 2 nights sleep with dreams (OK weird ones) but no nightmares.
 
I feel hurt. I want to call her, but I don't want to call her.

it's just nutty.

But thanks, it helped to hear from you and to vent a little.

I don't think that is nutty at all. I think it is the response of an adult woman, who has suffered greatly at the hands of her mother, trying to work out a solution in a lose/lose situation. Nothing you can do will make it right with her because of who and what she is. You have good insight about that.

Cheers,
ms spock
 
Don't ring her she doesn't deserve it.

Thankyou...that's totally how I feel, but I'm afraid I'm gonna get attacked for it, and will have to explain how i see it and that will not be received well. I really appreciate your empathy here. I'm feeling totally crap right now. So defeated.

If your brothers say anything interrupt them and say "I am waiting for an apology!"

Or shift it back to your brother and say "You told me she couldn't be bothered with me so I was respecting her boundaries by not ringing her. You told me she couldn't be bothered with me, right?

I did think of this yeah...that's a good one. I sent her an E-card earlier to express gratitude for all the things she has done for me in the past, and tried my best to remember what they are...but calling her is more than she deserves. I am just so angry that she turned this all around and made me out to be the rotten one to my brothers. She's been doing that for years and using them to make me feel bad and get to me. I'm so mad at both my parents for using my brothers to get to me, and poisoning their minds against me.

Of course these would be great things to do and say and as a former family scapegoat I can understand if you can't do any of these things because I never could.

They are great things to say. I think I could probably say the thing about "well you said mum couldn't be bothered with me,so...I was just respecting her boundaries". I like that a lot...I can say that to all of them if they try and throw it at me.

Take care of yourself.

I find it amazing that you set boundaries with your mother and then resisted being dragged in to an argument with her for some time. That is great progress. I just sat there and took it, which wasn't good for me.

I did take it for a long time, and then I just decided that it was my main goal to work on respecting myself more and learning to be more assertive and not let her f*ck with my head anymore or put her emotional blackmail bs on me anymore...I've asked her plenty of times in the past to stop bitching about dad to me...she just keeps doing it. I even said "you can go and pay a counsellor like I had to" and she actually said to me "But I have you for that" Those were her exact words. She has no problem whatsoever in using me as her personal dumping ground, but I'm supposed to feel bad about not letting her. She can f*ck right off!:mad:

It is so hard to be in the position that you are in.

ms spock

It really is...and I'm so grateful to you for acknowledging that. I feel so relieved that someone gets it, and is there for me, and isn't trying to make me feel bad or like it's my fault, or I'm rotten or bad for not feeling like she deserves my attention or the money it takes to call her. She's a dumb bitch, and she acts like I don't deserve HER! I hate her so much right now.
 
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Don't ring her she doesn't deserve it.​

Thankyou...that's totally how I feel, but I'm afraid I'm gonna get attacked for it, and will have to explain how i see it and that will not be received well. I really appreciate your empathy here. I'm feeling totally crap right now. So defeated.

The situation you are in is one of the worst someone can be in from my experience. It is soul destroying stuff.

That you can even try to set boundaries and think through it as clearly as you do is pretty amazing to me. I was never able to do the things that you are doing. Your clarity is impressive.

ms spock
 
If your brothers say anything interrupt them and say "I am waiting for an apology!"​

Or shift it back to your brother and say "You told me she couldn't be bothered with me so I was respecting her boundaries by not ringing her. You told me she couldn't be bothered with me, right?​

I did think of this yeah...that's a good one. I sent her an E-card earlier to express gratitude for all the things she has done for me in the past, and tried my best to remember what they are...but calling her is more than she deserves. I am just so angry that she turned this all around and made me out to be the rotten one to my brothers. She's been doing that for years and using them to make me feel bad and get to me. I'm so mad at both my parents for using my brothers to get to me, and poisoning their minds against me.

My mother poisoned my sisters and brothers against me. I was the problem for naming the sexual abuse and must be punished. I was one that brought shame on the family for talking out. Those siblings that were 13, 10, 10, 8, 7 were murdered by my mother. Those people stopped existing a long, long time ago.

I have, so far, never met siblings that have managed to work through this one. All I know it isn't going to happen with my siblings. And I still emotionally have problems accepting that as well. Even after everything they have done to me means that is really a position of deluded magical thinking.

When your parents have socialised you all to be in certain roles from when you are very young. It is like escaping from some type of cult. I would guess that your brothers probably won't ever see the dynamic. Which of course does the one in the scapegoat's position head in. It is so unfair.

Such cruelness - I don't know how we deal with this.

ms spock
 

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