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Childhood How Do You Cope Today ?

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Looks like I touched some nerves, please accept my apologies for that. I don't want to hear about people's sex lives, I'm interested how people cope with that what they had to experience as children.

My understanding of child abuse (either which type) is that as a child you are exposed to bad things that you just shouldn't be exposed to: violence, humiliation, sexual assault, neglect, psychological attacks ("you are a bad child, only because of you I'm so upset ...") ... and as the abuser is typically from the family you can't avoid it, can't walk away from it, can't defend yourself, are totally helpless and when you eventually have the guts to tell somebody about it (e.g. neighbor, teacher, etc.) they don't even believe you.

Now, all this is plain horror. But eventually you escape from it, you move away from your family and then it's over.

Not ...

It goes on. And kicks in all the time. Took me a long time to realize that my inner wounded child keeps screaming and causing trouble, in particular when I run into comparable situations as an adult. Being yelled at as an adult or being verbally attacked by your boss or being treated very rudely by a shop attendant or so is certainly still no fun. But as an adult you should be able to cope with it, you should be able to deal with it properly. Not that it was a piece of cake or any fun, but as an adult you should be able to handle it without getting too upset. But i have to admit very clearly that I'm really no good at it. Either I freeze up (like I did as an 8 year old), or I get too upset, too aggressive or sometimes even submissive. After such an incident it takes me a long time to forget about it or at least come to terms with it. Then again I often exaggerate, I consider a relatively small attack as a big attack and react like this. Often this causes "burned bridges" and I no longer talk to the Person in question. And ... I fear those situations and try to avoid conflicts, trying to make myself invisible.

I could go on and on, but needless to say, this really spoils a lot for me in my life. The same things Keep on Happening and I just want to find a way OUT of this mess. I'm slowly approaching my 50th birthday and if I don't come to terms with this any time soon my life will be over and it will have been a messed up one.

I've certainly tried to connect to people who made similiar experiences but they are hard to find and even here there seem not to be too many. And those few I met or talked to didn't have a solution, they are just experiencing the same problems as an adult. The good thing about it is, that it is a Little bit of relieve as I can see that I'm maybe not so much the whimp or loser that I think I am. But it still doesn't offer a solutiion.

So ... I've been around here for a couple of weeks and this is very helpful for me to see that I'm not alone with all this. I read a lot about people's experiences with sexual abuse. Luckily for me at least I didn't have to experience this. But of course I wonder how this affects people as adults and this could compare to me. And if people found solutions for it and if this might help me as well. But it certainly is a bit of shooting at the moon.

I hope this makes it a bit more clear If I have offended anybody with this question, then I am deeply sorry and want to apologize for it.

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Frank
 
I can see where you're coming from but do think you're comparing apples and pears. I also think that if you posted the middle part of your post, where you talk about the impact your abuse has had on your adult relationships, in a new thread with a clear title, you'd find a fair few people who would relate to that. I know I do and would be happy to talk about it.
 
I think conflict is a part of life, like it or not. Some folks seem to get a kick out of it, so avoid them like the plague. When you encounter it, or raised voices, or someone picking on you or irking you, the best thing to do if you can is to walk away from it. If that is not possible, then ignoring it might work. If that fails, then setting boundaries is a good practice, and if your boundaries are not respected, then you doing grounding techniques are a good idea. Mindfulness is a wonderful thing, look into it and use it liberally.
 
So you're trying to see if you can apply the same coping strategies people use for sex, if they have a normal sex life, to conflict?

It's called exposure therapy.

And, yes. It works for sex, conflict, crowds... triggers & stressors of all kinds :)

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Not retraumatization. Not repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results. But learning to respond a different way by by very slowly acclimatizing yourself, and chipping away at aspects of triggers and stressors. There are a whole lot of different ways to do it, but basically, you pick an aspect that bothers you and move up to it very slowly. Not so fast that you kick into the triggered response. But just barely have a bit of a response. And then back away. Come at it again. Back away. And again. And back away. Over time, you push the boundaries of a thing, until that aspect no longer triggers you. As you hit each aspect? The boundaries of the whole thing start shifting. Chip away at it piece by piece, until the whole is achieved.

To very roughly use sex as an example, since that's where your head is at, you wouldn't do exposure therapy for rape by being raped again. That's just new trauma. And, you wouldn't -typically- start exposure therapy for sex, by simply having sex. Or even by holding someone's hand. But even further back. Touch, for example. 1,000 different ways to experience touch. Find the ways touch feels wrong/bad/weird/yikes and come at those. Your own self. Completely in your own control. Not even talking about sexual touch. But things like normal touch & sensory experiences that still get a bit of a reaction, and going after those. How To Stop Sickness Caused By Memory Of Oral Rape?']Here[/URL] is where I talked about doing exposure therapy for oral sex. You'll note I started by doing things like brushing my teeth and talking with my mouth full. I didn't start by having oral sex. And oral sex? Is just a small piece of sex overall. Work on the small things that are components of bigger things.

Conflict? Is a really big, complicated thing. Break it down into smaller pieces. Then break those down into smaller pieces. Say, for example, sound as a part of conflict. Yelling. What can you do to do exposure therapy on yelling? 2 big pieces there; your own and someone else. For yourself, things like singing. Learning breath control, pitch, modulation. Being in control of yourself, 100% whether you're using the barest whisper or loudest projection. Okay where else can you learn control in yelling? Distance. Needing to shout to someone to be heard, discussing completely normal things, just very far apart... Hits 2 aspects. You yelling at someone, and someone yelling at you, so might want to save that one for a bit. Ditto cheering with others. People being loud because they're happy :) LOL Or because it's culturally okay to shout when cheering regardless of their emotional state ;) Meanwhile, other people yelling, is the other component. Find the places where other people yelling bothers you, but not enough to provoke a full on reaction. Whether it's kids playing at a playground, or people cheering. Start acclimatizing yourself there. Finding ways to play with your own responses. Until your responses start shifting.

Then keep doing that. If you lose your head during disagreements? Find places where disagreeing is okay, and practice those. Whether it's a debate club, or saying "no" when asked if you'd like sauce for your food. ((Actually, since a debate club involves other people? Back step that one. Watch other people debating. So that you can choose to watch the people doing it well, and shut it off if it descends into nonsense, or gets too triggery. Ditto, learn the styles of discourse & debate. Do all the stuff that is around a topic, that eases you into normalizing what you want to normalize. THEN add wild cards, like jointing a debate club, and practice arguing with others in a calm reasoned way.)) If tall men upset you more in conflict? Start spending time around tall men. Go to a basketball court and just watch them. If short women do? Spend time around ballet. If children arguing upsets you? Start spending time around kids who are well parented (they will still argue!). If you find you cannot move from debate & reasoned discourse & disagreement into "real" conflict? Try an acting class, where people's conflicts are scripted, and the conflict itself is just a scene to play. Ditto, if body language sets you off, learning how to use it to your advantage, like standing straight/relaxed/easy in the presence of real or scripted conflict, instead of retreating into a defensive or swelling into an aggressive stance.

If, if, if, if. Literally thousands of ways to start slowly chipping away at your triggers and stressors surrounding conflict, until you can wade cheerfully into just about any kind of conflict and wade back out, entirely at your own will.

This post is a must-read for Exposure Therapy. Link Removed It's mainly focused on trauma diaries, but the exact same principles are used for real life exposure therapy, also. In particular, MOOD management, & DARES, the art of a successful recovery.
 
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@FrankM - thanks much for your answer to my question.

Plenty of folks here had childhoods full of the kinds of neglect and verbal/psychological abuse you are describing.

It's not uncommon for people to troll sexual abuse sites/forums and ask for details about how people cope - not in order to share in recovery, but for their own sexual gratification and fantasies.

I don't think that's what you meant to do, but it's what you (nearly) did.

So, you are welcome here as a person addressing coping with and changing patterns of childhood neglect. But in the future, look for those more direct comparisons - lumping coping with childhood sexual abuse into coping with a shitty childhood isn't going to serve you, or anyone else.

I'm moving this thread to the childhood sub-forum and adding a link to your subsequent post inside of the original post, so people can respond more effectively.
 
@Suzetig: Ok, I will create a new post with my personal experiences and see if and how people relate. Will be probably a longer post, so it might take a few days.

@SheilaKathy: Yes, this is exactly my point: conflict is part of life, like it or not. Just like fear, anger, sadness, or just any kind of trouble. It wasn’t too long ago that read about the „Inner Child Theory“ (John Bradshaw and others) and that made me realize that I react to conflicts rather as a child than as an adult. And my goal is basically now to „grow up“ and handle conflicts like an adult should do. And everything else as well.

@FridayJones: thank you so much. I think for first time ever now I understand what CBT and exposition therapy is. A while ago I did self defense class to expose myself to being attacked. It did help to a certain degree, but not as much as I had hoped for. Now I understand why and I will think about where I have to go back to and try to start from there. Thank you tons for this phantastic explanation !!!

@All: thanks all for your contribtutions and I’m sorry if I caused any trouble.
 
I see this person has been banned but I feel the need to say something.

This is the first post I've read that has made me want to throw up. Which says a lot given all I've read here on the forum.

Yes, I realize this is my own trigger issue, however I do not feel that it is appropriate for anyone who isn't a CSA survivor to be asking these questions of CSA survivors. I feel that it's incredibly invasive given that the nature of CSA is very different from other types of abuse.

I am not so sure about the OPs reasoning for asking as what he wants to know won't really give him the answers he states to be seeking IMHO.

I'd somewhat understand if the OP stated he's having sexual issues, but he doesn't. He's having non-sexual issues------so why the need to question the sex lives of CSA survivors?

Somethings rotten in the state of Denmark. :-/
 
Although I just recently started recovering memories of CSA, I have never been in an intimate relationship. I've only ever had one night stands, refused to have sex with the same person twice. When my one night stand would message me the next day or whenever, I would either ignore them or continue to lead them on only to ditch them for my own satisfaction. It made me feel powerful, like I was somehow winning and escaping their "tricks". Since recovering memories, I haven't had sex yet...
 
I should've read the entire post with clarity and the comments. I'm late on this thread and confused................oops. Sorry all!!!!!
 
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