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Prolonged Exposure Therapy For Ptsd?

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@coco9 The article linked has a far better explanation of the different kinds of..

OH! :bag:

I just reread your original post and I see what you wrote differently. I was generalizing it in my head like a total jackass. A therapist isnt going to
tell us all to go stand in crowds and then have oral sex if we go for exposure therapy. :facepalm:

I'll go on that link, thanks.
 
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Guys, i was talking with a trauma therapist on tumblr and it left me really confused. Quoting what she said
" Also, if your therapist specializes in complex trauma and BPD (which I assume they are if they are qualified to treat you), then I wonder why they would recommend PE, which is actually not recommended for CPTSD or BPD.Obviously, I don't know you and your doctor and therapist do and I'm glad that you trust them. But I can't endorse someone with your diagnoses getting PE, since a clinician who take someone who is dsyregulated and dissociative (which, by definition, someone with CPTSD and BPD is) and sending them home to listen to their trauma narrative alone every day is dangerous."

what do you think?
 
which is actually not recommended for CPTSD or BPD
That is correct, not as the primary treatment. You could use exposure therapy, which is not PE... but trying to treat complex trauma with PE would not go well. For some aspects that couldn't be treated by other means, then sure, you could try and treat a specific trauma element with PE, but it would be limited.

All trauma therapies have their time, place and relevance, and it is more common to have one primary treatment that works for you, and then other therapies may be added to treat minor aspects as required. There is no such thing as one therapy for total treatment.
 
I am finding that by doing exposures is really hard but very helpful to me.
 
That is correct, not as the primary treatment. You could use exposure therapy, which is not PE... but tryin...
Thank you!!
Well she doesnt really know me.
Ive been doing dbt for a year and i currently dont meet full criteria for bpd. Both my psychiatrists and therapist suggests to start PE as soon as im ready.
My therapist said she works with refugees with ptsd. Not with cptsd.
Im a bit worried now
 
If your shrink and therapist suggest PE, then you should listen to them, as they know your specific situation best, opposed to any discussion online for fleeting moments. PE is extremely good... and if you've done DBT for a year, then you should have grounding and relaxation in place to handle symptom spikes.

Listen to your treating physicians, is my advice... versus posting a few random words online, then getting feedback based on such limited information and time. If two treating professionals believe PE is the best method for you, then go with that and see what happens. EMDR is exposure, which many don't realise, and it is also a primary treatment for complex trauma. PE has the highest results for recovery, still to this day, of all PTSD treatments.

The thing with any trauma therapy is... once you actively engage your trauma, it doesn't matter which method you use, Pandora's box is then open and you have one direction only > through it.
 
Listen to your treating physicians, is my advice... versus posting a few random words online, then getting feedback based on such limited information and time. If two treating professionals believe PE is the best method for you, then go with that and see what happens.

I agree with Anthony; trust your own Ts. I've been reading a lot of the original research from trauma specialists about PE and other exposure therapies, including research by Edna Foa (the originator of PE), Maryléne Cloitre (who developed a 2-phase approach with skill-building then exposure therapy specifically for survivors of childhood abuse), and others who have looked at whether certain factors might make PE or other exposure therapies less successful. I find these journal articles at ResearchGate, the VA's National Center for PTSD, and The National Institute of Mental Health. I believe the conclusion is that the following factors do NOT automatically exclude someone from benefitting from PE: CSA or other childhood abuse and/or multiple, complex trauma; BPD; non-suicidal self-injury (NSSI); major depressive disorder (MDD); and survivors currently being treated for substance abuse. Suicidality is definitely a basis for exclusion, as is someone who is currently in an unsafe situation (eg, domestic violence), until those physical and emotional safety factors are effectively addressed. I think that the recommendation is to evaluate self-harm and severity of MDD/BPD, as well as time in recovery for substance abuse, to determine an individual's suitability for PE.


There is a high degree of comorbidity of BPD and PTSD (for many, due to childhood abuse and/or neglect), along with NSSI (not sure about the other factors.) Often, treatment for BPD and some of these other issues do not address underlying trauma, and vice-versa. I think it would be doing a number of people a huge disservice to simply say that PE is not appropriate due to these factors.


Mind you, I'm not a clinician (although I do have a psychology background), and I have some reservations myself about how PE is going to help me given the nature and multiplicity of my trauma history. That's why I did all this research! IMHO, I think that the two-phased approach: stabilization and skill-building, then exposure, seems best.


That is what we've done in my case. I don't have BPD, but I do have MDD along with PTSD, and I struggle with self-harm urges. I've been attending a skills group based on DBT skills (but which is not DBT group therapy), and working with my T, for 8+ months now (my PTSD "came back" with a vengeance about 10 months ago.) That, plus meds, plus a helluva lotta hard f*cking work on my part and tremendous support from my partner has gotten me to the point of being ready for PE (starting in October.)

For me, the single biggest factor is the strength of the therapeutic alliance: I trust my T, she sees me, she gets me, she is skillful and compassionate and insightful. She's also a post-doc, just 2 years out from getting her PhD in Counseling Psychology. All the other factors, plus my trust in the quality of the supervision and consultation she is receiving from more experienced trauma specialists, trumps everything else for me. She'll know how to push me if I'm shut down and detached, and how to pull me back and keep me from drowning in memories if I have awful flashbacks or start dissociating. I've seen a lot of therapists over the last 30+ years, including being part of 2 incest survivor support groups (4 months, then 1 year), and she is the only person I've ever trusted enough to tell "the details" to, to speak the unspeakable. She has reassured me that "no one will get left behind" (btw, I'm not DID, but I do dissociate), that "we will get to all the memories that are now bothering you, over time." She's not approaching this like she would someone with a simple phobia, or a single, adult trauma incident. I don't have to just pick 1 worst memory. That was enough to reassure me.

That said, I'm still terrified! We are going to go on a magic trauma ride together through hell in October, twice a week! Ugh! I'm still looking to others to hear their experience, from the perspective of multiple, child sexual abuse as the primary trauma addressed. But I no longer doubt that it's the right approach at this time.

I hope this was helpful. You might want to try looking at the research on sites I mentioned yourself (just google them, it won't let me post links). Good luck!
 
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