Dog In Crate 12 Hours, Is This Cruel?

[Deleted member 35133]

Pitbull isnt a breed. It makes up several breeds with even more temperments and energy level...

You asked if it was animal cruelty, I have worked with animals. It is not safe to leave your dog in a crate for the amount of hours you described. You asked a question. You got an answer. I was directing my concern for the dog, you are directing your anger at me. That is not your fault you are under a lot of stress with a job that requires you to be away from home for long hours. You asked, I said. There are many people, including animal wellness authority that would consider that many hours of crating to be animal abuse. Sometimes it hurts a lot to be prepared for the worst when you don't want someone to do that. Crating animals for hours on end has been proved unsafe time after time. You can be as angry as you want, but you said you had a problem. Some people have suggestions, most you don't want to take. If you have a problem you need to solve the problem end of it. That last sentence had everything to do with every situation you'll ever be in and nothing to do with only animals. We all go through hard times, so do our pets when we do. You posted because you had a problem. Your replies keep sounding like you don't really want to solve the problem. I suggest actually solving the problem. I have a similar breed with severe separation anxiety. shitting all over the house has nothing to do with separation anxiety, your dog can't get outside to use the bathroom. Yes I know how to crate a dog. I absolutely never under any circumstances crate them for 12 hours (or close to) straight. I gate off areas to the bathroom/kitchen where they can get into things that can harm them. Don't tell me I'm uneducated when I spent my life learning a lot more than one thing while I was going to school, and not just owning one dog and deciding I did and do everything right for them.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

I was directing my concern for the dog, you are directing your anger at me.

I wasn't angry. Therefore wasn't directing anger but rather was advising you that you are wrong and very uneducated. And your last post was directing anger at me.

I am not here to argue either. You are VERY uneducated about animals, for someone thay works for animals to think that a dog will eat it's shit in only 12 hrs in a crate is ridiculous and WRONG.

That is not your fault you are under a lot of stress with a job that requires you to be away from home for long hours.

So an 8 hour a day job is a job that requires long hours? 9 because of an hour lunch. That's long hours?

It wasn't my job. I had a therapist appointment that butted up against my job. So I would advise to read more carefully next time. I DO NOT work 12 hrs a day.

There are many people, including animal wellness authority that would consider that many hours of crating to be animal abuse.

Crate training takes advantage of your dog's natural instincts as a den animal. A wild dog's den is their home—a place to sleep, hide from danger and raise a family. The crate becomes your dog's den, where they can find comfort and solitude while you know they’re safe and secure (and not shredding your house while you're out running errands).

Dead Link Removed

Dogs are hard-wired by their genetic history to be den animals. A den is a small, safe, well-defined space. It is a place in which dogs feel instinctively safe. It is also a place that they instinctively avoid soiling. The combination of these two native traits are what make crate training, done in the right way, a kind and effective component in house-training your new puppy or dog.

Crate Training: The Benefits for You and Your Dog

I can keep going. Most sites limit the time of crating to 8 to 10 hrs at most. He is only in there 10 hrs in the day. This was ONE day. I also found a solution so he was NOT in there for 12 hrs. However, since he is already used to 10 hrs, 12 for ONE DAY isn't that big of a deal.

If your opinion is that crating is abuse, that is fine but that is your opinion and NOT fact.

Some people have suggestions, most you don't want to take.

What suggestions did i not take exactly?

You posted because you had a problem. Your replies keep sounding like you don't really want to solve the problem

Again, what exactly?

I suggest actually solving the problem.

No you didn't. Your first post, and this one, is spewing uneducated, judgemental, angry, untruth.

shitting all over the house has nothing to do with separation anxiety, your dog can't get outside to use the bathroom

Are you a vet? Because my vey says it is 100% seperation anxiety and if it due to not being able to get outside he would shit in the crate and he has NEVER gone to the bathroom in there. So your "eating his own excrement" bullshit in your first post was just that, made up bullshit.

Yes I know how to crate a dog.

Really? Boy, you have me fooled on that one.

I gate off areas to the bathroom/kitchen where they can get into things that can harm them.

:roflmao: Thanks for that laugh! He actually tore my bathroom to pieces. But was completey ok in the crate. No harm to him or the crate.

Don't tell me I'm uneducated when I spent my life learning a lot more than one thing while I was going to school, and not just owning one dog and deciding I did and do everything right for them.

Sorry to tell you dear. I have volunteered with 3 seperate city animal welfares and 4 seperate animal rescues, and 8 seperate animal shelters. You are very uneducated.

Good day!

 

[Deleted member 35133]

You need to stop. Especially calling me uneducated. I have the college degree I have and far more. I have volunteered at animal shelters as much as anyone and yes, I have. I have been rescuing hard to raise breeds of dogs since I was 18 and I have a puppy right now that is pitbull mix, she's not being crated, she doesn't need to be. I supervise her to correct destructive behavior. Sitting there laughing at some isn't making you any more right. You asked if it was animal cruelty. No one is going to support you putting your dog in a cage for that many hours. You asked a question I told you the answer. You pitbull is a high energy breed of dog. so is my pitbull mix (um? yes.) so is my other dog. Of the four dogs I've owned and raised and the three I rescued myself since I turned 18 I never had to crate them past the age of six months except for travel. All dogs should be more or less house broken by six months. All my dogs were house broken and never need a crate again after a year. And yes I have rescued, kept, and raised difficult breeds of dogs. And yes breeds similar to yours. So don't tell me your bully is lazy because he take a nap. My grown bulldog takes a nap and will still go run four or five miles if he can get the chance. And he needs that. So don't call me uneducated when I'm not. Don't say I don't know what I'm talking about when I'm not. Crate training is for potty training. Not because you can't be anywhere near your dog for more than half the day. Everyone wants you to find an alternative solution.

 

[Deleted member 35133]

We suggest puppy day care, you say you can't do it. We suggest a neighbor check on your dog you seem to say you can't do it. You ask if crating your dog for 10-12 hours at a time on a regular basis is animal abuse and you're given the answer. You just don't like it. We all, for your dog's sake. Want you to find an alternative solution. Crating him that long is not appropriate.

 

[Silver.]

crates are not just for training, they become a comfort zone for a dog.

it seems you only log on to pick at others or post that you don't want people commenting or questioning you. what exactly is your purpose here other than to try and create hostility?

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Ignore is a wonderful tool to have!

Sorry but you come to MY thread spewing uneducated ridiculous nasty hateful junk and then fight to say you are right. I have no time for that! So ignored!

 

[Deleted member 35133]

So, I've been a bit AWOL lately, and it seems like this got all figured out okay, and I didn't read...

I just want to point out she's talking about crating for this amount of time (the way I understood the original post) almost daily. I'm really sorry I seem like the evil person here for feeling SO BAD that this dog has to spend ALL DAY in a crate when he would likely be much happier having a fenced outdoor area to run around, room to play with his toys while his owner is gone and an XXL size bed to streeeeetchhhhhh out on. So, I'm evil because, I want a dog to be happy. My help comes off as harsh because...people ask questions that have harsh answers. I'm not sorry that's harsh. I'm sorry that this dog might be crated something like 10-14 hours on a regular basis. But that's just what happens! Someone asks a question! They don't like the answer! they ask for advice! they can't take it!

 

[Deleted member 541]

@HelenaMallow No where in any of @lostforgottensoul post did she say that her dog would be crated for 14 hours. I really think you need to reread what has been written thoughly before making false statements.

 

[Deleted member 35133]

So a couple of things. You do not have to register a service dog (unless you live in my fair litt...

It's incredibly difficult to have your own pet registered as an official service dog. For one, some states (and other minor gov. orgs, etc.) generally only have service dogs that are bred to be service dogs. A huge reason that licensing and acquiring service dogs is because...essentially no one wants everyone and their brother with a disability bringing their emotional support dog into McDonald's...I do a lot (you guys don't know this because you don't know who I really am, but it doesn't matter) to spread service dog and also "unofficial service dog" & pet therapy awareness. Because...It's just part of some of the volunteer work I do for my community. It's really difficult to have a dog licensed for that. Even if they're likely very capable of passing some test or another for it...there's always more..

 

[Poofycat]

@lostforgottensoul I haven't used Rover myself but know a number of people who have. I almost used them once when I needed a dog walker on short notice, but was able to get an actual dog walking business to come in instead. I feel more comfortable using an actual dog walking business because it's a registered business and they have insurance in case anything happens. Plus it seemed less risky handing a key over to them instead of a random person on the internet. I definitely had misgivings with that aspect of hiring a dog walker. The one I hired was able to explain who exactly has access to the key, how it's stored and labeled, etc. which made me feel comfortable. It's definitely really weird to have a stranger come into my house while I'm not there and walk my dogs, but they were noticeably more mellow on days they came. Also, if you find the right walker, they should be able to enforce any training you're doing, and might be able to do group walks to help with the socialization you want to work on.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Thank you @Poofycat! Yeah, its scary giving a key over. The only way to hide it is to leave my porch unlocked and hide it in there. I dont want someone just to have a spare key to keep.

I will start looking for dog walking business.

 

[Deleted member 541]

I have keys and security codes for all about 90% of my customers homes. It's just as anxiety provoking for me going in their homes as you are anxious about handing over a key to someone or business. If it's a business then they would have strict guidelines in place for the key and the walker.

Hopefully you can find a reputable one and this works out.