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I'm actually quite interested to know who here has actually experienced sensorimotor therapy or somatic experiencing. I was recently referred to a place that particularly deals with trauma and this is what they're focusing on. It's more about focusing on the self and what we do in our bodies and they start from the bottom-up instead of cognitively top-bottom (head space). I'm curious as to what it is and how it works and has worked for you.
 
Body based therapy for resolving trauma is far more effective than top-down, cognitive-based therapy, no matter what anyone tells you. CBT (cognitive-based therapy) can be very helpful for dealing with certain aspects of behavior or anxieties, but it does not get to the roots of trauma. Those have to be resolved somatically. Especially with complex trauma. And it is hard. I have done some somatic experiencing therapy and it is very powerful. I've also done EMDR for some "small t" traumas, and that was quite helpful (EMDR is connected with somatic processing, but it is different from both sensorimotor therapy and somatic experiencing. If you're up for reading, Bessel Van der Kolk's book, The Body Keeps the Score is the best book out there on healing trauma, in my opinion. And Peter Levine, the founder of Somatic Experiencing, has many good books and a comprehensive website (www.traumahealing.org).
 
Body based therapy for resolving trauma is far more effective than top-down, cognitive-based therapy, no matter what anyone tells you.
That is not factual. Please cite your source for such statement.

Somatic therapy eludes that the mind and body are not separate and that by recognising and using what you feel to help process thoughts, adds an additional layer of healing and ease to the process.

Somatic Psychotherapy adds a significant dimension to verbal psychotherapy by including bodily experience as correlative, causative and caused by psychological experience. It is grounded in the belief that not only are thought, emotion and bodily experience inextricably linked (creating a bodymind), but also that change can be brought about in one domain of experience by mindfully accessing another.

Somatic experiencing is a quality therapeutic approach to healing trauma. It is not better than CBT based therapies, as it is still primarily CBT itself, though simply adds the additional component. EMDR is not somatic, EMDR is closer to exposure, being a CBT therapy.

Please cite facts when making such statements versus claiming something as fact, when only your opinion.

@MummaKitten, yes, absolutely give it a good try, as it is a quality approach by adding the additional layer. Like all therapies, it doesn't work for everyone, but you have to try it to know that for yourself.

To help your understanding:

Inclusive of verbal psychotherapy, the work of Somatics and Somatic Psychotherapy is additionally informed by engaging directly with the client’s bodily experience by utilizing a wide range of somatic techniques to facilitate:
  • The recognition and engagement of non-verbal communications.
  • Increased awareness, understanding and mastery of emotion, emotional energy, bodily pain and, more generally, felt experience.
  • The activation of novel movement, breathing and action patterns, and their psychological correlates.
  • The bodily regulation of affect (emotion and emotional energy).
  • The careful and respectful surfacing of previously disavowed emotion.
  • The bodily de-activation of patterns of chronic and acute tension, and the exploration of their psychological causes.
  • The discovery and creation of meaningful narratives around posture and gesture.
http://somaticpsychotherapy.asn.au/about-us/what-is-somatic-psychotherapy/
 
@Hope4Now I've been referred to look at youtube videos by Peter Levine and Pat Ogden, seeing as they're some of the leaders in this field. I'm quite intrigued by what they've had to say and have wanted to see how others have reacted to it. Thanks so much for your input with EMDR- my mother-in-law actually has said some good things about it, but I don't think that would really help me. I have an issue with talking about my past experiences and have disassociative states when I have PTSD events.

@anthony Thanks for your input, as well. While CBT is primarily used right now, it has come to light in the recent years that somatic and sensorimotor therapy actually does better for trauma. The success rates with sensorimotor/somatic therapies are being shown to help in a shorter amount of time, allow the person to actually want to come back to counseling and work through their experiences. I believe it's focusing more on the body language that is shown when a person is thinking about said trauma, because they don't force the client to talk about their trauma and "relive" that trauma, but instead they make comments on your body language or expressions (for example: I'm seeing that you are experiencing a lot of sadness when it comes to ______) and then you're allowed to accept that yes, you do feel sad or no, that doesn't seem quite right. It's seemed like it's more of a way to process emotion and come to realize what you're feeling. More or less, I'm saying that even though CBT is primarily used, it doesn't mean that it's necessarily the better way to go about working with trauma. I actually had my PTSD events get worse while in CBT and then I had drugs thrown at me left and right to control my anxiety. Instead, they were focusing on my anxiety and controlling that, not the trauma itself, because that's what is causing me to have panic attacks in the first place.

I've had issues being able to express my emotions and express what I am feeling. I vaguely know what sadness feels like or what grieving feels like. I wasn't allowed to grieve with my father passing away back in 2012. So, that seems to be a better way than CBT. I'm very aware that I shouldn't be feeling anxiety in certain situations and have tried to talk myself down from feeling anxious. It doesn't work and I've done everything that counselors in the past have said.

I might also add that I'm very interested in it because I've studied psychology in the past and have never heard of a window of tolerance or anything about sensorimotor therapy. It's something new that I want to explore and, if it works for me, I may want to study into it further in order to help others that are in my own situation.
 
@MummaKitten, what you're talking about is not CBT. CBT has nothing to do with allowing the client to express their emotions. CBT encompasses TF-CBT, EMDR, PE, SIT, ACT, and a whole bunch of other trauma therapies. Somatic is not something new and huge... it does not have better or worse results than another, as you claim.

Every therapy depends on the person. If somatic works best for you, then it works best for you. What works best for the next person may be similar, the same or completely different. Some respond better to meds alone, some one therapy, others a combination of therapies, so forth.

Based on reading some of your other answers here, you need to go back to educating yourself before making statements or giving advice about psychotherapeutic components of PTSD, as your statements are very inaccurate to the facts.

Read and learn is my advice... and what works for you does not make that the best approach over all others, as fact, or for everyone else.
 
body language or expressions (for example: I'm seeing that you are experiencing a lot of sadness when it comes to ______) and then you're allowed to accept that yes, you do feel sad or no, that doesn't seem quite right.
That's not exclusively somatic or sensorimotor practice, a good therapist will notice their client's body language and feedback their sense of what that might mean. Addressing the clients process in session and noticing changes (as in manner, demeanour, body language) is a key element of any therapeutic alliance.

CBT in all its forms and spin offs is still the recommended treatment for PTSD. Relational therapies work for early, developmental trauma where attachment is an issue but most folk will have good results with CBT and it's derivatives.

It's worth remembering that for many people PTSD isn't a life long condition in so much as they become symptom free in a relatively short time with or without treatment. The folk here aren't necessarily representative of the majority of people with this condition - it tends to be folk with long, enduring difficulties a who seek support in this type of forum.

Simply put as a starting point I'd always go with CBT first and build from there.
 
Please cite facts when making such statements versus claiming something as fact, when only your opinion.
Hey there, Anthony. I don't want to get into an argument with you. I know you are a big proponent of CBT and it surely does have a good record and has helped many people. I am responding mostly because I'm reacting to the tone I perceived in your response to my post. I am an academic. I know how to find and read research, and how to suss out its quality. I talk to a lot of professionals. I have run trainings for neuropsychologists. I write books and articles. I do know what I am talking about, though my bias toward somatically based treatment interventions came through as an assertion of its better effectiveness. I didn't cite research because partly I didn't want to get all academic in a simple and well-intentioned post-response. I do certainly understand your concern about citing research that backs up statements about what is and is not effective in trauma therapy.

EMDR is not somatic, EMDR is closer to exposure, being a CBT therapy.

Most (all?) trauma therapy has some aspects of cognition involved at some point in the therapy, as the goal is to remap the brain's neural connections.

I indicate that EMDR has a somatic base because it goes beyond pure CBT by including bodily movement (eye tracking, hand tapping, etc.). It's maybe not categorized currently as a somatic therapy, but a major contributor to its effectiveness is the connection between the mental and the physical aspects of consciousness. I have done EMDR with a practitioner who trained with Shapiro, and I have witnessed a family member going through the treatment as well. It is challenging, but effective, especially for single-event traumas. It does not work without the physical activity. It is an 8-phase therapy according to the EMDR Institute (founded by Francine Shapiro, the person who originated EMDR). The helpful website is What is EMDR? | EMDR Institute – EYE MOVEMENT DESENSITIZATION AND REPROCESSING THERAPY.
Note #3 below in the phases of EMDR treatment:
Phases 3-6: In phases three to six, a target is identified and processed using EMDR therapy procedures. These involve the client identifying three things:
1. The vivid visual image related to the memory
2. A negative belief about self
3. Related emotions and body sensations.

That is not factual. Please cite your source for such statement.
You seem to think I am making false statements. I had no intention of doing so. It is simply that research is increasingly moving in the direction of affirming that the most effective treatments for most traumas will include somatics. Without the somatic component, the client/patient is working with only a part of their consciousness to overcome the emotional reactivity to trauma--the intellectual.

There is a lot of research out there indicating the superiority of somatic based psychotherapy to CBT alone. I don't feel like hunting down and annotating a bibliography, but the research is out there if you are interested and wanting to pursue it. The research base is growing because of advances in understanding of neuroscience and the formerly misunderstood relationships (or lack of) between mind and body. CBT appeals to the western binary concept of mind and body separation, and it is very useful for treating some aspects of trauma, especially if the sufferer is not experiencing secondary or tertiary dissociation. However, if one reviews the current literature on trauma healing, one will find increasing agreement among theorists and clinicians that successful treatment must include both mind and body in relationship. This is no new concept in Eastern medicine, but it is still new in Western medicine, in spite of the learnings connected to WWI survivors who developed conversion disorders in addition to PTSD. CBT still seems often to be understood as the gold-standard in treatment, but that is changing in both primary care medicine and therapeutic intervention for trauma survivors. And many trauma survivors will attest to the fact that CBT alone, while it can help certain behavioral responses to traumatic reactivity (flashbacks, self-harming behaviors, phobias, etc.) does not heal the underlying trauma.

I mentioned van der Kolk's book, The Body Keeps the Score, because it is very well-researched and documented, and is useful and readable for both survivors and clinicians. Peter Levine's books are also readable and well-researched. One can go further and look at Stephen Porges's work (polyvagal theory) and research on PTSD as a disruption of the autonomic nervous system (hard or impossible to heal through cognition), and many approaches to healing adult attachment disorders (which are extremely common among survivors of early trauma.

I will stop here. I acknowledge that CBT-based therapies can be helpful. I have participated in intensive DBT programs and they are helpful to some extent, and I went through four years of intensive CBT a while back which was helpful in teaching me about my reactivity and identifying some aspects of my reactivity. I have even had exposure therapy related to some phobias which was terribly emotionally damaging even though it did allow me to overcome the phobia by retraining my behavioral responses to the triggers. So, yeah, CBT is good. But it is limited. And for the benefit of trauma survivors, I think it of extreme importance to educate them (and the clinicians who treat them) about the necessity of participating in somatically based therapies if they are interested in true and deep healing.
 
I have an issue with talking about my past experiences and have disassociative states when I have PTSD events.
Yes, true that if you have issues with dissociation, EMDR can be tricky and may end up triggering more dissociation. The physical aspects of it are helpful to keep you present while you are working through the trauma, but it doesn't always work. I did just a little of it to see if I could resolve some reactivity I was having to a bad car accident a year or so ago. It was intense and brought up stuff from childhood that took me by surprise. My sessions didn't resolve everything that came up, but they did help with that one specific incidents and some crippling flashbacks I was having as a result of it. I was lucky to have a clinician who was VERY experienced and understood the complex nature of my traumatic past as well as knowing me pretty well, so we were very focused and took little baby steps. It was helpful. However, I know I am in no position to benefit from EMDR for most of my trauma due to issues with dissociation. For EMDR to be most effective, the client needs to be able to stay present in body and mind for at least short periods of time when revisiting the traumatic event they're focusing on.

Instead, they were focusing on my anxiety and controlling that, not the trauma itself, because that's what is causing me to have panic attacks in the first place.
YES!!! This is what I meant by talking about the limits of CBT alone. It is good for symptom management, but it doesn't get to the core processing which has to be in the body.

I wish you the very best in your search for treatment that will help you. Blessings rain upon you.
 
No tone... how you interpret me is for you and you alone.
You seem to think I am making false statements. I had no intention of doing so. It is simply that research is increasingly moving in the direction of affirming that the most effective treatments for most traumas will include somatics.
I absolutely agree with this, that therapists are becoming better at intuiting body sensations within practice, whatever practice that may be at the time.

I'm not a proponent of CBT, actually. I am a proponent of what works effectively for PTSD.

If you told me that your problem was relationship, communication... guess what? I would not be recommending you towards CBT.

As you obviously know for yourself... most trauma therapies fall under the CBT umbrella. As such, those very therapies are what is delivering the majority recovery for PTSD / cPTSD specifically.

I have no argument that body sensations is important within the scope of treatment.

To be perfectly honest, I believe most people get confused when talking one therapy or the other, with a focus on a primary component versus the fundamental entire scope, which is usually various techniques all rolled into one, all being used as needed for the appropriate situation.

Until the leading therapies for treating PTSD change... my response remains focused on what works optimally. Somatic therapies is one within the context of my own personal lists... but by itself, without cognitive components as some like to discard, somatic anything by itself won't fix trauma at the cognitive level. Some people use somatic therapy in a way that sounds more appropriate to saying, "I had a massage and it cured my PTSD."
 
I have only just been able to reap benefits from CBT. I think perhaps the difference here is with developmental trauma (preverbal), there are no words and the somatics need to be kept under control first before one can even consider the cognitive sense of safety.

It has been 10 years of severe and pervasive somatics that have been a risk to my life over and over again. Once I got them under control (using somatic therapies), I then had to be convinced cognitively, that the somatics were no longer a risk to my life, and from there, that I was safe in the here and the now.

I get that research says CBT rules, but as research develops it becomes clear that mistakes (errors and omissions in the research model) leave certain cases out in the cold. Anyone remember the time that homosexuality was considered and treated as a mental illness? I take issue with the 'one size fits all' model. Perhaps CBT as a first line fits most, but when they used it on me years back, it nearly destroyed me. It was no joke.
 
I get that research says CBT rules
That isn't what research says. Research outlines specific therapy types work best for specific psychological conditions, combined with specific individuals. They must be matched.

Some people will actually recover and manage PTSD and its symptoms with exercise and fitness... nothing else.

A therapy type must be matched to you and your specific symptoms. Nobody is saying one size fits all.

There are known majorities that work effectively, however, there are placebo and alternative treatments that work as effectively for some people, whilst the majority ones do not work at all for them.
 
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