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Relationship Intimacy & Commitment

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AlshaSoDak

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I've gotten through one of my books on PTSD. One point in particular peaks my interest, wondering if anyone else has any weight on the subject...Intimacy and commitment.

I have been seeing my SO, with combat PTSD, since July 2016. He was diagnosed in 2010.

When we first started actually seeing each other, after talking for awhile, neither one of us was looking for a relationship. More like, "I want someone to satisfy my needs and also to talk to occasionally." Judge if you want, I don't care, but it was to be very casual.

By September, he suggested we not see other people. Both of us were casually dating and (presumably) speaking to other people of interest. There was an agreement made that we would only be seeing each other, still casually. No pressure. Obviously, by this point I wasn't even interested in anyone else, or I wouldn't have stuck around.

By October and November, I had caught the feelings pretty hard. We spoke every day and had been for awhile. He was comfortable enough to share personal things, and a trust was established. He cared. We went through some tough lows, and he let me in while he suffered. He shared things he hadn't with anyone.

All the while we were obviously doing the things adults do, with a major difference.....zero physical intimacy. (I throw in physical because I think sharing personal experience, fears, dreams, etc is very intimate, which he had started doing.) But, there was no kissing, hand holding, cuddling, touching aside from what had to happen, sleeping over... none of the sort. It struck me as strange.

By the end of December and into January, we had spoken of my serious feelings toward him. Hugs became regular with visits. He would try to sit next to me on the couch but was visibly uncomfortable. On occasion, I would sneak in a cuddle, he would become rigid but didn't push me away. He started to let me touch his face and arms a little more. Still nothing regularly. I'm very affectionate, so this is a tough area for me. But, I didn't ever push my wants, I figured he'd do them when he was ready.

The first week of February I received my first kiss, unprompted. Fourth of July style (fireworks and junk; mush, mush). By the middle of February an admitted "I love you." Which I had known (I thought) for awhile, just unspoken.

It's now March, I have gotten two "I love you's" since, two kisses, and two overnight stays. Things have progressed slower than previous "normal" relationships and in a f*cked up order, pardon my language. But I am, for the most part, happy. There are still visits where none of this happens. Just talking, dinner, maybe a movie in; and that's perfect too, just odd to me he stays so distant at times. It's so on again/off again, but we never falter in communication.

My question is, do other supporters with partners that have non-sexually related PTSD have these types of intimacy issues?

Also, we are clearly honest and committed to one another, but he refuses to "label it" (his words.) He says it changes the whole dynamic, is worried about the expectations afterward, etc. But has been married twice, I know he's not afraid of commitment in general. Afraid to lose me? Push me away? Afraid I'll leave due to the PTSD like his exes? When I bring it up, even though our communication is typically great, he shuts down.

Anyone in my position that has experienced anything similar? Is it even PTSD related?

Note: I am not complaining in this thread, I am simply curious about these actions. Please don't assume I'm rushing or impatient, I will wait for him as long as it takes for him to be comfortable. :)
 
I'm not sure you have had time to go back this far in the forums but here is a thread you may find helpful: Lets Talk About Sex And Intimacy

To answer your last questions..... yes and yes. The other questions about possibilities....yes to each one or yes to all of them. That's the part you both will need to deal with during this journey.

Physical intimacy is important, even vital, in any relationship. In my case, it took couples counseling to get past that part....and we did. We still have physical intimacy differences, mostly because of my sufferers past trauma but we both understand where each of us are at so it's not a problem. In this long journey with PTSD, that issue has been dealt with and will most likely get better as the rest of everything is worked on.

I'm glad you are reading, learning, and exploring. I did not have the awareness of my sufferers illness till well after it caused both of us major grief for many years. You asked great questions and I'll be following this thread as I'm sure it will help me also.
 
My vet is stressed by labels too. Honestly, as long as we're committed and monogamous I don't care what he calls me. The title "girlfriend" isn't important enough to stress over

The sex drive seems to come and go depending on how symptomatic he is. Trust and intimacy can be hard, and I had to let him go at his own pace in the beginning.
 
I'm not sure you have had time to go back this far in the forums but here is a thread you may find h...

@Snowflakes thank you for the thread link! I had not seen it but will take a look!

Yes. I don't bring up the exes unless he does. Both his wives weren't understanding of his behavior or his PTSD. Both were unfaithful. His second marriage lasted less than a year. I imagine he's taking his time this time around. I'm also divorced and understand to a point.

I can't completely complain, he does try. And I honestly do appreciate it. When he goes outside his comfort zone and seems totally uncomfortable, I have to remember to not personalize it. It's him and the PTSD, not me. I'm sure he'd love to give me what I need. And the days he's feeling open, he can be so affectionate, even initiating loving gestures. It's just so hot and cold, so to speak.

I'm so glad I'm not alone. I'm so thankful for all the knowledge and support here :hug:
 
My vet is stressed by labels too. Honestly, as long as we're committed and monogamous I don't care w...

Thank you!
I agree with that. I can't say I'm stressed. Just a girl who's vet is in a motorcycle club and pretty handsome, so a little bit over protective! Lol. On a serious note, I just want to know what his hang up is, I don't mind one bit if we're "labeled" or not, I know he's sincere.

Sex drive doesn't seem to be totally an issue. The meds can take a toll, but we live hours apart, so I haven't experienced it being an issue. I've tried to let him open up at his leisure, I can be a little demanding sometimes. He jokes "give an inch, take a mile." But he's very compromising.

It's just nice to not feel alone in learning.
 
I'm totally with you @AlshaSoDak . Our kind of relationships will progress very differently and in an unconventional way to most. Its just an adjustment to make.

It sounds to me like you are both trying your best to bond better. Going against the grain outside your natural level of comfort to give a little more to the other, is a loving act.

Hand holding, face touching and kissing are very physically intimate actions which convey a lot of trust and kicks the door of vulnerability wide open. A bit like when you get out the shower and someone bursts in to the bathroom. You know that feeling right?

Like you I am very affectionate, we have no official 'title' but he shows me what I mean to him by his actions. I am cool with that and accept it.

My SO is very comfortable with physical and mostly emotional intimacy too. Downside for me is that this inevitably can trigger/contribute to isolation, when it becomes too much.
 
I'm totally with you @AlshaSoDak . Our kind of relationships will progress very diffe...

I'm glad to hear your experience is similar!

My SO doesn't like to do vulnerable, straight fact. He definitely keeps the guard up most of the time. He links the physical affection to emotional connection and I understand that is very overwhelming for him. He's always nervous how the emotion will come out, too much or not the right response etc.

He is heavily involved in his motorcycle club, they do their brotherhood hugs after the meeting and he doesn't participate. It's understood. When I asked him why, he said "I don't hug anyone I can't completely and fully trust." So at least I've got that going for me!

I'm glad to know this is PTSD related and not a reflection of how he feels toward me. He really tries, and communicates well, and compromises. We make a lot of deals, a lot of give and take.

Thank you for your insight :)
 
Things with my ex were... strange, she had a bigger sex drive than I did despite the reason for h...

I'm not sure what the reason was for your SO's trauma. But I've read sometimes heighted sex drive after trauma is directly linked to safety.

I speak with my therapist about things that happen in my relationship, sexual and otherwise. She suggested the reason my SO was dominant and distant right away in the bedroom was due to his constant feelings of helplessness (PTSD.) It made him feel safe. While he has softened with time and trust, I can see that direct link. He carries himself confidently and is (sometimes ridiculously) out to prove he is the Alpha. I believe it all links to his deep insecurities which he shows no one but his therapist. He was also very hypersexual at first, but also as a safety net...Human connection, basic sexual need met; without the emotion. He wanted to feel close to another person without having to feel emotion.

I'm not sure if possibly that's what your SO was after? Wanting to connect with you without connecting on an emotional level all the time? And maybe your drive was lower in general, or maybe it was lowered because you weren't getting the emotional connection you craved?

I can't speak for you and your SO, as I'm not sure the circumstances. But this has just been my experience with it. I wish you the very best in healing.
 
My girlfriend (possibly ex, seeing how the next few days go) has little sex drive, and the physicality comes and goes but as far as I can tell wasn't sexually assaulted as a kid, when she was physically abused resulting in the complex PTSD. Now, since then, I know that she's been abused by her ex boyfriends, and raped by a colleague (who without evidence got off scott free, and works in the same office with her).

She'll often want to meet for lunch, want a kiss upon meeting and again when we go our separate ways. Hand holding and hugging is maybe a 50/50 thing which she initiates. She does like cuddles though, watching a film or something, so a lot of the time she'll show up for an hour or two, cuddle with a film, then because I make her feel safe, she'll feel sleepy and want to go home again.

We've usually had good communication with each other before (although she sucks at texting, both in a timely manner and in tone through messages), but we did have the issue you allude to with naming what we were. It did irk me when she kept calling me "friend" instead of "boyfriend" but she only started that after talking with her therapist and realising that everything we did was inkeeping with that anyway.

I'd say it is PTSD related for sure, I was reading "How PTSD Disrupts Relationships - Part 2 - 50 Ways PTSD Undermines Intimate Relationships" at New-Synapse earlier, and there's a lot there which I can see in my relationship. It's an interesting read, and I'm certainly feeling alone, rejected, cut off, down, hurt, angry, and lost from the figurative wall that has formed between us. It's got me in the stage where I'm wondering if it's healthy. I know we all say about taking care of ourselves first, and I've been doing that - but it's almost as if I don't have a relationship at times. It's part of why I'm considering ending it, as much as it pains me to do so. I love her, but at times I feel so unloved, and sometimes feel as though I'm being used. PTSD really is a ******* of a thing to have to cope with. From every angle.
 
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