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I am more in line with government oversee State to make sure they aren't breaking the rules but other then that I don't like government running a bunch of stuff.
Government overseeing states (regulations) is a Democrat stance. Libertarians want government out of their choices altogether. Republicans are for a strong defense and bootstraps or bust.

It's not hard to research this stuff. You have a right to be more informed, and you can change your party affiliation anytime.

You also don't have to say you are a moderate if you aren't.

The important thing is - educate yourself. You have a debilitating physical condition and major mental health issues. You are very likely going to need the social safety net no matter what. And what they are passing now will have a big impact on 10 years from now.
 
We've had other periods in this country where things got out of balance.

This is somewhat off topic and yet, not, and in no way is intended as a criticism @scout86. I read an interview with Sherman Alexie this morning, a Native American writer (he prefers Indian) in which he stated: "You know what's happening, though: The entire country is becoming a reservation." Yes, he was referring to the current administration while aptly, in my opinion, highlighting an issue that too often go unmentioned and needs to be considered. I think our constitution does not, and did not, protect minority populations. Quite the opposite...

Sherman Alexie on How Trump is Turning the US Into a Reservation
 
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The US population is about 5.5 times that of Australia (roughly).
Keep going. Australia population is 24 million. USA is 326 million.

Australia land mass, 7.7 million km squared. USA land mass, 9.8 million km squared.

Closer to x 13.5 :D

As you can see from our land mass to actual population, this is why we're super friends with people like China, because they want to move in for all the land we have. And they are... hence they will never be an enemy to Australia. I would in fact believe China would be the first to be here if anyone tried to invade Australia, even before America. But our country is near impossible to actively invade... which is a huge barrier from anyone to really try.
 
One of my sons is at AIT Fort Huachuca US ARMY. When we drove to Missouri and watched him graduate from boot camp I was thrilled at the change in him. He met the challenges in boot camp and was looking forward to the challenges of AIT. It was one of the proudest experiences of my life. After we spent a day and a half with him and sent him off to AIT I was no longer worried that he was missing the "college experience." He knows he can go to college now if he wants and if he works hard. Being in therapy all these years it was very hard to maintain my conservative values or even talk about them. Anyone else experience this in trying to deal with the liberal therapists who all came out of the liberal arts colleges? I know some of you had bad experience with the military I have military PTSD in my family but we still support our service men and women.
 
There are moments, a lot of them recently, when I wonder if this isn't just part of a republican plan to decrease the 'surplus' population.
Steven Bannon and the connections to Alexander Dugin really actually suggest there is a goal (for them, not mainstream GOP members) of creating destabilization and chaos so that the whole system crashes and they get to swoop into the vacuum. They have both been clear and stated as much.

Trump himself is heavily in favor of universal health care, and I think it's possible they push this to break down to bring in a federalized single payer system to save it all.
 
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this is why we're super friends with people like China, because they want to move in for all the land we have. And they are... hence they will never be an enemy to Australia..
China has bought massive amounts of land in the US as well.
China Is Making a Major Play for American Farms and Farmland and What's China Buying In The U.S.?

This article covers how they have bought more land internationally than anyone else, with the US not far behind. Dead Link Removed

What is really interesting on a cultural level is that most Americans I know are super freaked when they find out China is buying US land. The first response is usually, "are they trying to take us over?" not a hint of this being the actions of a strong ally and friend.
 
I didn't realize that narcissists had, as a high priority, the desire to know about anyone else besides themselves or those that served them? And for those that ser

That's the point:hug: and sorry that anyone has to put up with the :poop: examples that I give in the rest of this comment:

It's a "when narcissists are good" type situation
How could we ever manage without their wise counsel and controls over us, they only want the best for us...

We are narrow, ignorant of the wider picture and selfish, they are wise, qualified, expert and altruistic...

After all that they are doing for us, how could we be so ungrateful?

(Bingo!:whistling:)
 
There was a time, back in the late 1890's, I think, where the rich and powerful ran over the rights of everyone else. Monopolies were formed. Bad stuff happened. Laws were eventually enacted to rein in the robber barons. Life went on. If memory serves correctly, this sort of thing has happened more than once. It's happening again and it needs to be stopped.

That's the story that is current in the mainstream, it doesn't bear scrutiny, and the evidence from that time, and what has emerged since about who was related to whom, who was funding which politician and controlling which party, points towards the actual picture being a complete mirror image of that. What follows is absolutely not personal against anyone on the board.

Up until 1896, there was a big difference between the American political parties, Dems were typically Jeffersonian laissez-faire liberals, and appealed to ethnics, Catholics and liturgical protestants. To them, the state should be the minimalist night Watchman.

The Republicans had from the start been a party of great moral crusades on the surface, and of Hamiltonian big state and Clay high tarriffs and subsidies for cronies beneath that surface. Even the anti slavery issue that destroyed the American Whigs and split the democrats, the republican position doesn't withstand scrutiny; here's dishonest Abe's position during his 1858 debates with senator Stephen Douglas

There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. - Dishonest Abe
In 1896, control over the democratic party was seized by a group of ultra pietist protestants, and the policies of the party became even more intrusive (eg Pro alcohol prohibition) than the republicans, who under Rockefeller influence were moderating their intrusive policies in order to broaden their electoral appeal.

From that point on, there's virtually no difference between the two parties.

American railroads, the first of the big corporations, are hardly the result of a free market.

Even in the civil war, general Dodge, chief projector of the union Pacific spent the war using northern troops to murder Indians along the route, with full political blessings.

The railroads were subsidised and given massive land grants of up to 15 miles either side, while lands from the outer edge of the land grants were closed to settlement for 100 miles either side. Ordinary investors were screwed over with political blessing, and the promotors and politicians had shares in the construction companies, who milked the projects for what they were worth.

About the only trans continental railroad that was not subsidised, and it was the only one that didn't go bankrupt! Was the northern Pacific.

Attempts were made (mostly by the Morgan's) to cartelise industries and once cartelise, to reduce production and raise prices.

Every time, it was a failure. Cartel members secretly made competitive deals, or new competitors started up and broke the cartel.

Railroad cartels, starch and sugar cartels, leather tanning cartels, iron and steel cartels (judge Garry's dinners, to set prices for Pittsburgh steel makers)...

All flopped on The free market.

Mergers and buying out were no more successful

McCormick international Harvester lost market share and couldn't keep prices high, standard oil lost market share as oil refining expanded, production rocketed and prices fell.

The only way to get cartels and price fixing to stick was with government enforcement

That was what the ICC achieved for railroad cartelisation.

Get into the progressive era, and the rhetoric from people like this Roosevelt, Hurley, Crowley, McAdoo etc is "the government extending its machinery of helpfulness to other branches of industry, and doing for them what the FCC has done for the railroads"

Notice, doing for, not too!.

The rhetoric is also about price maintenance, of opening businesses books to scrutiny (to prevent secret price cutting), ending unfair and cutthroat competition (ending competition) preventing over capitalisation (keeping competition out).

There's lots more.
Refs for further reading would be Kolko, the corporate state
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James Weinstein's works on the progressive era.

The finger prints of the Rockefeller family are all over the republican party, and the Morgan's are all over the Dems right through from the post civil war era to the present
With family friends and business partners in all of the key positions.

Please don't confuse any of that with a free market

One last thing, Sinclair's the jungle, was published 3 months before federal meat inspection was instituted, even Sinclair stated that federal meat inspection, that the Chicago meat Packers had lobbied for since 1870, was about marketing, and about imposing costs and bureacracy on smaller competitors.
 
I think our constitution does not, and did not, protect minority populations. Quite the opposite...
I guess I could have put a finer point on that.

It was the INTENT of the constitution to protect the rights of minorities. Because most of the founders had a concept of what it was like to feel you had rights that were being trampled by the monarchy. Among other things, since a lot of early immigrants were fleeing persecution. The country ran into a problem that seems to have lasted into the present. The definition of the word "person". The definition has been kind of fluid. It seems to have started as "white, male, property owners". It's evolved. You're totally right, the system hasn't been at ALL fair to a LOT of different groups. And it's still not really fair today. But, the wording of the constitutions gives minorities something to work with. It's WORDED to treat all "people" equally. In court, if you can convince them you're a person, you can get some traction. We've fallen far short of the ideal, but I think it's better than a system where the laws are flat out structured so minorities are openly fair game.
American railroads, the first of the big corporations, are hardly the result of a free market.
True. And very much what I was thinking. The rich and powerful tend to look out for themselves and to corrupt the system for their own good. My take on things is that that's exactly where we are now. Hence the tax breaks for rich people at the expense of an attempt to provide health care for more of the non-rich. The balance I was talking about isn't between the two political parties which, while not identical in rhetoric, are awfully similar in practice, the balance I was talking about is between the rights of the uber rich and powerful and the rest of us. I'm totally convinced there's a bunch of people out there who'd like to see us go back to the European Middle Ages, where most of us are serfs they only have to worry about like the would the rest of the livestock.

I have to stick up for Abe Lincoln. His thinking on subjects evolved. He had the prejudices of his time, to be sure, but it's my opinion that he listened to people and he had a fairly open mind, and he learned. We have a lot of short comings, as a species, in how we treat each other, especially those we see as "the other". That seems to be nearly universal. I, personally, think President Lincoln was more compassionate that most.
Even more of an argument (in my mind) for the US splitting up into more reasonable bits.
A friend of mine suggested this in conversations years ago. When he first said it, I thought he was a bit nuts. As time has gone on, I've come to agree with that idea more and more. It's cool to find out I'm not alone! :)
 
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