What Makes You Angry Today?

[steviebeegee]

i remember years ago whilst attending hollybush house one of combat stresses treatment centres there was this couple who were both on an 80% war disability pension. she was a welfare officer who ended up marrying this guy and put in for vicarious trauma or secondary trauma because she claimed that she took on his trauma whilst listening to his trauma and because being a welfare officer she was still part of the mod ie pensionable and although never witnessed or went to war she manged to claim for an 80% war disability pension. they always stayed in one of the cottage draped in gold nice clothes fancy car. i was raging as i was sitting on 20% at the time, talk about working the system.

 

[Anglesachse]

I for my part joined the Army and all that it brings to help others, and not demand that I get what I think I have earnt and have a right to afterwards.

I find it hard to believe that anybody of sound mind can claim they joined the army and didn`t expect to be effected, baring that in mind, health issues go with the territory.

Allthough I could claim, I don`t. Why? because the Health System in place gives me all I need. Therapies, Meds, clinics.

Yes Money is "owed" me, but I don`t need it, and so long as someone doesn`t need it why should they claim. The guys without arms and legs and that have lost their sight need it more than I do, and from what I have seen they get it.

And yes Maggy pissed a lot of people off. Mainly the Union F*ckwits who were running the country into the ground. But she put the Great back into Britain and made it a country worth feeling proud about.

I can`t see any other PM of the day going to war in the Falklands to protects Brits, and she done the Military proud, and was proud of us and what we were willing to do for her right up until she died.

So if Maggy got my money for her funeral, then I am happy about it aswell. She done a lot for the UK, a lot of shit no other whining f*cktard politicion let alone sniveling Union scum was willing to do. She earnt the right to a Proper funeral.

But on the other hand, if people arn`t willing to accept how the system works, well don`t join the system, and don`t complain about it once you have joined. At the end of the day, nobody makes you do it. It is there own free will and a PVR can be done any time for those that want out.

Joining the Army means becoming a Soldier, and Soldiers kill as part of there job, Fact!, a fact known about for Centuries and anybody who thinks otherwise should stop playing PC Games and watching Hollywood movies and needs to take there head out there arse and join the real world.

 

[Anglesachse]

Funny how nobody in the UK complains about the widows pension.

Father worked 40 years, Mother at home all the time never worked and never paid her dues into the system but still gets to claim on what He Worked?!

At least the the lass was working with and for Vets, and seeing as Secondary PTSD is a fact, I don`t see a problem.

Not like she was sat et home doing f*ck all like most in the UK, she was serving Her country which is more than can said for 90% of the population.

I think you maybe need to look at things from a different perspective and not just from the "I want my candy and No I will not share it" side

 

[steviebeegee]

hi anglesache i hear what your saying but i think you are bligted prior deployment of the falklands as maggie with her cut backs had already scaled back alot of our military including the ark royal why do you think that the troops sailed to the falkland on a cruise liner the cannabra insteed of a war ship and the troops where mainly special forces that were very ill equiped. even after she gave the go ahead for a submarine the belgrano they retaliated with and exorcet missile at the sir galahad how even lacked the resorces to defend itself and most of the ships were sitting ducks, we didnt even much in the way of air support. to which our forces battled hand to hand combat and through their on courage though bravely to fight off the argies at a cost of 300 soldiers and when they returned they couldnt even claim for a pension because maggie announced it was the falkland conflict rather than a war. which i think infuriated alot of soldiers were so angry another 300 plus took their own lives. so how can you write that pish when you dont even know the bobby moore and not because theres oil in the falklands. now the same thing is happening today by our new tory goverment making alot of sodliers redundant and replacing them with ta as there is also plans to do away with trident and other military assets and i would imagine maggie had enough in here own private pension to pay for her own funeral which im sure has been has been split up amongst her family. so the great britain and the empire aint so good because she sold everything britain was famous for. but if she was the woman who you think she was why all the protection. mabe you might not want to read my thread and beleive in your prospective. i always wondered we their were so many protesters for such a great women. funny we she resigned but im sure you no better.

 

[steviebeegee]

anglesachie you have totally blown my mind and probably every vet that is on this forum

so what all the vets are saing on here is a load of bollocks that going to war ptsd is part of the terrortry funny i remember going through basic trainning and know one mention the possibility of ptsd

yeah fair enough loss of limbs but ptsd is a mental condition which effects you phsyically

so do recommend the demise of this forum as we all have our heads up our arse

i really do feel so sorry for people like you who seem to have it all figured out and that i must be totally insane that ive just imagined having this trauma for nearly two decades and the symptoms which i thought were a result of ptsd has all just been a fragment of my imagination and any vet on this forum

gods knows what meds you are on what therapy you do and the clinics

i think if anyone you should join the real word or get to f..k out of this forum as i think you have just alienated yourself.

 

[Chin Strapped]

I've had the same view point about not claiming since day one, I have my limbs, I'm fine. But the more people I have spoke to have received war pensions, so I even mentioned this to my psych, about how I'm in two minds. She said psychological injusry, think of your bad days, would you be like that without the Army? So I began to think maybe financial help is not a bad thing and I don't have to feel bad about asking.

She was actually shocked I had not received any war pension. I am still yet to make my mind up. But I'm swaying towards applying, I never joined for ptsd, legs gone whatever I thought about; but this ptsd is also debilitating, I never considered that.

Not surprised at the conflicting opinions

 

[JarHed]

Not surprised at the conflicting opinions

I think most of us probably have that. On the one hand we're taught to carry on no matter what our problem is. On the other hand PTSD is a severe condition making it in many or even most cases impossible to work. I know vets missing limbs that say they're not as bad off as some. So, there's the rub. What to we do. It's a question that each of us has to answer on our own.

I'd say this; look at what the system can do to help. That's what it there for, us. I wasn't aware until very recently that due to my disability rating I am eligible for full medical coverage through the VA. I was eligible when I first was rated over 40 years ago. I have to tell ya' that I've spent a great deal of my money over the years on medical care and insurances. No one took the time to mention that I was eligible for it. Guess what I'm saying is it's there for us. We do have to go after it and to find out the ways that it can benefit us.

Any of these systems isn't fair, they are blind. There will always be people in greater need that don't get helped and those that really don't that do. We're all equally vets that have served. A bit tired, hope I'm not rambling.

 

[Chin Strapped]

It is there to help, you're right. Guess it comes down to personal choice.

I'll be claiming one day. I am quitting a job because I'm done in, going part time. Self preservation.

 

[Jimmy1]

Stevie, obviously the Falklands is a touchy subject for you, I think we all can work that out, but be very careful when having a go at individuals on the forum.

gods knows what meds you are on what therapy you do and the clinics

i think if anyone you should join the real word or get to f..k out of this forum as i think you have just alienated yourself.

Angle is entitled to his opinion and he did not direct it at you personally.

I find it hard to believe that anybody of sound mind can claim they joined the army and didn`t expect to be effected, baring that in mind, health issues go with the territory.

My daughter has just signed up and knows that she may be affected in some way if she deploys, she may not be expecting to get PTSD, but seeing death and destruction changes anybody or if she spends any amount of time in she expects to have some sort of health issue. Look at me, Back, knee's, shoulders.

That's enough of that.

Stevie I think your a great bloke from what I have read so far and you are entitled to your opinion too, just be very careful not to make it personal.

Cheers mate.

 

[steviebeegee]

jimmy fair enough i apologise to angle and everybody on this site that i could have acted in such a naive manner

 

[Jimmy1]

No mate, I was just letting you know. We have people that have fought in conflicts going way back on here and you never know who it can upset. We now know that The Falklands was a tough time for you.

Your not naive either mate, your just a veteran with PTSD, f*ck, 4 years ago I would have ripped peoples heads off and told them to shove them up their arse's too.

 

[steviebeegee]

soz jimmy i was never in the falklands all i was trying to do was convey the facks as i felt that he was havind a dig as he repeated some of the things id said which was on out of sarcasim ie squaddie humour and abit of fun but like you say some people take it the wrong way.