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[Sarg]

Sad, pathetic, gutless thieves that haven't the intelligence or intestinal strength to make their own brand of courage, so they steal it from those that have suffered for it. I don't hate them, I pity them, because they live some else's life and theirs is wasted.

Sarg

 

[Sludge]

Look at the bright side, we can't get in trouble for pretending to be lily-livered, weak-kneed goat humping landlubbers.

 

[SGT.Sunshine.]

Jar head unless you like flipping burgers or cleaning shitters for a profession and have no drive to do anything else, then sure no prob if your a combat vet, any other profession it is NOT cool today to be a combat veteran. HR f*cks us on hiring look at the numbers, the dif today is people are to much of pussies to say the shit to your face, so they just repeatedly make sure your bennies get f*cked up at the school admin level leaving you destitute, or they just never seem to be hiring but instead interviewing, and those get cut short when you get to the part about what you did in the service or if you even swerved. I really do wish it wasnt so insidious and they came at me straight on, then I would have no doubt when stomping and punching the shit out of the f*ck heads in rightcheous indignation. Take care Jar and Thank you for your service.

The dick bags doing it now are NO diff then the ones who DONT dress up and still f*ck you behind your back, usually out of making and sustaining a lively hood. Becouse as you can see they are usually using monetary bennies by doing this. God knows how many panhandle people for straight cash. The easiest way of seeing what the majority of spinless Jelly fish, (no offense ment towards any navy here) Is to go online where they feel safe and anon with their postings and have a read usually the comments section under ANY article pertaining to military. That IS what the majority really think in their own words.

 

[Spock]

...HR f*cks us on hiring look at the numbers, the dif today is people are to much of pussies to say the shit to your face, so they just repeatedly make sure your bennies get f*cked up at the school admin level leaving you destitute, or they just never seem to be hiring but instead interviewing, and those get cut short when you get to the part about what you did in the service or if you even swerved. I really do wish it wasnt so insidious and they came at me straight on,...

True dat...HR is full of dumbshits with no clue, worried only about numbers but the dickbags at the top send the wrong signals, allow HR incompetency and depend on their legal staffs to cover up everything.

 

[Lurch]

HR incompetency and depend on their legal staffs to cover up everything.

The problem is, everyone knows it is cheaper to settle a law suite then to fight it in court. No business wants the bad publicity of suing someone they just fired for a wrongful law suite. People will continue to manipulate the system as long as there is zero risk and all reward.

 

[Spock]

The problem is, everyone knows it is cheaper to settle a law suite then to fight it in court. No business wants the bad publicity of suing someone they just fired for a wrongful law suite. People will continue to manipulate the system as long as there is zero risk and all reward.

And most people won't even take it to court, especially combat vets because it is too much crap. But, even while vets are still in or just transitioned out, DoD Career Bureaucrats (Civ Execs = SES) abuse their positions and manipulate the system because there is little will to fight them and when people do, their legal staffs drag it out to make it too expensive to fight them. Also, any job that requires a clearance allows DoD to manipulate that system to hide corruption, retaliation and abuse.

 

[Lurch]

@Spock, not arguing but have not seen it. I have been really lucky to be able to fire unproductive GS personnel with no push back from HR. I have been able to promote veterans within the system that deserved it. It may be that I know the rules and laws and know how to find things within OPM that others can't. Less then 120 days aboard my new station and already fired one GS and 2 contractors for non performance. Hiring will be something different, but that's a problem with my ISIC and not HR.

When I get out I may have a totally different perspective on things. I know you never truly know the issue until you have experienced it on both sides. I have not yet.

 

[Spock]

Argue? No reason. I agree, it was no big deal for me to handle things within my control. But, upward, and SES, is different world than GS, was the issue. I'm in a lawsuit and it isn't getting settled. I also work with vets & their congressional reps (useless mostly) on this topic again and again. If it was up to us no combat vets would get screwed but it isn't. And worse the Services are lead by civvies that aren't motivated by this issue as a priority. Fact is, the vast majority of vets get trampled, hence the AD suicide rate, the med board rates, the early outs, etc...

 

[Spock]

It is the same issue as MST, sexual harassment cover-up by HR & JAG staff protection of the chain of command, just a different wrapper without the congressional interest (yet, too big)

 

[Lurch]

Spock, I may be very lost here in this discussion as today my mind is as foggy and overcast as the weather outside. I thought we were talking about combat Vets getting hired into the GS system. Not many of us will qualify for the SES positions or even want to work such a political nightmare. Getting there does take knowing someone and giving them gratification of their desire. That I'm not willing to do.

The SES have little control over the ordinary positions and the hiring is left to mid grade Officers within the command. Within the three different regions I have worked with the HRO in the past 7 years, I have not seen vets getting the shaft. I have seen combat vets with sever PTSD getting hired, commands working with them and the vets doing a great job. Again, my data points are very limited.

What I have seen is vets not answering the questionnaires fully and honestly. I had a vet come and talk with my why he didn't make the certificate. It was simple, several vets with the same points answered the questions fully and he marginalized his qualifications. I think more vets try to humble and understate their qualifications then boasting and marking it appropriately. I had to explain to them that the GS has equivalent ranks as the military and answer the question based on that. He did not perceive himself to be an expert on certain items, but when I ask him if he was an expert based on that item being a E-4 or E-5 he answered yes as he was an E-6 when he departed the service.

 

[Spock]

We were writing about Stolen Valor and then it morphed into vets hiring, both private & public sector. You're talking about GS jobs. My topic is somewhat different and as is my perspective based on 30+ years DoD/Military and afterward, working multiple (100+) combat vet cases, dealing with the intricacies of retaliation and discrimination. It is too frequently a result of insidious, hidden reality -- I know personally -- that includes command staff and how DoD agencies, Military services, & Joint community manipulate the system to save dollars. They, especially ignorant non-mil civilians with no combat or military background, are reckless and blatantly mistreat combat vets while they claim support to combat ops to gain funding & build resumes. The issue is worse in the private sector due do several factors but I'm tied into the military hiring system and know again, the Services interfere, especially with combat vets during their transition.

I'm glad you found a niche of success Lurch but the topics are somewhat different. The mass of legal cases, suicides rates, employment rates and various scandels speak to the widespread reality or abuse and lack of education on the topic on every side to include medical support.

I simply agreed with SGT Sunshine and let him know that the HR folks are indeed culpable but it starts at the top, back by legal staff antics, based on priorities that center on promotion and self not taking care of the troops properly.

 

[SGT.Sunshine.]

It's this civilian mind set and drivel. This is what a lot of them really believe. No actual real world first hand experience, but instead a head filled with others politically charged and motivated sources of info, regurgitated and believed 100 percent by the masses or as I like to refer to them as, them asses. Just think this is what ALOT of our bosses and many others with influence over our daily lives believe and will only discuss when they can anon online.