News Las vegas massacre

[Ronin]

I consider it to be valid.

To clarify:
Assuming someone's a sleeper is a pretty specific assumption.
That has very little to do with ages old umbrella projects (to which laymen 'understanding' added more bollocks than reality), the reality of groups of whichever agenda kidnapping children within compliant systems, or the price of eggs in China.

It's a very specific indoctrination, and one that is unlikely to manifest in this type of violence *within these circumstances and with no motivation*. These terms have connotations. It's not just goal-less violence - and one directed at civilians, working alone, and not having a safe route out after the act, either.

Hence my asking for another thread, and finding bad raising and other kinds of snap than being groomed for it specifically more likely.

 

[SaharaSon]

To clarify:
Assuming someone's a sleeper is a pretty specific assumption.
That has very little to do with...

@Ronin Your points are logical and well taken. The whole subject area is a 'sticky wicket', as they say. There is a lot of oblique deception of motives. It's very hard to pin down the long term goals, if other well concealed folks are involved. :D

 

[Deanna]

Hence my asking for another thread, and finding bad raising and other kinds of snap than being groomed for it specifically more likely.

What's been on my brain since this morning ( have to write to get it off my brain) is this guy waits to the end of the concert when everyone is vulnerable. You know, people are relaxed at that point. So, this was calculated

Then, now, CNN is saying that he had car bomb too. So, that doesn't go together because he had a hell of an ego thinking he wasn't going to get shot but still planned to jump in the car, afterwards?

So, there someone else in the background but... I just waned to point out this was calculated from the beginning. He was waiting to the end of te show. ( f"ing creep)

 

[scout86]

Then, now, CNN is saying that he had car bomb too

I think we're at a point where it's hard to know how accurate information is. I'd read that he had explosive material in his car, which isn't exactly the same as a car bomb. I've also read, today, that they've found evidence that suggests he had plans to escape, rather than commit suicide. No details given, just that. And, in another place, something that they've found something he'd written and left, but the law enforcement officer being quoted said it wasn't what he'd call a suicide.note. AND, suggestions that he might have considered doing something at a concert in Chicago, earlier in the summer.

Right now, it's too early to trust what's being reported. Everyone wants to be first, you know? Later? I guess it depends on how much "they" want to tell us. (And I'm going to resist the temptation to go down any rabbit holes. For the most part, I think law enforcement plays things straight. Unless there's a reason not to.)

 

[Deanna]

Added: Ariel Castro went to one of his victims home, after he kidnapped one of the Cleveland girls ( forgot which one) and talked her mother about how he could help in the search or hand out fliers. He was right there.

So, that bothers me ( both are pyschopaths)

And this story screams of Timothy Mcvey. ( big Time) I had a friend in the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995 that he killed.

Anyway- I see patterns in both Timothy Mcvey and Ariel Castro with this Las Vegas shooting. ( 60 people for what purpose?)

My 02... ( bugs me)

Right now, it's too early to trust what's being reported. Everyone wants to be first, you know? Later? I guess it depends on how much "they" want to tell us. (And I'm going to resist the temptation to go down any rabbit holes. For the most part, I think law enforcement plays things straight. Unless there's a reason not to.)

I think you are right. Thanks Scout .

 

[mamachick]

When I used the term "pure evil", I was not meaning it in any sense that he could benefit from an exorcism or any religious sense. There are many sociopaths (anti social personality disordered) people among us. Prisons are full of them, but many function well within our society, and while they do not commit such crimes, they are gratified by personal gains such as money, sex, and control without a conscience of how it effects others. I suppose I used the term lightly as I see anyone who could commit such an act to be pure evil. He may have had a girlfriend, neighbors, family and lived what appeared to be a normal life...until the day that he premeditated such atrocity on others. Reports also state that he began collecting these weapons over the past year. This was pre-meditated and while we may never know exactly what was in his head, it was his final and evil act. Those with anti personality disorder can not be cured. They are not very treatable either. They don't have a conscience and you can not develop a conscience with therapy or meds. It is a mental illness. In their youth they often torture animals and such things....thats pretty evil. While I do not like stereo types of mental illness, this is one that others should stay clear from, and we don't always know who they are. A good read is "the sociopath next door". They do not all commit crimes, but they will bring havoc to your life for sure. I think anyone who lacks empathy and a conscience is pretty evil. Just my opinion and clarification.

 

[mamachick]

Sahara Son...I am a bit confused with your 2 comments above. In the first, you state pure evil is from the devil and may require and exorcism. In the second, you say pure evil is not a myth and this man is pure evil.
No exorcism could fix his sociopathy. Im just confused at the comments, not meant to be argumentative. We might be saying the same but using different language.

 

[hodge]

Stephen Paddock was a registered Democrat in Florida, a registered Democrat in Nevada and aa aggressi...

I am aggreived to hear this if it is true. Can I ask where you got this info about the shooter, because none of the major networks have reported that law enforcement has a clue yet as to motive.

 

[mamachick]

@hodge-I totally agree. No motive has been identified. We are all developing ideas from bits and pieces here. I have not heard from any credible source about his democratic position or anti Trump affiliation, or anti gun position.

I wondered how a retired accountant became a millionaire....then a friend told me he was a professional gambler and hit some big ones-making him a millionaire...I still have not read that, but I did read that he made some huge profits in real estate. He purchased a home for 360K and paid cash. He wanted to keep a low profile regarding neighbors. (possibly because he slept during the day and gambled at night). Vegas casinos reported that he was not considered a high roller although he played video machine poker that cost $100 a hand. He evidently did not hold the high status that many high rollers do. He considered himself a professional gambler. He occasionally had 50K hits. Where is the line between a "professional gambler" and having a "gambling addiction"....and how can a professional gambler not have an addiction...or can they, I don't know the answer to that. But gambling addiction is a process addiction and changes brain chemistry just as other addictions. They say, even if he lost over all, he made it up in perks such as free rooms and wine....but maybe he was not the big shot he wanted to be. Addictions change thinking, isolation, mis directed anger. Like other addictions, they can cause the person to care much less about others.....just like crack.At some point he was a postal worker early in life, then an accountant, and it seems more realistic that he made money in real estate, and lost in the facade of his professionally gambling career. Did Mandalay Bay comp that suite for him, or did he pay for it. I suspect that his gambling may have something to do with these acts. (treating the girl friend poorly recently, possibly a bit paranoid, collecting the weapons over the past year, being rude and disrespectful to other gamblers). I would be interested to hear if his wealth had declined.

 

[SaharaSon]

Sahara Son...I am a bit confused with your 2 comments above. In the first, you state pure evil is from th...

Brat17, I am not an expert on either the psycological or spiritual angles, that is for sure. I generally agree with your psycological interpretation of the pathology of the shooter. I like to hope that there is some kind of psycotherapy out there that can increase a persons empathy for other human beings, and other beings in general. I'm sure that there is, even if we haven't found it yet. From a spiritual angle, the person is possessed, or taken over by a dark force(s) which controls their spirit and their ability to have empathy for other beings. To remove that dark entity it takes a powerful good force or forces. The dark entities or spirits are not easily dislodged. In my personal opinion, in our natural state, free from negative influences, human beings are fundamentally good beings, I mean extremely good beings. I think we are seperated unnaturally from our naturally positive state. In other words, I don't look any people in their natural state as ever being evil. They just can be overtaken by something on the dark side. It can even be temporary, and the person reverts back to their normal positive state. In the long run, I think we will all be back to our natural state, but it may well be a bumpy ride getting there. :tup:

 

[Nessa7]

@hodge-I totally agree. No motive has been identified. We are all developing ideas from...

This New York Times article has a lot of information about his gambling.

There are a few things about his gambling that I'm curious about. Mass shooters often do something smaller prior to the shooting that demonstrates that they care less about what most people would consider to be normal and moral behavior. I wonder if maybe he had been testing the boundaries of what the casino would accommodate. Something I'm curious about is if part of his gambling was actually part of his planning. These sorts of killers plan extensively, and spending a lot of money at a casino would be a good way to have them overlook suspicious behavior.

Gambling is also the best route I've seen so far into starting to build a picture of why he did this. The gambling he did would definitely appeal to a narcissist. They would love the perks and special treatment. They'd be treated as more important than people that spent less than them and like part of an elite group. To gamble that much, there would need to be issues with impulsive and obsessiveness. His preference for more solitary ways of gambling is interesting, too.

 

[SaharaSon]

I am aggreived to hear this if it is true. Can I ask where you got this info about the shooter, because no...

Hodge, check charlottecountyfloridacopwatch.com there is a video of Pollock marching in an anti-Trump Democrat rally, also other info.;)