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What I'm particularly struggling with is doctor's offices and therapists who let therapy dogs run LOOSE in public spaces. My dog was actually attacked by a certified unleashed therapy dog a year ago running loose and unsupervised in a shared lobby in a large building (both dogs are fine.)
This is a nightmare for me. I've been attacked by lose dogs in buildings (my service dog ended up caring about every dog..) and now I just freak out and leave if I see a dog getting too close without a leash (or, in one dog's case, a leash dragging on the floor with no owner nearby...)

"When the child's mother has to call 911 because the seizure alert dog didn't alert to a seizure, because it was too busy being distracted by your dog playing with the service dog, do you think anyone is going to care that your dog is SUPER DUPER FRIENDLY and awesome? Or how about when a blind woman with a guide dog is led into a wall because your dog was jumping on it to play like it did with mine. As people in the waiting room rush to grab ice for the injury, do you think anyone will care how about the awesomeness of your dog? No. What they will care about is why you, as a medical doctor, let your dog run all over distracting and interfering with the work of service dogs and putting people at grave risk for injury. They will care very deeply about that. I love dogs, but this has nothing to do with how awesome your dog is as a therapy dog."
Thanks for this -- I will be using this argument. I have ones like it but specific examples and stories really help people understand

Also.... in order for a therapy dog to be certified, it has to ignore other dogs and never jump on them or run up to anyone unless called.... so that's questionable anyway. I'm not sure about that dog's certification. Though I don't know the full story, of course...
 
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She only agreed to stop letting the dog run loose when I explained what it means if a seizure alert dog can't alert to a seizure.
Nice one. Taking the time to explain is very generous - and also an opportunity to practice communication while under stress. I gotta believe every time we do that, we are helping ourselves a little.
I don't understand why these therapy dog handlers think they don't have to abide by leash laws in public spaces. Private back offices? Whatever. Shared lobby spaces where anyone from the public can walk in?
Honestly, I think the more relevant? Useful? (not sure which) issue is that the business is sharing space with another business. So, it's not good for their relationship as roommates for one office to alienate the clientele of the other. If the lobby is 'their' lobby, then 'they' need to agree on what is or is not OK. I doubt your PT would be happy to lose your business, or deal with the negative online reviews - and I'd doubt that the other business would want to lose their office-mate.
I appreciate your concern but it was said to say "I will if I need to". I know exactly how to conduct myself around aggressive dogs. I have trained aggressive dogs. I also carry bear spray. I didn't want to go through every single step I take to protect my dog. Again, it was stated as "i will if I need to as a last resort to protect my own dog. Please leash your dog in an apartment complex with a leash rule on the lease". That's all.
I know you said that you would if you needed to. I'm sure that any of us would lay down and die for our animals if we needed to.

I think @Justmehere had a good point, though. There's rights, and then there's practice/practical application, and there's also recognizing that we all inhabit shared space. Even in places where leash laws do not apply - one person working a dog off-leash may not be able to co-exist with another person walking their dog on-leash. Now, in an area designated for off-leash work, it's clear that the on-leash-er should give way to the off-leash-er. If the space is primarily used as an on-leash space, it would make more sense for the person working off-leash to go to a space designated for that. 'I've got the right to be doing this' doesn't trump common sense. Just like, it's not common sense to bring a parrot into a food store - doesn't matter how good the parrot might be, it's not where the parrot belongs, regardless of whether or not the law accounts for it.

If I had a real fear of dogs, lived in your apartment complex, and had to pass through the radius of Chopper's 50-ft lead, while you were running him, I'd probably not deal very well with the situation. It wouldn't matter to me what kind of training he has, I'd be uncomfortable. So, here we are, two tenants. Your legal rights probably outstrip mine, but isn't it better to look for a solution that doesn't end in one of us moving out?

in order for a therapy dog to be certified, it has to ignore other dogs and never jump on them or run up to anyone unless called.... so that's questionable anyway
Yeah, public access training or canine good citizenship doesn't count for squat if its not being applied.
 
If I had a real fear of dogs, lived in your apartment complex, and had to pass through the radius of Chopper's 50-ft lead, while you were running him, I'd probably not deal very well with the situation. It wouldn't matter to me what kind of training he has, I'd be uncomfortable. So, here we are, two tenants. Your legal rights probably outstrip mine, but isn't it better to look for a solution that doesn't end in one of us moving out?

You know, I've been trying to deal with exactly that kind of situation with my service dog.

Obviously, like you said, I'd lay down my life for my service dog -- and I've seen her do it for me. Pointing out hidden humans in the dark (one time it turned out to be a snowman -- another time, something the police were looking for and I couldn't have been more thankful for her saving me from that situation), doing alarm barks at certain kinds of wildlife (such as a statue of a tiger :P ), lots of stuff. I know she's safe and so well trained.

But, ironically, I'm scared of dogs. I've been attacked by them, I've seen them attack other dogs, including my dog. I love dogs, but I have such a hard time trusting one, especially if he's barking or running at me.

But I trust my Noodle (endearing nickname of hers) more than anyone.

This weird mix has let me be pretty understanding of situations I've encountered.

There are numerous people who have been in my proximity who needed slight accommodations. In college, I knew another student who was absolutely terrified of my dog. He was scared of all dogs. Several staff members at the university told me in private that unless he was traumatized by a dog, there was no reason for me to accommodate, but that's not true. It really doesn't matter what his reason was -- I could to the best in my ability to not make him have to sit next to that dog. I liked to ask him first what classes we shared, so we could work things out.

Frequently, I have to accommodate allergies. There have been a few people in my area who have horrible, horrible dog allergies. One could work with me fine, but kept his distance. Constantly had his eye on my location -- so I returned the favor and kept away (physically).

There was a student in my high school who was so allergic to dogs that she could die when exposed to them. Once, drug dogs checked our school, and within fifteen minutes she needed a hospital. I'm planning on contacting her before high school reunions happen to see if she's attention (if I am), and if so you bet I'll accomadate that. It'll even weird and make me slightly uncomfortable, but I'd be more uncomfortable if someone died.

I imagine that kind of allergy is incredibly rare.

I did have one person in college overreact a fake allergy because she hated dogs, and was annoyed that one was allowed anywhere. We were originally friends (though she was really, really dude and disapproving of all-things-United States, despite going to school in the US... (the daughter of some Hungarian politician, though her views were so different that she risked being disowned)). But when I began taking my service dog to classes after a serious incident, she began to hate me. She would roll her eyes, get angry, try to tell me I had no rights (she didn't know the laws, somehow?), and declared she had a life-threatening allergy.

At the allergy thing, I thought I understood the intense anger she was having. I was thinking of the high school student. I emailed her through the university system she (copied a trusted dean to witness that I was asking for a meeting), and she ignored them, and all offers to compromise.

If eventually turned out, when she was required by a job to drive me back to my dorm room one night, that she had lied. She insisted that my dog be put into the trunk (it was a big van, my dog just kinda ended up under my seat and she was safe) but clearly didn't not suffer any consequences. She didn't through all our classes and dining hall encounters, either.

So, problem solved. :P
 
I think @Justmehere had a good point, though. There's rights, and then there's practice/practical application, and there's also recognizing that we all inhabit shared space. Even in places where leash laws do not apply - one person working a dog off-leash may not be able to co-exist with another person walking their dog on-leash. Now, in an area designated for off-leash work, it's clear that the on-leash-er should give way to the off-leash-er. If the space is primarily used as an on-leash space, it would make more sense for the person working off-leash to go to a space designated for that. 'I've got the right to be doing this' doesn't trump common sense. Just like, it's not common sense to bring a parrot into a food store - doesn't matter how good the parrot might be, it's not where the parrot belongs, regardless of whether or not the law accounts for it.

He is not off leash!! He has a 50 foot leash on as well as a remote collar which is also a leash. Training off leash does not always mean that the dog is fully off leash. And I said this in the very first post that I made that everyone is taking issue with (ETA: Oh, and again stating that I did not feel comfortable with him fully off leash inside of this timeframe). He has a 50 foot leash on and a remote collar!

ETA: I missed this:

If I had a real fear of dogs, lived in your apartment complex, and had to pass through the radius of Chopper's 50-ft lead, while you were running him, I'd probably not deal very well with the situation. It wouldn't matter to me what kind of training he has, I'd be uncomfortable. So, here we are, two tenants. Your legal rights probably outstrip mine, but isn't it better to look for a solution that doesn't end in one of us moving out?

I'm not going to go through all the reasons I run him where I do. Actually, you already know many of those reasons. I am very conscience of where people and dogs are at all times and if someone is that bothered by it, I stop, hold his leash close to me, until they are gone.

If I could physically drive him some where else to run him I would already be doing that.

I made one statement about the extreme I will go to protect my dog. It has never come to that. Ever. I always grab his leash close my his collar and try to keep the other dog at bay away from Chopper. I don't want to sit here and debate things that I do. Really, I don't. I am not just exercising my right to have him off leash. He's on a leash. The other stuff (other's fear of dogs) is not my issue. If the apartment complex tells me that I need to stop running him where I am then I will. But at the moment that's where he is being ran because that is all I can do at the moment.
 
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The doctor’s office that I mentioned earlier? Even happier ending to that situation.

The doctor sent me a very kind message today. She thanked me for talking to her and outlined the changes she is going to make to keep her dog and everyone else more safe and more comfortable.

We exchanged a few messages and it was actually kind of fun to get to know her a little as a female bussiness owner trying to do her best. She actually wrote that she realized she needed to “take a breath and not be so defensive about dog-related issues.” She explained she was also completely overwhelmed when we talked yesterday because of patients, and that it didn’t excuse her shortness but explained it.

Kudos to her for being so humble in the end.

I wrote her back to say that I was super glad she could know I’m not the enemy and that she spent so much time on it. We shared happy dog stories too. Lol. And I had an uninterrupted PT session today. Yes! :)
 
Another question!

I like to let my service dog be off duty as a regular dog. Though, she doesn't seem to like to pick up toys or pillows on her own. She prefers chase games.

She also apparently prefers digging holes.

I'm not sure what my mom's opinion of her hole digging is. In the past I had to teach N not to, though occasionally she would to catch a mole.

I've gotten more lenient, unsure what my mom's rules are, but now she keeps digging holes right before we need to go in public. The other day, right before dress shopping, my mom let N out (rather than making her wait an hour for a walk) and she dug a hole.

So, I ended up taking her dress shopping (for my little brother's wedding) with a slightly brown nose and very brown paws. Her paws are mostly white, too.

Should I be preventing this? I don't really want to unless it becomes necessary. Thoughts?
 
Talk to your mum about the holes maybe? If it’s not a problem? It’s probably not an issue to worry about.

Tonnes of reasons dogs dig holes, and unless you’re seeing stress in your dog or the dog is trying to escape the yard? None of the reasons dogs usually dog holes are terribly ‘bad’. Burrying stuff, finding stuff, getting a cool place to sleep, having fun, pure habit from their ancestors, etc.

For me and my dog? Giving my dog quality time out, to rest, to play, to exercise? Is not only important to his physical health, it also helps keep his stress levels down. Because if I overwork him, and don’t get him that quality time to balance it out, he does get stressed. It shows in changed behaviour, and changed sleeping and eating habits.
 
Should I be preventing this?

Well, in my opinion anyway, that depends on what you want. In the US anyway, there are grooming standards so I would have found a way to clean her up. I use Bio Silk waterless shampoo and then a wet rag after (or he is sticky) and we use baby wipes. I have them in the car and my bag. I would have wiped off her nose and then at least used boots for her feet. It's just not good to work a dirty service dog. Again, my opinion. My own standards are above the actual standards. But the grooming standards would say she at least needed to not have dirt all over her paws and nose (and I have a mostly white service dog as well so I get the struggle).

What about a kiddy pool filled with play sand for her to dig in? Maybe it will discourage dirt digging but allow her to be her doggie self off duty? Maybe carry baby wipes to wipe her off when she is done? Just a thought.
 
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