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Was my therapist now my best friend

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@Ronin @Sideways You are right I guess it is okay to need her just not act on it so much. It is also a good idea to wait to return her call or text. That way I can think a little more rather than just react. I have been trying to do that. It is also a good idea to let someone else read my text before I send it. I did let my husband read some before and it was sort of humiliating because I was so pathetically needy. I will try those ideas.
 
I just want to help you slightly more with identifying what's uncomfortable about this -- partially because it reminds me of a situation I went through. So... I'll just point out what I noticed.

Obviously these are not things that you need to say in a text message. They're just things to keep in mind, to help you get past this.

We still do but 5 months ago she said she said she felt things were out of balance on her part and needed to spend more time with her family.

This was all her ideas.

To be fair, I just do it that way to be safe. I feel like now she is setting boundaries but I am already stuck in this relationship this way. I feel like I can’t live without this relationship but at the same time I am struggling with it.

These sentences. I'm not sure if there is a specific term for this, but when I was with my ex as "just a friend" with very blurry lines for nearly a decade (long story short), this is EXACTLY how I felt. I thought I was being a good person, by being this girl's friend. She made me do everything, I wasn't allowed to visit my own mother (when I was a child, a teenager more specifically), but most of all -- because she had the most limitations. It was easier for me to bend my responsibilities, my emotions, my thoughts, and my free time. Anything she wanted, I couldn't say no too.

Unlike my friend, yours didn't push everyone you loved away. However, there is a HUGE power imbalance happening here.

Me, as a child -- I got confused. I started believing that I had just been "bad" at making friends, that maybe I'd never had a REAL friend before, because none of them were like this. You, however, have kept other friends and don't seem to have this distortion (yay!). Not exactly, anyway. You do have her on that pedestal. And one thing I've grown to understand is this: That's not friendship.

When I realized I was my friend's therapist instead of her friend? When I didn't feel able to tell her my own feelings, yet she was allowed to dump quite literally every detail of her life onto me -- at any hour, no matter what I had going on? Sure, yours isn't that bad just yet, but this:

I don’t really talk about my stuff anymore.

Reminds me of that, quite a lot. I think we had very different circumstances -- but somehow, a similar, very subtle and maybe even subconscious abuse in common.

You're still sane, so I think you can get out while you still can.

I have a lot of friends and she did not. I talked about all this in therapy and she knew that I would do anything for my friends. My friends are very important to me bc when I was being abused as a kid I always felt so alone and never want to feel that way again.

Again this just happens with her. I have other friends that I am very close to and these feelings don’t come up. With her the feelings are so strong and I know I have to be strong.

So great that you have other friends, and know that they are your friends. I'm very happy about this for you.

That the feelings are so strong, as everyone else already told you and you already agreed to, is bad news. It sounds like you have healthy friendships.

And, if you feel like she is building boundaries? Look at what you wrote again -- especially at what I quoted. She decided all these things to do, not you. It really feels like you were vulnerable and she maybe not even on purpose took advantage of that. You were the one who needed this early boundaries -- and even her own boundaries come off as somewhat strange in this context: why was she spending so much time with you that she wasn't spending enough time with her family? Why hasn't she asked you about your life? Why hasn't she thought about the fact that you have a life of your own -- to the basic extent of what you're feeling about this?

If you text her and she had many excuses and explanations, that's fine. But it's more of a reason to move on. Her understanding of what's going on may be helpful *if* you decide to give it, but does not mend the friendship in this context.


I have a feeling that she may have been avoiding talking about you to overcorrect you not being her client. I obviously can't know this for sure, but if this is it, then this shows that both of you were a little uncomfortable, to say the least.




I hope any part of this was helpful -- and good luck. I wish you much strength
 
@littleoc That was so helpful.
I think when it first began I was worried bc I felt “there has to something wrong with herbif she is doing this and she is a therapist”. Plus you are totally right, sorry I don’t know how to do the quote thing. I have a husband, kids, friends, Work and activities that I am a part of. I was over her house, sleeping over, spending exorbitant amounts of time with her and her family. I couldn’t say no if she asked me to come hang. I stayed at their beach house for a week, we went on vacations together. It was a lot but she was the one arranging it all. 5 months ago when she changed some things bc she felt out of balance. It was after I had gone on a trip to France with another one of my friends. I was actually worried about going on the trip to Paris bc I was worried it would change my relationship with my ex therapist. Anyway, when things changed I really had a hard time and basically begged her (I’m totally humiliated by this) and she really did nothing so I had to back off a bit. It was really a terrible time for me. My sister and husband really stepped up bc I was a mess. The relationship never ended but we didn’t see each other as much. Then it started back again a month later. It’s back to seeing each other weekly and talking daily. She says she loves me and I sadly need this. I am trying but if she calls and needs me I go no questions asked.
 
Wow. I've been following this thread and there are so many people who have commented with intelligence and sensitivity.

@Bird333 this relationship is not healing for you. That's my biggest concern here. Relational based therapy - healing old wounds - is the key. When you are paying a professional to do this it's not that you are paying for their care and their friendship. You are paying them to hold the line, to be aware of their countertransference, to be empathetic of your transference, to help you heal your pain and not to have their own needs met. Your ex-therapist needs to go to therapy. Period. I have so so so much respect for my psychologist and yes, she is probably someone I could relate to really well had we met in different circumstances. But I desperately need her to hold MY pain without dumping hers on me. Sometimes she reveals something about herself or "seeks advice" about an area of my expertise but it's always about building a trusting relationship or building my ego. I'm a scientist, you see, so I can step back, see what she's doing and yet embrace it nonetheless.

You deserve better. And it sounds like you have some significant people in your life who would like to step up. Let them. Please.
 
@MyWillow You are totally right. Everyone has been so helpful. I believe this is a transference counter transference dynamic in play and I have read so much about both topics. They only explain what it is not how to break the cycle. I know I keep saying this but the pull is so strong and I can break it for a short time but then inevitably fail.
 
Maybe you need someone else who can be a (breaker) for you? So when your ex therapist calls (it's like a siren's song)...You must tell this person and they can help you to not go rushing over or agreeing to anything.

It sounds silly but if you are so sure you cannot handle this on your own by simply declining and slowly letting the relationship pass on...you need another person who can help you.

Also...after you returned from France was your ex-therapist paying you out for going away with somebody else? If so, @MyWillow is correct. She needs a therapist.
 
@blackemerald1 i know it’s messed up but part of me is ambivalent about giving up the relationship. There are good things about it too. We have a lot in common, we have fun together. I do really care about her. I guess there is the part of me that knows it is wrong too. I know I’m so confused.
It is a good idea to have someone help me with the calls. It’s just that I don’t really talk about it with my husband to much anymore. It was really humiliating and only came out the first time bc I was such a mess and that is completely unusual for me. I showed him the texts and he was surprised by my neediness.

When I was in France with my other friend my ex therapist was texting me the entire time there and was missing me. We planned a night out together when I came back. When I did return immediately it changed. I don’t know if it was coincidence or not.
 
Dear Bird33,

I feel for you because I have also been in situations where I have been controlled by someone.

I am worried on your behalf. This is seriously controlling and unhealthy. So you got to take a trip to France with another friend, and your ex-t thinks "how dare she take a wonderful trip without me! I'll show her! I'll brush her off when she gets back. She'll have to beg me to talk to her!" And guess what -it worked.

I'm sorry -I gotta call b*lls**t on your ex-t. She has a strong upper hand, due to the trust that understandably placed in her back when she was your t. And now she has you on a short leash to meet her needs while disregarding yours. That is Manipulative with a capital M. Someone who cares about you doesn't treat you like that. Does anyone else here feel that "RUN!" is the proper advice? Life is screaming at me on your behalf! RUN!

It can be hard to end (or taper off, as others have said ) a situation which is so emotional. I know. In my case, I tried several times and failed, before I finally cut off phone and email contact. I thought I was going to die. Instead I found peace. I found myself again.

Remember, someone that is triggering you emotionally and using it to make demands of you is UN healthy. Run. RUN!
 
@ SunAndMoon Yes, that the way I felt after coming back from the trip. I felt it was bc of that that the relationship changed.
It is so hard bc of the whole dynamic.
Could you tell me what made you stop the relationship for good and how you did it?
 
I have had several relationships like this- feeling inextricably drawn to a person believing (subconsciously) at the time that they could save me. I would do anything they asked, could not imagine living without them. They came before family. How they felt about me mattered more than anything else. I believe it’s a young attach part that clings to someone we believe can rescue us. And the thing is, that young part NEEDS to know she is safe. But you are the one that has to do that. Unfortunately there are people who want to help but are not at the place in their healing journey where they can help. So they end up controlling and hurting others by keeping them dependent to feed their own needs. As @UnicornSightings has said, the “spell” won’t be broken until you have distanced yourself. It is painful. But what has happened for me in one of those relationships was that after a few years, we became friends again and i didn’t feel that weird draw anymore. We were equals. And I could see her for who she was and didn’t desire for her to save me. Be prepared for those urges to jump from person to person until you learn to tune into your attach part’s need.
 
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