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Relationship I'm So Nervous, Trying to Act Like I'm Not

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NaeNae75

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So, we are going to finally catch up tiday and have brunch. I'm so excited and terrified. On one hand, I just want to enjoy each other's company, but I also want to see what's all going on and figure out what to expect.

Even just sitting this out right now it's helping me calm down. The reality is, if he's being with me today, it's the first step of him coming out and being able to slowly engage. So really, the last thing I want to do is scare him off.

But for crying out loud, I miss him. I miss his son.....and honestly, I want to feel loved. I still need to really believe that this doesn't invalidate who I am. But in the middle of it, it's hard to see to the safe edges and not panic and start drowning. My body is sore from treading water, and I don't think there's enough to make it to shore.

Maybe what I need is to float for now, until I'm strong enough to swim. I just hope I don't get eaten alive by something or have a wave hit me in the meantime.

It's been a month today. Only a month, but it feels like forever. I don't know if I need advice or not, but I think I need support...gaggles of it.

I want to react perfectly so that he'll magically be better and want me around again. I know it doesn't work that way, but I really am tired. I'm so excited to actually spend time with him that I'm afraid I'll screw it all up. Yikes!
 
@Freida, have you ever told your husband that you're not capable of being in a relationship? How did he react? How long did it take you to "come around"? What was he doing in the interim?

He told me he had nothing but warm loving feelings about me, but he isn't capable of being involved with anyone romantically. He said he is avoiding doing things with me because he doesn't want to get into patterns or give me false hope, .because he doesn't know if that will ever be fixed in him.

So, I have to accept the "breakup" .because he's clearly in no place to be in a relationship. He said work was really rough lately and that his back hurts again. He mentioned his son is struggling in school again too, and they're focusing on that. I also noticed he's unshaven and his hair is long for him. I hate he's not letting me help.

He's starting EMDR today and I asked if he knows what they're starting with or not. He said they're going to start with the trauma regarding his ex wife. I don't think he understands how it can be because he has all of these plans for this afternoon and this weekend.

He's heading back up north to his parents again this weekend. He plans on leaving tonight after his EMDR. Is a 1.5 drive home to get his son and then a 4.5 hour drive back up north to their house. His dad is still in rough shape and needs help, so he's going to do that. He's worried about their mortality and wants suddenly for his son to foster a relationship with them before they're gone.

I'm sad I don't get to go. I love his parents too. I hate all of this right now. I don't know what to do. I'm struggling. It's clear he's not healthy enough for a relationship right now, but I love him and don't want to leave either. I wish I knew if this is temporary like normal, and if the combo of the stress cup and new therapy is too much for him right now... ...or is this the new reality...I wish I knew.

I wish he knew. I'm hurting today. It hurts to be pushed away...I'm not throwing 9 years of a good relationship away...and I hate having it ripped out of my hands with no choice.
 
Oh yeah, and it hurts like hell that he's not experiencing the pain of it. He's made damn sure he's numb, and won't admit that's what he is doing. I wonder if he's bothered to realize that is that it's going on.

I hate that I have zero control over this. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm tired of not feeling worthy to have love. I'm mad at myself for wondering why I make sure I'm with other damaged people.

If I knew it mattered ....and he'll get better, I wouldn't care about him being absent right now. But I don't want to be in denial or be pathetic. I'm questioning what is healthy. Now what do I do?

How annoying to be told he loves me, likes my company, and that he has nothing but warm feelings about me, but that he doesn't know if he can be around me so he doesn't lead me on in case he can't get back to the place of being able to have romantic feelings again.

Doesn't he realize it's normal to not always have romantic feelings? That it's the connection and "warm" feelings that really count?! I'd give up romance forever for the way I know he loves me. But that doesn't get to be my choice. Why don't I have a damn say? So now what? Man, I need a nap
 
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Were replies deleted? I can’t see anyone but the OP in here.

Anyway..... My boyfriend knows I go numb. I’m still dealing with numbing, but it isn’t constant.

He knows about feeling feelings and then being numb and not feeling feelings, but knowing inside that you do love someone. Right now I’m in a period of knowing that I love him even if I can’t feel it.

It really does take understanding on both sides.....a sufferer who understands that numbness comes and goes but that doesn’t mean love dies.....a supporter who can understand that sometimes we go numb, but that doesn’t mean the love is dead.

I see so many sufferers who leave when the numbness first sets in and it breaks my heart because it doesn’t have to be this way.

I can’t help but wonder if those who run are hooked on that “infatuation” aka “in love” feeling don’t understand that love is deeper? Old me would have run as soon as that feeling died, but now, SEEING how my guy loves me, I know that love is so much more than that damn feeling.

I didn’t easily get to a place of being able to think my feelings. It took a long time....but now life is a little easier because I’m not ruled by whether or not I can feel. Feelings exist even if I can’t feel them.
 
That's a very interesting reply. We've been together a long time now, and he definitely uses numbing as a self preservation technique. I don't know why he hasn't learned now, that's it's an ebb and flow. Honestly lack of "romantic feelings " even happens to the "normies". It's just part of being in a relationship, especially a long term one.
I found out today that he's starting with dealing with his relationship with his abusive ex. So it is logical to me that he's going to feel less safe for feelings, especially romantic ones.

I totally understand that this is hard for him right now. But I don't understand the need to break up. It irritates me more, because I think he takes advantage of the fact that I don't leave. He just wants things to be at his place and for me to keep proving myself by waiting.

If I choose not to wait and move on, well, than he gets to know that he broke up with me and it was obviously the right decision. No matter what, he comes out "safe" and all of the insecurity is put into me.

If I stay, I'm the one taking a chance of being hurt, and he gets to do whatever he wants. If I go, he's already told me to, so he can be relieved about his decision. But, I'm hurt either way.

He gets to set the rules. He decides what we do or don't do and when. This allows him to be hands off to putting in effort. I honestly wonder how he would feel if I found someone else. Would it even hurt him? Because after 9 years, I'd be hurt. I asked him if he was feeling any angst about all if this, he shrugged ....and said not really.
Seriously?! Well of course not, because he's numb, made this decision, and I didn't leave so he gets to process how ever he wants to.
He told me flat out he's having a rough week, and really the whole month has been, including problems at work.
The reality is, he's shut me out for a long time. Intimacy doesn't exist anymore. I love him and enjoy his company, but I'm really close to giving him what he is wishing for.

I don't know if that means just being friends, or of it means going no contact for now. I know he hasn't asked me to leave his life, but I don't think everything can always be in just his terms. I honestly just enjoy being around him, but I have to find some new boundaries, I think.
 
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@Freida, have you ever told your husband that you're not capable of being in a relationship? How did he react? How long did it take you to "come around"? What was he doing in the interim?
Yes, but my number one way of coping has always been workaholic so I didn't have time to put it into play. I always had to many things lined up that I needed to do first. It was kind of a double edge sword -- I would want to split up but would be to busy to actually do anything about it. Plus we did marriage counseling which helped
He's starting EMDR today and I asked if he knows what they're starting with or not. He said they're going to start with the trauma regarding his ex wife. I don't think he understands how it can be because he has all of these plans for this afternoon and this weekend.
He has no idea what he is in for. NONE. No matter how people tried to prepare me -- it is awful on levels I never could have imagined. I have a friend who just started Tuesday and she called me today in tears asking when the pain would stop. Had to tell her it doesn't but it will lessen and she get better at coping. But it still, even after two years, puts me into isolation for at least 24 hours. I hate to say it, but if hes already in isolation mode doing emdr is probably going to push him further away
Doesn't he realize it's normal to not always have romantic feelings? That it's the connection and "warm" feelings that really count?! I'd give up romance forever for the way I know he loves me. But that doesn't get to be my choice. Why don't I have a damn say? S
Nope -- if he is numb he may not have a clue.
He gets to set the rules. He decides what we do or don't do and when.
This ^^^^ is wrong. I get to make decisions for ME. Not us. Then hubby gets to decide if he is willing to live with the decisions I make. If I make bad ones? Then I have to live with the consequences. And one of those consequences may be losing him. But that is on ME. Not him. When we set rules we do them together. We are a team. If I decide to bail and refuse to do anything to fix it? Then I can't be surprised if he walks away
I don't know if that means just being friends, or of it means going no contact.
go no contact. Because if he pushes you to this outcome he doesn't deserve to have you in his life. This is the part I'm struggling with reading about him. Even being numb, being a workaholic, all the other crap, I still have to think about the others in my life. If I'm not capable of feeling for them then I need to leave them alone. Not this back and forth crap hes doing to you.

It may take you leaving for him to get his head out of his ass. And it make take you leaving for you to get some distance and see that how he is treating you is not ok -- ptsd or no ptsd. And it makes me very sad for both of you :hug:
 
He has no idea what he is in for. NONE. No matter how people tried to prepare me -- it is awful on levels I never could have imagined. I have a friend who just started Tuesday and she called me today in tears asking when the pain would stop. Had to tell her it doesn't but it will lessen and she get better at coping. But it still, even after two years, puts me into isolation for at least 24 hours. I hate to say it, but if hes already in isolation mode doing emdr is probably going to push him further away

So, he just sent me a message that it went good and he's doing "okay". I can't help but wonder if he was even invested in it or not based on him having so much stuff planned. Maybe he's trying to make me not worry, who knows.

go no contact. Because if he pushes you to this outcome he doesn't deserve to have you in his life. This is the part I'm struggling with reading about him. Even being numb, being a workaholic, all the other crap, I still have to think about the others in my life. If I'm not capable of feeling for them then I need to leave them alone. Not this back and forth crap hes doing to you.

It may take you leaving for him to get his head out of his ass. And it make take you leaving for you to get some distance and see that how he is treating you is not ok -- ptsd or no ptsd. And it makes me very sad for both of you :hug:

Oh boy, that scares the living crap out of me, lol! It would be the hardest thing in the world for me...I don't know if I can yet or not. Maybe I should try for the weekend if nothing else... then see how I feel from there. I don't understand.

He told me: I feel nothing but warm feelings and love for you. I love spending time with you, but I don't know if I can ever get better and I don't want to hold you back.

I guess he didn't say anything crappy, but I've got so much other crap going, that I just can't handle it this second. Like he was so cold and turned off... you could just see he's numb. I guess the only reason I'm thinking of going NC is that it hurt like hell that he said he's not conflicted. He said he can't see that he'll ever be able to have feelings for anyone ever again, ....and he's broken... that's why he doesn't want me to be his gf... but he does "love" me and respects me more than anyone he's ever known. All was said with not much more expression than Eeyore.
I don't know...I think I'm still hung up over some outside people and I'm having a really rough week with a work acquaintance getting killed and fights with my dad... bad one's. The kind that makes me not like myself. He's the biggest ass in my life.

Add far as him making decisions, I only mean the breaking up part. He doesn't force anything on me... maybe that's rhetoric from being hurt and not necessarily fair.

I think Im a big ball of hurt right now... ....and my T is making me do homework on my past "attack" because I got triggered about it in group last week, so I'm kind of a basket case myself right now. As some of the ranting is probably showing.


Is it possible that this numbing is where the disconnect is? He's also keeping himself extraordinarily busy. Like to the point of zero sleep. His job, OT at work, blogging, helping his son with homework more than usual, projects at home, stock market analysis, Amazon reselling...etc... all too avoid the outside world.
 
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He said he can't see that he'll ever be able ti have feelings for anyone ever again,
ahhhh.... no feelings for ANYONE. Not just no feeling for you.
I think I'm still hung up over some outside people and I'm having a really rough week with a work acquaintance getting killed and fights with my dad... bad one's. The kind that makes me not like myself. He's the biggest ass in my life.
I think Im a big ball of hurt right now... ....and my T is making me do homework on my past "attack" because I got triggered about it in group last week, so I'm kind of a basket case myself right now. As some of the ranting is probably showing.

Oh good god - No wonder you are so stressed. And yep -- just when you could use his support the most he bails on ya. That. Sucks. So maybe thoughts about what is going to happen in the future with him should be back burnered until you get a chance to deal with your own stress in the present? Not being snarky honest--- I'm genuinely concerned. That is a ton of bad for anyone to deal with -- adding wondering if your relationship is going to fail is just ..... wow.. way to much. I think maybe some self care is long overdue :hug:
Is it possible that this numbing is where the disconnect is? He's also keeping himself extraordinarily busy. Like to the point of zero sleep. His job, OT at work, blogging, helping his son with homework more than usual, projects at home, stock market analysis, Amazon reselling...etc... all too avoid the outside world.
LOL you just described the last 20 years of my life. Workaholics have no time left for these things called feeeeelllings. But yea, I know when I go down that rabbit hole it's easy to ignore the people in my life and replace them with "tasks." And it usually happens when I'm at a point where I just can't handle the real world anymore. It's one of those questions supporters ask all the time -- how can they act so normal in the real world and yet be so distant to me?
Because you can fake it in the real world.

Self care!! Take care of you!!! :hug:
 
Oh good god - No wonder you are so stressed. And yep -- just when you could use his support the most he bails on ya. That. Sucks. So maybe thoughts about what is going to happen in the future with him should be back burnered until you get a chance to deal with your own stress in the present? Not being snarky honest--- I'm genuinely concerned. That is a ton of bad for anyone to deal with -- adding wondering if your relationship is going to fail is just ..... wow.. way to much. I think maybe some self care is long overdue :hug:

I didn't detect an ounce of snark. He's gone this weekend, he texted he made it safely - thankfully because his son is with him. So, this means since I know he's safe at his parents, I should be able to focus back to getting my crap together. I have so much stuff that got out of hand to get back to. Getting my home and work stuff back in order is really good self care for me. The physical aspects of it especially.

Plus order is nice. It looks like chaos right now, and I can't handle it! I'm disappointed in myself for getting so spun out of control. I'm still a little panicked because I'm doing stuff different on purpose this time.

I'm terrified of what it will mean if he doesn't come back. History does dictate he will, but we're both trying different stuff this time, mainly because of both of us being in therapy. I'm praying that his therapist isn't pushing him to be alone while he's in therapy and doing his EMDR.
I know my therapist never did, but that always scares me.

When he's in a bad place he makes our relationship sound codependent. It isn't, especially when he's not symptomatic... we both lead separate lives while we do our "together" stuf too. Our relationship, overall, is good and healthy... as healthy as it can be with two PTSDers.lol. We're very respectful of each other. We're family. He's sweet and nurturing and gentle, too me and "our" kids. He works so hard... probably too hard. So I hate it when he can only see the bad or really invents the bad. (Distorted cognition)

I guess the fact he says he has warm thoughts of me while he's so numb is hopefully a good sign. I hate the universe for him having to feel like he needs to be numb to be safe. It sucks because we love each other, but he can't feel it right now because he can't feel anything. I know what that's like.

He said that he's felt closed off ever since his friend died this spring in the helicopter crash. He's also talking about his father's mortality a lot lately. He's very afraid of it. His father had cataract and shoulder surgery but he's convinced his dad doesn't have much time left. It makes sense he doesn't want to loseanything else, so to speak. I guess at least.

I used to be numb to the world because it was too painful to feel. I still struggle with it sometimes, like now. I hurts so bad to feel this. Part of me says, just go numb so you don't have to hurt, because when you hurt, you start going back to the past. But the part of me that is trusting in my therapy is screaming no. Because then you'll never give your granddaughter the healthy life she deserves. If you go numb, then everything might fall apart. Be a good little Catholic girl and suffer.

I want to get rid of all of the pain, but I'm not willing to give up all of the rest. Not right now. So I'm completely exhausted. It's taking all of me to deal with the shit storm I left my life become. Wow....major tangent and off track... but I'm not going to delete it, I think I need to honor it as my feelings.

I guess maybe to keep myself safe for right now, I'll think of it as a new deployment. I was with him right after his second and during his last one of the 3 he's had. I took care of his son while he was gone when I could get his mother ti let me take him. Honestly, it's eerily similar. I'm trying to keep everything together here while he's off fighting a war. (In his mind) I'm taking care of the kids and whatever else I can. I'm worried about what it will mean if he doesn't come home. Yep... similar, but harder in some ways easier in others.

Easier because I know, for the most part, he's "safe", so that's the most important difference. But if he doesn't get rid of the numb, he's dead inside and won't be able to feel love. So it will be our great romance that will perish instead.

Harder because he's physically "right there". Also, the level of support and understanding from society as a whole is virtually nonexistent. People hold you in high esteem when you're supporting your "man", staying faithful and loyal to him through deployment.

But when you support them when their behavior isn't perfect or in line with what society deems healthy and normal, they chastise you. Outside of here, very few people are willing to listen with an open mind. So like with that "support" group I went to, I get the opposite of support. So when when you try to be diligent about self care, you are still lost in an abyss of lonely. There are very few willing to empathize.

Honestly, through his deployment, ....and other "breakups" I was fine. I'm excellent at staying busy and occupied. I also have been comfortable with the limited amount of contact being enough for me, because it existed. He was detached, but not gone. He isn't gone now either, but a deeper level of detached than normal.

I just have a hard time with "the world" and their "opinion ". I guess I care about their opinion because I know I'm not always healthy, so I defer to what some norms are. I ask professionals for their opinion on what is healthy. But I'm learning the hard way that isn't working for me. So now I'm left with the self talk that I'm not capable of being healthy and I'm a fraud, so why bother?


LOL you just described the last 20 years of my life. Workaholics have no time left for these things called feeeeelllings. But yea, I know when I go down that rabbit hole it's easy to ignore the people in my life and replace them with "tasks."

Oh, I'm also guilty as charged. Im probably a worse work a holic than he is. That has been my go to survival mode since I was in elementary. I was determined to be perfect to show all of "them" they were wrong. I was desperately searching to show them and me I was worthy. But I could never meet perfect, so I felt less and less worthy. Behind that I never slept, got straight A's, worked to support my own stuff, kept everything spotless, etc....I was still amused and treated like a nothing. So I numbed and accepted my life wasn't worth anything except for too be a servant. It was my job to take care of everything for everyone, because you (I) would get noticed and praised once in a while. Like I was a working animal on a farm, a beast of burden as it were. So it didn't matter how I was treated because I was livestock.
K is the first person to really make me look beyond that in myself. He helped me see the light and supported me to get the treatment I desperately needed. When I had brain surgery, he was there everythin when not 1 person from my family of origin was. He brought my son's to see me.
But now that he's suffering, they all want me to leave him to suffer alone. I don't know that I can. I'm going to live and trust him enough to do his own work... .so it means something to him. But I can't just not be an ear or shoulder. I can't let his son suffer the isolation without trying to help him. What would that say about me? I can protect myself without being selfish. That's what I want to try to do.

But you're right, I can only be successful if I handle my own health first. So that's where I'll start.
 
but I'm not going to delete it, I think I need to honor it as my feelings.
I love this! And so very proud of you for leaving it!

you really are stuck in a tough place - and having to wait for him totally sucks (and is a really, really good lesson for me for when I forget there are other people involved in my life)

I really, really hope he gets his head out of his ass.....
 
That's a very interesting reply. We've been together a long time now, and he definitely uses numbing as a self preservation technique. I don't know why he hasn't learned now, that's it's an ebb and flow. Honestly lack of "romantic feelings " even happens to the "normies". It's just part of being in a relationship, especially a long term one.
I found out today that he's starting with dealing with his relationship with his abusive ex. So it is logical to me that he's going to feel less safe for feelings, especially romantic ones.

I totally understand that this is hard for him right now. But I don't understand the need to break up. It irritates me more, because I think he takes advantage of the fact that I don't leave. He just wants things to be at his place and for me to keep proving myself by waiting.

If I choose not to wait and move on, well, than he gets to know that he broke up with me and it was obviously the right decision. No matter what, he comes out "safe" and all of the insecurity is put into me.

If I stay, I'm the one taking a chance of being hurt, and he gets to do whatever he wants. If I go, he's already told me to, so he can be relieved about his decision. But, I'm hurt either way.

He gets to set the rules. He decides what we do or don't do and when. This allows him to be hands off to putting in effort. I honestly wonder how he would feel if I found someone else. Would it even hurt him? Because after 9 years, I'd be hurt. I asked him if he was feeling any angst about all if this, he shrugged ....and said not really.
Seriously?! Well of course not, because he's numb, made this decision, and I didn't leave so he gets to process how ever he wants to.
He told me flat out he's having a rough week, and really the whole month has been, including problems at work.
The reality is, he's shut me out for a long time. Intimacy doesn't exist anymore. I love him and enjoy his company, but I'm really close to giving him what he is wishing for.

I don't know if that means just being friends, or of it means going no contact for now. I know he hasn't asked me to leave his life, but I don't think everything can always be in just his terms. I honestly just enjoy being around him, but I have to find some new boundaries, I think.

I’m sorry my reply wasn’t helpful. I just tried to reply based on how I experience things.
 
It was, @EveHarrington ! Im sorry if that got lost in the way I spoke. I think, honestly I understand what you're saying and agree. I think he's been numb for awhile, but every so often he feels guilty. I also think it got way more in his face with therapy starting, his friend moving in, and his anniversary time coming around.

It's hard to be in a constant numb. I did it for years. Part of me wants to be numb and dissociate right now...but the one thing keeping me "here" is how much good stuff my granddaughter makes me feel. She won't be little forever, ....and she brings me so much joy I can't numb to get rid of the pain....

I don't know for him, how he's feeling, .because he's in a place he needs to be withdrawn from me right now. I think he too logically knows he loves me, but isn't capable of feeling it right now. He's overwhelmed with everything, so I have to let him do his thing.

I think you're very kind with your response and sharing your experience.
 
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