News Doctor-Assisted Death For Those Living With Ptsd

[shimmerz]

Maybe if he went he went to discuss his right to die with a "professional suicide consultant" in a private setting the gravity of that choice would've been more apparent to him.

Or better still, perhaps the professional would have steered him/her towards real help from society. Honestly, I deal with a ton of people in situations that would drive one to want to take their own lives due to the hopelessness of their situation. What they need - as do people in severe states of trauma/healing, generally are tangible supports. Make sure they have Maslow's needs covered and good therapy and generally they can pull it together.

A terminal disease is something altogether different. I do believe that people should be allowed to end suffering early.

 

[Justmehere]

Personally, if a doctor is going to milk my insurance company for years by slowly killing me with psychiatric medication that nobody really knows the long term effects of why would they suddenly feel bad when I requested to be euthanized?

I don’t know of a single medical provider that goes into that difficult field in order to slowly kill people for financial gain. Where does this thought come from? Are you sure the only accurate interpretation of the intent behind doctors prescribing medications for those with mental illness is to slowly kill them for financial gain, and no other intent or goal?

Are you ok with others dying of inadequately treated or cured mental illness?

Why would a health care provider not be concerned about people dying? Even those health care providers helping terminal cancer patients get affected by those deaths. It’s asking a lot of health care providers to ask they have no feelings for patients choosing death over life. I believe it’s expecting them to be devoid of humanity.

I’m not sure we need more of that in the world.

 

[EveHarrington]

I would not participate in human euthanasia because I took a vow to do no harm.

Much of the time it’s downright CRUEL to let people die naturally. I had a relative who literally wasted away to nothing, starving and dehydrating away to skin and bones until he finally died. It took quite some time to happen. This is commonplace in the American health world. Doing no harm? We treat stray dogs better. Please don’t fall back on the “do no harm” mantra because it’s just an excuse to fall back on religion (ie all life is sacred even if you have the shittiest most painful existence imaginable).

 

[Chris-duck]

I'm a nurse, and I'm pro euthanasia for terminal illnesses, and undecided for life limiting illnesses (Including MH shit), but saying that I'd find it -really- hard to actually be a part of. Like I'm not sure I'd be able to cope that great with it if I ever ended up being a part of euthanising somebody. And that's when I do fully agree it should be legal and a thing.

 

[Abstract]

Like I'm not sure I'd be able to cope

Its a very important consideration isn't it? Others needs and suffering is very important. Yours is too. Not sure how they deal with this issue in places that offer euthanasia. It seems above and beyond what anyone should be obliged to do.

 

[Chris-duck]

I think usually the rule is the person needs to be able to do it themselves? And people just make the stuff available? I looked it up a while back, and I think that was one of the rules for being accepted. Because doctors aren't allowed to kill someone, cos it needs to be the persons choice the whole way or something?

But still. I've had terminally ill people die "unexpectedly" (Like a couple weeks early or whatever) and beat myself up about it, so.. :laugh:

 

[Friday]

Please don’t fall back on the “do no harm” mantra because it’s just an excuse to fall back on religion (ie all life is sacred even if you have the shittiest most painful existence imaginable).

It’s an oath, not an excuse.

That’s like saying marriage vows are just an excuse, f*ck around at will. Or an oath to protect & defend just an excuse, kill at leisure.

Your word might have no value, but some people take their commitments seriously, and actually keep their promises.

Or have you never actually made a vow, taken an oath, or killed anyone... whilst demanding other people break theirs? Easy to mock, belittle, and deride something you’ve never done.

 

[Abstract]

've had terminally ill people die "unexpectedly" (Like a couple weeks early or whatever) and beat myself up about it,

Probably indicates you, unlike many other people, should be doing what you are doing. As you care. People need people looking after them that care.

Now that you say it, I remember. Yes, the person needs to be able to do it themselves. It wouldn't be fair on anyone otherwise.

The irony of course is what Eve referred to. The main way around this that health professionals presently use. Where the person is starved of food or fluids until they die. Passive supposedly but torturous and not very human of us. Assuming that would be some dr's call. Better them than me. Then at that point as an alternative we are talking about actively taking someones life. Again better someone else than me.

 

[Chris-duck]

Um, we don't starve or dehydrate people til they die.. Like not in wards I've been in anyway.. I can't speak for other places.

 

[Abstract]

Good to know. I have a friend who's father was at a point where he couldn't feed himself and wasn't going to recover. He was also do not resuscitate. Therefore fluids and nutrition where stopped. I know a good handful of people who have experienced something similar. It is a slow process and horrific for those watching and I can only imagine so too for those experiencing it. Not saying I have a better answer.

 

[Chris-duck]

Yeah, I've heard from a bunch of people that it's happened, but I've never done it/witnessed it. Like I believe it happens, I wasn't doubting you, just yeah, I don't

 

[Abstract]

I believe being nourished and hydrated when not able to physically do it oneself is considered artificially sustaining life. Those are the ethics behind it. I believe my friends father took about 2 weeks to die. My friend was pretty traumatised as a result of watching it.