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Because---If you were a sociopath or waaay out there on the nut-job scale, you wouldn't be having all these thoughts about what you did or what others feel about it! Boom, not crazy, not at all, just a caring, thoughtful human.
yet another thing I need to remind myself!
This is what I tell the Marine and it seems to register with him too, until he pulls out his can of self-hatred again and around we go....To all you sufferers, yes, self-forgiveness is huuuuge!
Honestly it helps to know your guy is as big of a dork as I am! and yep -- that's kind of exactly how it happens with me. I get convinced that I'm not a monster by my ever patient supporters (including the ever patient ones here! :laugh:) and then it's like a light goes out in my brain and I'm right back in "They can't find out!!!" mode.

Part of this, I think, is that we aren't always very good at reading people.
yep. Or I'm doing that whole mind reading thing -- where I'm just sure I know what they are thinking, because as @Woundedhealer said -- I havent reached forgiveness yet. Ergo - they must not be able to forgive me either.

The frustrating thing about all of this is that I know damn well when I'm in the supporter role it makes me nuts when people do this crap! Talk about a hypocrite :laugh:

I also want to add that once you forgive yourself for whatever you did or didn’t do, then others reactions whether it be supportive or not won’t matter anymore cause YOUVE decided that it’s just a part of your past, and part of who you are TODAY!
I keep coming back to this......

I do try to listen (can't retain crap but I try!) when my supporters yammer at me about not being at fault, not being the bad guy, blah blah.
But
It's like they just don't ......que dramatic music.... KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!! dum de dum dumm." :banghead:

Any thoughts on when you have been able to get thru to your sufferer to get them out of that cycle? That I can pass on to mine IRL? So maybe I don't make them quite as nuts?

Did ya ever think you would end up supporting the unseen supporters of the sufferer?? :laugh:
 
yet another thing I need to remind myself!

Honestly it helps to know your guy is as big of a dork as I am! and yep -- that's kind of exactly how it happens with me. I get convinced that I'm not a monster by my ever patient supporters (including the ever patient ones here! :laugh:) and then it's like a light goes out in my brain and I'm right back in "They can't find out!!!" mode.


yep. Or I'm doing that whole mind reading thing -- where I'm just sure I know what they are thinking, because as @Woundedhealer said -- I havent reached forgiveness yet. Ergo - they must not be able to forgive me either.

The frustrating thing about all of this is that I know damn well when I'm in the supporter role it makes me nuts when people do this crap! Talk about a hypocrite :laugh:


I keep coming back to this......

I do try to listen (can't retain crap but I try!) when my supporters yammer at me about not being at fault, not being the bad guy, blah blah.
But
It's like they just don't ......que dramatic music.... KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!! dum de dum dumm." :banghead:

Any thoughts on when you have been able to get thru to your sufferer to get them out of that cycle? That I can pass on to mine IRL? So maybe I don't make them quite as nuts?

Did ya ever think you would end up supporting the unseen supporters of the sufferer?? :laugh:

Yeah Freida, that's the cognitive distortion shit-ton-o-fun talking. Picturing this as a light going out helps me visualize how it feels to Marine.

If you haven't read Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" I highly recommend. It was like salve, gospel for my wounded brain when I was recovering from PTSD five years ago. Every word that man writes is like an ax that chips away at PTSD's wicked effort to deep six normal thinking!

The crazy thing is, as a supporter who's recovered from PTSD, how is it so hard for me to support now I ask myself? Maybe because I'm ready to LIVE and it irritates the crap out of me that he refuses help, for 18 years he has chosen self-hatred, that is a loooong time. When you recover, you feel as though you can do anything, you feel so much joy it's like a drug, you want to share the secret formula!!

Sometimes I feel like a hypocrite because of this, it's its own catch 22 being both sufferer and supporter....I think the thing that frustrates me most with M is his refusal to take healing seriously. I want to yell "fight to live Marine!" but I know this is his experience and it's unfamiliar battle ground, and he is fighting in the best way he can. All of our experiences are different. So many here are working so hard at it, humbly, and he's going to crack his own nut seriously with stupid pride; his health is declining and he's working himself into a grave.

I remember when it had a hold of me, I got to a point that I stopped trying to hold the lid on and got outside of my own head for just long enough (thanks in part to Mr. Tolle) to design myself a 'program' to exorcise the monster. I decided to rip the lid off the shit pot and dump the goo out and a spent nearly a year filling the pot back up with healthy stuff. Every single step was like walking on glass and I begged every time I opened my eyes for the pain to be gone, nope. Every second of awake HURT. Like my head was in a blender, panic, nightmares the whole shit-kit.

I finally quit a stressful six-figure job that was making it all worse and that day, wandering around saying holy wow what have I done, but sort of relieved, I passed a yoga studio so I joined it, I started a blog soon after, I journaled, I skydived, I took horseback lessons, I hiked, kayaked, cried, some days slept all day and hugged the dog till he was sick of me, I read Eckhart and every article I could about PTSD, learned about experiences of others. When I felt good enough six months later, I took a new job with DOD and met lots of vets recovering who shared experiences, that helped bring me the rest of the way.

For me, it helped to reframe PTSD as a beast to be slain, or like a tumor - not a part of me but something that'd attached itself to me. One night I had a dream I was a caged tiger in a circus cage. I was battering myself against the bars roaring trying to get away from a man outside poking me with a sharp prod and at the end of the dream, tiger-me noticed the side door of the cage was open and that I was a huuuge tiger with the ability to walk the hell out and I woke up in a sweat. That image made me see, that's PTSD, the door is OPEN, it always is, we just can't SEE it in the anxiety, obsessing and spinning we do. Does that make sense?

For now, I'm letting M go on his way, to have his energy to survive and I'm moving on with my life until he can choose to work on healing. He's still thrashing in his cage and mostly comes back to me when the lid blows off his pot and he needs to be rescued. That is the only time he's open to sharing his TRUTH, the horror stories which I listen to GRATEFULLY (the stuff of the worst war movie yes). Only when he cracks on rare occasions will he consider healing, help, or reaching out to resources I offer, but he then won't - he crawls back to the cage and disappears for weeks....I will talk to him again if/when he ever decides to WORK on himself and STOP HIDING.

Sorry for the rant, whew, I guess I needed that! What I meant to share was this: Supporters need to learn too, some of the same things I did when I was my OWN supporter, read, connect, get outside, take care of themselves. Sufferers, choose one or two trusted souls and SHARE your truth, find your tribe, here and in the flesh, engage every sense, and above all know you are tigers and there is a door, fight to find it!

Final thought for now, embrace your special variety of madness, there are others who understand - after recovery, you'll feel like a MOSAIC, lots of little pieces you rebuild into something that looks a different but is actually much stronger and really quite BEAUTIFUL :)
 
When you recover, you feel as though you can do anything, you feel so much joy it's like a drug, you want to share the secret formula!!
This is so good to hear!
Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now" I hi
I'll look it up tonight. Thank you!
That image made me see, that's PTSD, the door is OPEN, it always is, we just can't SEE it in the anxiety, obsessing and spinning
I love, love, love this
Final thought for now, embrace your special variety of madness, there are others who understand - after recovery, you'll feel like a MOSAIC, lots of little pieces you rebuild into something that looks a different but is actually much stronger and really quite BEAUTIFUL :)
I cant wait!
 
This is so good to hear!

I'll look it up tonight. Thank you!

I love, love, love this

I cant wait!

@Freida Hey lady, I was thinking about you today, and ALL of you other fab humans in these 88 pages of heartfelt transmissions!

I just wanted you each to know I'm send a little bit of strength and stardust in whatever way it's needed, at whatever point you are on the journey this evening!
 
the anniversary months have arrived. Crap.I know hubby isn't angry AT me...he's angry FOR me. But. It's still hard because I go into defense mode so quickly. I know he's frustrated that we have to go thru this year after year. Even with all the therapy it still just sucks

What broke my heart was when he told me he was putting off a job change ( he hates his job) because of me. Waiting on the va means we can't make any plans, my disability from work is up in the air so we don't know what our finances are going to be in the near future and he doesn't want to do anything new until "we get you thru your bad months"
He wasn't mad about it. Just kind of disappointed he has to wait. But still!!!!I

So he has to wait till February at least before his life can move on - because of me.. That is just so damn unfair. This is why it's easier just to bail. Because ptsd doesn't just effect me. It effects everyone in my life. It makes the logical answer be....if it wasn't for me they could.....insert whatever I cause them to give up here.

I know (finally!) That's not true. But sometimes it's hard to remember.
 
@Freida, that's what people who love us do. J didn't work for six months and then when he finally started getting paid through the CWT program he was just making minimum wage. I worked ALL the overtime I could get for over a year. And no complaints from me. We had to figure Him out. What his options were. He fought so hard to get stable again. And he's doing it. From a total breakdown last September to better therapy, meds that are working well and a dream job, in a year. (We literally just had a conversation about that and he said "kiss me you fool". Lmao!!) I'd do damn near anything for him as he would for me.

That's been my goal (and I'm sure hubby's as well) all along, to help get J stable. Healthy. He's a strong, educated, smart, articulate, driven, able bodied,hard working man. He can do great things! When PTSD isn't at the wheel.

You're right when you say hubby is mad FOR you. I get so angry sometimes how J is treated by the people "helping" him. I've spoken my mind to many people on his treatment team. Now, he does!!!!! It's beautiful.

We're in anniversary season too. I don't know if he knows it yet. I'm not gonna mention it. ? He's having little outbursts here and there. I ignore them for the most part. He gets nostalgic and very talkative. I wish you had someone IRL other than T to share EVERYTHING with! I wish everyone on this forum did.

This will be the anniversary season to change all your anniversaries to come. The one where you fight the VA. And win!! (You can't do that if you run. Can ya?? ?)

J is finally getting the life he imagined all those years ago. Yep. He still has PTSD but f#ck PTSD. It will always be there but the good days far outweigh the bad now. PTSD is just a fraction of who he is. He's way more than that. As are you.

How do you imagine your happy life? What do you have to do to achieve it? You can do it. You can do anything. Just like my J.

Hugs to you, Hubby and SD. ?
 
The only place I ever feel completely safe is in my car. I can escape in my car because its hard to hit a moving target. I can step on the gas and poof! I'm gone. I NEVER let my car get under 1/4 tank of gas and I know exactly how far I can get from there..

Just recently I had a panic attack and started to take off. Hubby asked me if I wanted him to come with me. My response was "Only if you want me to come back." I didn't think of that as a challenge or a threat. I was just stating a fact. I knew I would come back if he was with me. I knew chances were high I would be 500 miles away by the next day if he didn’t. It never crossed my mind he might be upset or miss me if I took off. All I could think of was escaping.

We drove around a bit and he got me calmed down and we went back to the house. In my view – that was that. I didn’t actually bail so there wasn’t an issue. But I’m guessing he now has a glimmer that this round is going to be worse than usual on him as well as me

I want to remember that. But when it comes time to run I don’t know if I will.

I so get this! Just make sure you don't have a panic attack, dissociate, and be so over the top....and drive. It is a recipe for an accident...I speak from experience. Drive to the end of the driveway and pull over for 20 min, and get grounded first. Then escape safely.
 
I so get this! Just make sure you don't have a panic attack, dissociate, and be so over the top....and drive. It is a recipe for an accident...I speak from experience. Drive to the end of the driveway and pull over for 20 min, and get grounded first. Then escape safely.
ya...I've made that mistake a couple times -- damn scary once I realized what I had done....eeek!
 
I now am the car farthest from all the others....I don't keep three car lengths behind......more like 10-12 minimum and I'll move in another lane just for this purpose when driving a long stretch like across Nebraska or Iowa (it seems endless....and I can get lost in thought).
 
@Freida, that's what people who love us do.
I'd do damn near anything for him as he would for me.
Y'know it's hard to see sometimes because it feels so lopsided. I know it's not - because I've supported him during his bad times and never thought twice. So why would he? ugh.
That's been my goal (and I'm sure hubby's as well) all along, to help get J stable. Healthy.
Ya -- he's in for the long haul and I know he can't wait. LOL
We're in anniversary season too. I don't know if he knows it yet. I'm not gonna mention it.
Ya, hubby usually sees t coming long before i do. Yesterday I made a comment about my hands hurting and wondered if it was related -- he looked at me and said "no -- its' from pulling weeds. it's too early for your hands to hurt." Damn - dude knows my symptoms better than I do! Lol
This will be the anniversary season to change all your anniversaries to come. The one where you fight the VA. And win!! (You can't do that if you run. Can ya?? ?)
I hope so!!! So very much. I want to get enough back pay to let him remodel the kitchen! :laugh:
 
Isolating.

Don't even realize I'm doing it at first. Then it kind of dawns on me that I haven't talked to friends or family, kind of ignoring hubby, just kind of shut down. Going out to the world means putting on happy face -- so very tiring.

They get mad at me. Or maybe they don't. Dunno. Don't really care. Can't take the pressure of dealing with them.
I come here
They get mad? or maybe they don't.
They want to be part of the conversation
Why do I talk here but not to them?
Too many things I can't talk to them about.
I know, I know, they want to help. They want to understand
But sometimes its too much for ME to think about.
For ME to talk about
For ME to explain
Not them
ME.
Here?
people get it
Without having to explain.
Sigh.
 
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