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Upset over Diagnosis Change

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I decided to take a few weeks off due to some trips to really think about my symptomatogy and goals in therapy. If I were to be honest with myself I am not sure what I want to get from her, therapy, or truly whether or not she's a good fit.

The reason why I decided to get back into therapy is because I had a severe "abandonment reaction" from having to terminate with my last therapist of 18 months...in January. My stress reactions spiraled into unproductive coping mechanisms, internally. Plus, I was getting chronically triggered by my romantic partner (due to how our issues mingled) to the point of having suicide ideation on a weekly basis. I felt like I was a big failure. But he and I are gradually sorting through issues and I am starting to feel less out of control.
 
Thank you for your input!
She said "trauma-related anxiety" was a new diagnosis in the new DSM and I tried to find it. When I couldn't find it online, I started questioning her competence in my head.

She's implied on two different occasions that she isn't sure about my PTSD.

I have access to the online DSM through my university, and l also couldn't find a diagnosis with that name. She might mean you have other specified or unspecified trauma and stressor related disorder. The DSM 5 did create a new section just for trauma and stressor related disorders, so maybe she's alluding to that. I don't think other specified trauma related disorder was a thing before the DSM 5, and PTSD was lumped in with the anxiety disorders before the DSM 5.
 
If i had doubts of benefitting from new therapist i tell myself 10 sessions and then i decide. I did this with OT.

I am also on disability and share that feeling at times of being a fraud. It is usually when i progress and do better in function...then i compare myself to others with PTSd. It bothers me not knowing myself and feeling like a fraud. This is the reason i told the disability case manager that i feel like a fraud, i have good days from time to time and asked if i will be cut off for having good days. Each day is a battle of symptoms and bad days it is battling to live.

PTSd symptoms flucuates and an example is my DBT psych she says i dont appear to have ptsd when i am in safe environment.

I hope things work in your favor.
 
I mean, if I had to guess, I would think maybe she simply wants to be validated that what she is experiencing is real and what she has gone through has changed her life. If the diagnosis really has remitted that is one thing, but if she is not being validated for something that is currently real for her is not. Just my opinion.
 
The thing is and I think that's what Nuance is worried about: DID the symptoms decrease? DID she really get better enough? Or is it just..... a different T interpreting the DSM just a tad differently? Because that is a thing and I don't think that should be disregarded, that different Ts, PsyDocs, .... apply different interpretations. Because if she didn't actually get better, I think her worries might be justified as in she may now cease to receive the appropriate treatment. So, a discussion with that new T about treatment of symptoms (from whatever diagnosis) is probably warranted and necessary.

@Nuance I agree that it's worth discussing your concerns and associated feelings with your T. Question her on that. You deserve explanations you can live with. Start with the "I'm a fraud" one :) Also, go over the criteria list and discuss with her why you think you still meet them and she thinks you don't.

(On a side-note "Trauma-related anxiety" is an actual diagnosis? Genuinely asking).
Trauma-related anxiety is not a diagnosis in the DSM 5.

@Nuance when you go back, I would encourage you to ask her what ICD code she is using, if you want more specific information about the official diagnosis.

Some therapists fall into the camp of "clear criterion A trauma with clear reexperiencing symptoms directly tied to the trauma" or they don't consider it PTSD. I even have a colleague that believes systemic experience of racism cannot cause PTSD. Based on a strict interpretation of the criteria, unless the racism causes a feeling of potential loss of life through a primary event, my colleague is correct.

I think and hope that the next DSM will make more room for developmental trauma and long-term ongoing threats to safety which can still cause trauma related reactions even if it isn't as clear-cut as single incident index trauma PTSD.
 
Trauma-related anxiety is not a diagnosis in the DSM 5.

@Nuance when you go back, I would encourage you to ask her what ICD code she is using, if you want more specific information about the official diagnosis.

Some therapists fall into the camp of "clear criterion A trauma with clear reexperiencing symptoms directly tied to the trauma" or they don't consider it PTSD. I even have a colleague that believes systemic experience of racism cannot cause PTSD. Based on a strict interpretation of the criteria, unless the racism causes a feeling of potential loss of life through a primary event, my colleague is correct.

I think and hope that the next DSM will make more room for developmental trauma and long-term ongoing threats to safety which can still cause trauma related reactions even if it isn't as clear-cut as single incident index trauma PTSD.
If that isn't a cause for diagnosis @HealingMama then what diagnosis is it? I don't understand why ongoing trauma doesn't count.
 
If that isn't a cause for diagnosis @HealingMama then what diagnosis is it? I don't understand why ongoing trauma doesn't count.
It depends what the actual experience and perception was at the time.

If you're taken into the woods by a group of white people as a person of color and brought over to a noose, or beaten, or they imply that they are going to beat/rape you, nobody would argue that counts as criterion A trauma because it does. If you're physically overpowered at all as a person of color by white people, that also counts.

But the kind of harassment, ostracism, nonverbal rejection that is a common component of racism? Unfortunately doesn't fit the technical definition of index trauma according to DSM.

So even with developmental trauma, there is some nuance there. Obviously for most children a perception of abandonment signals fear of death. So that's valid criterion A. I would argue that abuse and neglect count even if on a mild spectrum because again, you're totally dependent on caregivers for survival.

Some diagnosticians would rule out certain types of childhood experience as not criterion A. A lot of bullying isn't criterion A, even stuff as bad as girls ganging up on girls on social media in middle school telling someone she should kill herself. It isn't criterion A unless there's a perception of death or serious injury according to the strict interpretation of the criteria. Verbal harassment without fear of physical acting out doesn't technically count.

I tend to err on the side of events counting, because it's very hard for someone to hear and understand that the bad thing they experienced that seems to have created all these bad things in the present "doesn't count."

I've also heard clinicians say harassment that drove an adult to consider suicide doesn't count as criterion A. I am not sure that I agree but I understand why they think of it that way.

Here's the technical description of what can be considered criterion A trauma in the DSM 5:

The person was exposed to: death, threatened death, actual or threatened serious injury, or actual or threatened sexual violence, in the following way(s):

  • Direct exposure
  • Witnessing the trauma
  • Learning that a relative or close friend was exposed to a trauma
  • Indirect exposure to aversive details of the trauma, usually in the course of professional duties (e.g., first responders, medics)

So there's distressing experiences that feel traumatic, then there is index trauma according to DSM. A difficult divorce, a long complicated breakup, getting laid off, getting harassed unless threatened physically, seeing a parent decline in health and then die, none of that is criterion A, even though it is all very stressful.

I prefer the DSM IV for PTSD criteria myself. I think they made changes in a wrong direction.
 
Trauma-related anxiety is not a diagnosis in the DSM 5.

@Nuance when you go back, I would encourage you to ask her what ICD code she is using, if you want more specific information about the official diagnosis.

Some therapists fall into the camp of "clear criterion A trauma with clear reexperiencing symptoms directly tied to the trauma" or they don't consider it PTSD. I even have a colleague that believes systemic experience of racism cannot cause PTSD. Based on a strict interpretation of the criteria, unless the racism causes a feeling of potential loss of life through a primary event, my colleague is correct.

I think and hope that the next DSM will make more room for developmental trauma and long-term ongoing threats to safety which can still cause trauma related reactions even if it isn't as clear-cut as single incident index trauma PTSD.
I did have a series of physically threatening situations... Left out on some steps as a baby, surgeries that included my legs being broken and realigned causing excruciating pain and spasms(at age 4-5) with very little emotional support and comfort. I was left in bed alone for hours at a time (couldn't move) with absolutely nothing to do. And if I needed help, the responsiveness was spotty at best. To my 4 year old brain, I couldn't comprehend what was happening because no one gave me the emotional support and comfort at the orphanage.

Even before the surgery, my main mode of movement was crawling until about the age of 7... my survival was solely dependent on the whims of my caretakers.

The PTSD reared it's ugly head when I had to redo all the surgeries again as an adult while my adopted partners went through a difficult divorce.

It was considered developmental trauma because a lot of this happened before the age of 6.

Also, my adopted sister saw me getting kicked for just asking to go to the bathroom.... I am pretty that I happened consistently I was always scared of people taking their "anger out on me" just because I asked for help. Remember, I was completely physically helpless because I could ONLY CRAWL until I was 7.
 
I'm not at all discounting that you experienced trauma @Nuance just answering another question about how PTSD is currently diagnosed. I hope you get the answers you need at your next follow up.
 
My old therapist (who understood my symptoms the best) has returned so I am resuming my therapy with him.

He originally diagnosed me with PTSD, depression, and GAD.
 
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