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is it him or men in general?

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Strangelongtrip

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I want to preface this: I'm not trying to say I think all men are bad or anything. There's men I talk to I feel safe talking to and wouldn't mind getting coffee with. I just haven't had a close male friend in years.

I talked to a friend of mine I haven't seen in years and just would text with here and there. He's a guy. We video chatted and it was nice, but afterwards I felt something like being triggered, alarm bells going off. He didn't really say anything that would have done that, and I was just sitting here thinking about why and realized: I haven't had a male friend in years.

This friend, we can call him H, was a great friend to me. We hung out every day my first year of college, but that's when my PTSD started being debilitating and I started thinking paranoid things about him and projecting things onto him that weren't real. H and I later talked about it and worked through it, but we were never as close as we were, and he also moved. I'll be moving near him soon.

One time when I saw him he made me walk home drunk in a city, although it was a safe area. He may have expected me to call an uber, but I don't remember that being a conversation and I just walked. I was really, really drunk. I was fine and made it home and it was actually a great walk, but this put me off some. The only other thing that would be unsafe about H is he drinks a lot, but he told me on the phone he had stopped after doing something stupid while drunk. I think what happened is he assaulted someone, and I guess that's freaking me out. He seemed mortified, and had taken responsibility for his actions, and him and the friend are okay now. I feel like I may have done something similar but don't remember if it really happened. Some part of me wants to punish myself for this.

My "main" trauma was an abusive relationship with a man (I'm a woman) where I was raped repeatedly and abused in every sense. It was when I was 18, from high school into college. It was my first relationship. It was about an 8th month relationship, happened like 5 years ago. I'm mostly through it and was amazed that I could just read that last sentence without feeling distressed. His best friend was also a rapist, raped my friend while she was blacked out. The other five male friends I had, every single one of them sexually assaulted or raped someone I know or alternatively, one collected porn from a 14 year old, and one sexually assaulted me as well (while my abusive ex boyfriend was next to me, laughing). All of those sentences, I have a harder time reading. The one male friend I had that assaulted me, D, now works as a bouncer at a local bar. I won't go down there now. He reached out to me recently and apologized but he told me he still drinks until it almost kills him and he assaulted me while he was blackout drunk so I blocked him on everything.

I don't really know what to do. I feel like H could be dangerous, but I also wonder if it's just a trauma response to never being in a healthy relationship or friendship with a man that wasn't a rapist. H has never even tried anything with me, blackout drunk crossfaded or anything. I know one guy who dated me that also had sex with me when blackout but he had no idea I was blackout because I was functioning normally. He was really sorry for it too and we're on okay terms now but I have no interest in talking to him. I just wonder if it's harder for me to be friends with men because of all my trauma. I don't want it to be that way. I know a few people I'd like to be good friends with but it makes me nervous sometimes, but that's a different nervous than this--I experience that nervousness regardless of someone's gender. But I also don't know if it's H in particular because of my history and what he told me he did.

I don't drink that much anymore and I don't use drugs anymore (unless you count marijuana for medical purposes--I smoke a little bit like macrodosing for help with PTSD, depression and chronic pain), so maybe someone who still does makes me nervous? Bad things always happened to me when people were smoking and drinking around me. I can have a few drinks with a friend but I haven't had drinks with a male friend in years. Thank you for reading.
 
Any time the question is, "Do men (or women) in general do [X]," the answer is almost always no. But it's very easy to generalize people of a particular gender based on our experiences.

About your question whether you are projecting things into him, or is he actually sketchy ... it could certainly be both. From what you describe, it sounds like he's never been anything but respectful towards you. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to be around a person who drinks to the point of assaulting someone.
 
Thank you @somerandomguy ! I like your first point too. I think more what I mean is "am I incapable of having fulfilling relationships with men because of trauma", not "do all men do this" if that makes sense. I know not all men do this. Just like I know not all girls commit COSCA when I've had one do that to me. I don't think all men are xyz or all women are xyz, and of course there's nonbinary people!

I think what scares me more is that I happened to fall in with the WRONG men, like the sheer volume of how many did bad things to people. I think I'm going to make a separate thread or talk about that in my journal because I didn't realize how much that affected me and how unsafe I felt, especially after having been in a relationship where I was raped for so long.

About your question whether you are projecting things into him, or is he actually sketchy ... it could certainly be both. From what you describe, it sounds like he's never been anything but respectful towards you. On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to be around a person who drinks to the point of assaulting someone.

Reading back it kind of seems like both. I think I'm scared of losing yet another friend. I've lost so many, and had kept him at a distance for years. I have three close great friends and a few maybe two or three not so close friends soon reality I don't need lot of friends, but I was excited to have someone where I moved, because most of my friends are where we are now.
 
Hey @Strangelongtrip - I think it may be that you have created a pattern, one that you may be completely unaware of, but nevertheless you are doing it.

Sounds like danger - whether for a thrill or in terms of you simply being in the wrong place, time etc.. is a theme with your experiences.

I'd like to see you stabilise in terms of your new move first - before you invite this young man back into your life. I mean as in, create your own safe space, your own routine, your new pattern that doesn't involve the things that led you to the circumstances of your past trauma. Because though he hasn't done anything terrible to you. He's part of that landscape?

I'm glad you know that not all men are bad. But people can not be so good for you and still not be bad.
 
I'm mostly through it and was amazed that I could just read that last sentence without feeling distressed. His best friend was also a rapist, raped my friend while she was blacked out. The other five male friends I had, every single one of them sexually assaulted or raped someone I know or alternatively, one collected porn from a 14 year old, and one sexually assaulted me as well (while my abusive ex boyfriend was next to me, laughing).

If I understand correctly this friends hangs out with these men?

A person does not represent their gender but “birds of a feather flock together” some truth to this. I grew up in an environment where physical assaults barely registered they were so common, as was abuse, criminal activity etc. I made a painful choice and decided to walk away from that world. It was hard as it was all I knew. But I decided maybe there are people and places where an evening argument doesn’t end in someone brandishing a gun.

wow it was a long time ago now but it was a good decision.

Most men...people do not rape, hang out with those that do, or allow themselves to keep friends that do. Tolerating poor behavior from others comes with limits and sure as heck doesn’t include anyone who rapes or assaults.

Simply put find new friends. Healthier ones. A better environment.

This sounds like you are at increased risk if anything from becoming accustomed to poor treatment..you ex sounds like a jerk. My abusive husband watched me get assaulted by a stranger and didn’t bother to get up from his chair. He just watched me with his notorious look of didain and later lectured me how I could have handled it better/defended myself but how dare I cuss at the guy. Unreal.

Strangers came to my aid...not my own husband.

I fear exposure to this stuff just sets a person up for future abuse. Don’t make excuses for others poor behavior...you are far from expecting to much to have an life free from this garbage. Take stock of your life, friends and it may be time for some changes. Good ones.

Best,

Whirlwind
 
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I think it may be that you have created a pattern, one that you may be completely unaware of, but nevertheless you are doing it.

Sounds like danger - whether for a thrill or in terms of you simply being in the wrong place, time etc.. is a theme with your experiences.

I'd like to see you stabilise in terms of your new move first - before you invite this young man back into your life. I mean as in, create your own safe space, your own routine, your new pattern that doesn't involve the things that led you to the circumstances of your past trauma. Because though he hasn't done anything terrible to you. He's part of that landscape?

Hi @blackemerald1 ! Thank you, this is great to think about. I think I've broken the pattern for the most part, as I've let go a lot of friends from that time who still partied hard or hadn't worked on their trauma or who were just, well, mean people. But coming back to H, it feels weird. He's not friends with those people from high school, he went to high school a thousand miles from me, but he's part of the landscape in that he was a friend who did unhealthy coping mechanisms to get through life. I don't really do that anymore. I haven't binge drank in almost two years, I don't let myself get out of control, and I cope through healthy means now. I think it does scare me that he's still in that place. He wouldn't push me to drink more or anything, he always respected my limits, and we have fun together totally sober too, I think it just scares me with those experiences I've had.

If I understand correctly this friends hangs out with these men?

Hi @Whirlwind ! H wasn't friends with these men, and actually abhorred their behavior. Those friends I mentioned were from high school, and H is from college in another state ? The only real similarities are that they both use drugs and alcohol. H is actually empathetic and caring whereas these old friends, when I would mention my trauma, would be absolute assholes. There's no other word for it. I stopped talking to them years ago.

This sounds like you are at increased risk if anything from becoming accustomed to poor treatment..you ex sounds like a jerk. My abusive husband watched me get assaulted by a stranger and didn’t bother to get up from his chair. He just watched me with his notorious look of didain and later lectured me how I could have handled it better/defended myself but how dare I cuss at the guy. Unreal.

I was definitely accustomed to poor treatment. I grew up seeing and experiencing poor treatment as well, so I had normalized it. I feel like for the most part I've broken the pattern, but it's SO hard for me to say this person is treating me badly, so I need to leave them. My best friend says I'll take 500 kicks from someone before I realize they're bad for me. I feel like maybe I don't do that as badly anymore, but it's still something I struggle with.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you're around better nicer people now!!
 
Well, statistically, males commit more sexual violence than females do. Obviously not all males are sex offenders, but I think the problem is much more widespread than we know, sadly.

I think female perpetrated violence is very under reported. Trying to get information abort it after my own experience was difficult. However- Personally I do agree with the second part of your post that sexual assault is more common than we like to acknowledge - whoever is doing it- frankly it has to be that significant numbers of people have ‘got it wrong’ for their to be the statistics of those of us who have been victim to it . I phrase it like that because I am allowing for ambiguity of ‘didn’t mean to’ sexually assault which shrug- could happen but certainly can be rationalised more often as that by perps and their friends/ families in a world where we STILL don’t take consent and victims seriously.
 
You do realize you're on a ptsd forum for men and women right, @Lumos?

The men here have a history of CSA and or SA. @somerandomguy included.

Please don't make the mistake of thinking only men are perpetrators.

(Hugs SRG!!)
I am a woman and one of my perps was a woman. It’s not only heterosexual SA women commit. In fact the only meaningful stats I could really find were on homosexual/ lesbian crime, which is misleading because the female perp identified as Hetero and i am too.

Women commit sexual assault. Women commit sexual harrassment.
 
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