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You know just saying this^^^ can be a reasonable explanation, especially ahead of time, when you’re still feeling well. Somebody with the right temperament to be a supporter will understand, or at least work on understanding. If they don’t, then at least you’ll know early in the game.
Yep -- that's what I was thinking too. just saying you cant communicate means you are communicating
So (ghosting) time has little relevance: weeks may feel like a few days, but a few days of memories feel like months. If that makes sense?
Total sense. I lose track of what day it is all the time -- have gone a week without talking to someone and then said -- its been how many days??
 
I lose track of what day it is all the time -- have gone a week without talking to someone and then said -- its been how many days??

For me too. I can be triggered/disocciated/etc for say weeks and I would insist it was only a few days. This happens in my day to day too. It's why literally everything from doctor appointments to grocery shopping to "pick up XYZ prescription" (and really everything in between) has to be put on my phone calender which alerts me. Otherwise, I'd forget the day and forget to do it.
 
Yes I mean apart from (or in addition to ) regular time blindness, emotional toll seems to throw the perception of time way off (JMHO). And those times exact a physical toll, too.

Idk, a lot of ghosting isn't about control, or even trying to be mean, just responding to negatives that are there, or positives that are absent or not desired.

A lot of people view relationships as positive, and they can be. They also often aren't, or can even be a panacea. Depends on one's history, I think.

I heard it said, all families have suffering, and of course all people have suffering. I remember someone saying though, not all equally. Unless that's understood, many peoples' behaviour will remain a mystery. Just my thoughts though. Night and day difference.
 
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I heard something else today, may also be helpful, how people become frustrated (bored?), or otherwise discontent with the routine of their lives. And I see it's something people take for granted, more often than not, the abilities and opportunity for such routine; the humdrum existence of work (that they sometimes actually enjoy, and are often pretty well compensated for); spouses (usually of their choosing, and not necessarily abusive, plus 2nd incomes, vacations, homes, vehicles, and large scale purchases and 'toys'); children; family (likely some supportive, some challenging, some removed; extra responsibility, connection, and resources), etc. And this is substantially better than those without viable employment, shelter, protection, etc. And most of the former being 1st World problems, vs 3rd World, for most of us, with or without.

But I thought, how different, how very different, when the reality of routine is taken for granted as expected, deserved, forthcoming - even possible, Because, after all, it is in the achieving of that routine that many peoples' dreams and aspirations were fulfilled. (Undoubtedly not necessarily as they actually dreamed it would be, but nonetheless what they not only wanted, but expected, and maybe took for granted as they would be fulfilled). We all as humans say not to compare, especially since it's a recipe to feel miserable, but the fact is there is a difference, there just isn't recognition that we aren't all operating under the reality that these things are 'givens'. (Notwithstanding I'm sure some people with ptsd do expect others, including spouses, to put up with whatever they dish out, and can be mighty self-centered, as we all can be).

Additionally, I heard it said as people we try to control others' reactions, and others try to control ours/ us. I tried to think if I do that, and all I can come up with is work/ my boss: I try to put in 110% more than they require, to keep my job, and hope they will respond with recognition and satisfactory acceptance of the 100% (not 210%) that is required. On the other hand, I just passed a Christmas, Bday and New Year, without even a well-wish from a relative, who may have hoped to hurt my feelings, or just didn't care. For certain didn't care enough to want to enough to bother.. All I can do is set my own boundaries, but I am a human being, and have feelings (there's a shocker). And in the end, for all relationships, that's what it comes down to. Do you care? Do you bother? If it's a spouse, are you faithful? And the answer to some of these questions is, for some of us, relationships aren't really all they're cracked up to be. Doesn't mean a good person should get left out in the cold, but most people aren't quite that 'good', either. Ptsd is never routine. We should wish. :( And feelings, well what's the use of more hurt? JMHE though, everyone is different.
 
Ok. Here is one of those times I would just walk away.

My T is always fussing about three things
Its ok to ask for help
I need to allow someone to support me as I "sit" with my feelings
Having impossible wishes is ok -- even if you know they are impossible

two weeks ago I said
So January sucks (everyone who knows me knows this)and I'm wondering if I'll be ok with just one session a week or if we should try to schedule two

She says -- well I'm booked solid until mid Feb but I can put you on my cancellation list
Great. She knows I may need extra time and shes working on it. (Check help asked box).

Last week.
I get upset - which is pretty rare
I tell her that it's hard for me to think about being emotional during my appointment because it's only 50 minute long. She asks -- how long you think it would take? WTF? how am I supposed to answer that?
Drama ensues -- Still don't understand the question (check allow someone to sit with feelings box)

I said i wish I could have extra appointments with her that lasted as long as I might need but I understood that wasn't reality. (Check impossible wish box)
She says she doesn't understand why i would wish for something that I can't have

Then she said "I wish you had told me that you were struggling and needed extra time"
Que bitch switch flipped.
I did tell you -- you wrote it down
Yes - but I wish you had told me you were struggling
I wasn't' - I was planning ahead
But I wish you had told me
I. Did. -- You WROTE it down

So from where I sit I'm hearing:
She is blaming me for not asking for help "correctly" by showing a shit ton of emotion so that she would know to take me seriously before I'm even aware I'm going to be emotional

She is telling me it is my fault I won't be able to get in to see her because I didn't make a big enough deal of it earlier and I shouldn't fuss because it was an impossible wish

She is annoyed that I can't tell her how long my possible melt down will last - but reminded me that even if I do lose it and she has to kick me out of her office because she has a patient waiting "I have faith you can cope" No shit sherlock, I've been coping for decades.

Not sure what pod person has taken over my t because none of this sounds like her
But I'm not interested in talking with her again. This was enough to push me out the door because, well, ITS f*ckING JANUARY - I'm not rational. Which I thought, as my long term t, she would remember.
But either way I'm done.
Not going back

Wont be blamed for someone else feeling bad
Won't be blamed for not asking for help correctly
Won't be blamed because my drama is complicating their life

Got home, ranted at hubby, he got me calmed down and to agree to go back at least once - just in case I have misunderstood something she said (which, admittedly has happened in the past but never like this).
But I don't want to.
It's been three days and I still don't want to
I'm done.

So ya, if hubby wasn't pushing me? This would have been enough to make me ghost.

makes perfect sense to me.... just sayin.
 
It happened to my guy too. He was feeling very emotional (because she didn’t wait for him in therapy, you know what I mean, he wanted a stop - not stop seeing her - but a pause (sorry for my English) - but she didn’t want one) and told her and she basically told him that he wasn’t because very emotional was different (how is she supposed to know how he is feeling inside?) and it made him feel like she couldn’t be counted on and that he is a lot better doing his job (he is not a therapist) than she is doing her job. I think now it does not matter so much to him anymore because he learned a lot from therapy and the good outweighs the bad... but he was very pissed off because not being taken serious.

I think maybe you must let go of the idea that there is a therapist you can 100% count on always. It would be great but it isn’t how life works.

Is there somebody else you can ask for help or call a helpline? I think 1-800-273-8255 is a number in the USA.
 
Hi everyone. I've been reading this thread for a few months now and I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone who's posted. I can't tell you how much I've learnt and how much it's helped me ?.

My story is so similar to many more that I've read here (met a wonderful man - ex air force and has now been a paramedic for 20 years - everything was fantastic for a short while and then he abruptly backed out). I was devastated, as so many others have been. BUT because I found this forum, and also read a huge amount, I very slowly managed to get my head around it.

I was lucky in that he had discussed his PTSD with me, he is in treatment, and he didn't completely ghost me. He sent me a heart-breakingly sad message one afternoon saying he knew he was ready in so many ways to let me in but that he still had a way to go, and that he had to clear out and deal with some stuff. That meeting me was the closest he'd come in a while to letting someone close and that maybe in a while he'd be a free spirit. He hoped I didn't think badly of him and he was sorry ?

Yes, I was frantic and upset at first but I tried to keep my cool. Luckily, he didn't block me, although he wouldn't take my call or answer my immediate replies. So, I read as much as I could. And I devoured this site! And I realised that I could either get bitter and very sad, and send him a load of pleading messages (even at the very beginning, I somehow managed to not sound too pissed off!) Or, I could take on board what he was having the guts to tell me, listen to what you guys were saying (both sufferers and supporters), be kind to him and step back.

God, it's been hard! And we're nowhere near the end of it yet, I'm sure. But it's been eight weeks now since that sad message and I'm OK! What I decided to do was send him a message (which I did about a week in) saying that I respected what he had told me, that I had total faith in him knowing what was best for him, and that if he wanted to reconnect at any point I would be happy to hear from him. I told him he had nothing to feel sorry for and that I didn't think negatively of him. I also told him that I would message from time to time just to say hey. It was very hard message to write and I got no response.

But I've stuck to my word. I set my boundary. Yes, I fell apart a lot at the beginning, but I've never put that on him. Now, I find something funny or topical to send him every ten days or so, with no questions or expectation. He reads them all. He didn't reply at all to the first few. But the last three have been replied to, one with a question from him asking me how I've been. I know it's very tiny steps, but any contact is better than no contact. He's busy being a paramedic and I'm busy being me.

What I'm trying to say is THANK YOU all for sharing your innermost feelings and for helping me in ways you'll never know. And for supporters out there who are in the same boat, have faith - in yourselves and the person you care about. Stop pushing if you can. Everyone's time frame is different. It might work out, it might not, but take from the experience what you can.

Thanks for reading x
 
I respected what he had told me, that I had total faith in him knowing what was best for him, and that if he wanted to reconnect at any point I would be happy to hear from him. I told him he had nothing to feel sorry for and that I didn't think negatively of him. I also told him that I would message from time to time just to say hey

What a great message! Proud of you! I would receive that well. Probably wouldn't reply if I was in a bad spot but would of been recieved well! It's probably why he replied eventually. If you would of gone off sending thousands of emotional messages, his stress cup would of never stopped overfilling. So glad you were able to take a step back and cared enough to understand where he was coming from! Also glad you are thinking about you and doing things for you!
 
What a great message! Proud of you! I would receive that well. Probably wouldn't reply if I was in a bad spot but would of been recieved well! It's probably why he replied eventually. If you would of gone off sending thousands of emotional messages, his stress cup would of never stopped overfilling. So glad you were able to take a step back and cared enough to understand where he was coming from! Also glad you are thinking about you and doing things for you!
Thank you for your supportive words. I really appreciate them. I'd be lying if I said it's been easy but I learnt so much reading through the posts on this forum and tried to put myself in his shoes. I miss him but we have plenty of time ahead in which to reconnect. I think that's been one of the most important things I picked up from the sufferers here - my 'normal' time frame for things just doesn’t work for him. So thank you once again. I would have rushed in if I hadn't found this forum ?
 
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