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[The Albatross]

The hell is it with people and bleach? It ain't f*cking good for you, get it?

Well can't speak for everyone but as a veteran commercial pool operator and someone who spent 36 years on the NW Florida 'cane coast. Chlorine/bleach, when used properly (10 to 1 for disinfectant and times vary as a killing agent) is effective always over hand sanitizers (which are alcohol). Bodies do contain chloride (which I learned when our board was hell bent on switching to bromide...which is an oxidizer that crosses the barrier for pregnant people whilst chlorine (bleach in the right ratios) doesn't.

"Chlorine is a component of all body secretions and excretions resulting from processes of building (anabolism) and breaking down (catabolism) body tissues. Levels of chlorine closely parallel levels of sodium intake and output, since a primary source of both is sodium chloride, or common table salt."

Well sources typically after hurricanes were on restrictions... and post Erin and Opal very low amounts (can't remember, so long ago... like a table spoon to x amount of gallons) was advised even for bathing. So... I guess "ain't f'ing good for you" is a matter of necessity. For those who prefer to not use bleach for surfaces... vinegar is acidic... though it smells like vinegar and takes longer/lower kill factor (or render inert factor).

 

[Neverthesame]

@The Albatross I'm not talking about a made for human contact product, rather an industrial cleaner. It comes with an MSDS document that states clearly to avoid contact with skin. It's a corrosive, it will burn you.

I didn't say people shouldn't use appropriate products that contain chlorine bleach. I said they shouldn't use industrial strength products at industrial strength directly on their skin. Especially when said product has a big warning label on it that states clearly "Avoid contact with skin. Will cause burns, use appropriate PPE as described in relevant MSDS document."

 

[The Albatross]

I'm just saying so far as effectiveness for kill ratio (virus/bacteria/stuff like cryptosporidium (a parasite that requires prolonged shock to treat for effectively to pierce "egg" shell) .. ) it's not unfamiliar for people to use. But I'd rather use (wisely) bleach and bleach products if I wanted to kill virus/bacteria/parasites than not.

I worked with 55 gallon barrels of industrial grade bleach. Industrial grade is significantly stronger that what is available to the general public and requires a haz mat certification. But... common bleach along with all other inorganic cleaners/disinfectants will always have an MSDS. "A general rule for sanitizing with bleach is to use 1 tbsp. of household bleach for every one gallon of water. Using hot or cold water can minimize the effectiveness of the bleach mixture. Instead, use room-temperature water to keep chlorine loss to a minimum." Public water contains bleach. I used to measure tap water before I'd shock pools before I calculated the chemicals required. So... um. You might be injesting it but it is necessary in small amounts as it is an effective sanitizer to prevent disease spread.

Bleach wipes like alcohol based wipes do not take the place of soap & water and a hydrant lotion. For alcohol based wipes though it is the friction rather than the alcohol that replaces a kill agent. Alcohol is "just a drying agent.... effective for certain bacteria but typically not viruses".

As for use of bleach wipes... since they've been in use for a while... I'd expect most would be familiar and if not the labels have website info.

P.S. Bleach wipes are not industrial grade.

 

[Ronin]

Yeah. You kill bacteria & viruses by it.

Not.In. Human. Bodies.

The hell those basics need be spelled out? One would think safe for other uses vs living organic tissues is enough no shit Sherlock obvious a difference.

 

[The Albatross]

? Yeah Ronin, chloride within limits is okay for human bodies. Commercial/industrial grade is not available to the general public. But it is used in water treatment in varying leveled based on water treatment requirements (municipal drinking water)... .5 parts per million to 1.5 parts per million. When you go swimming in a pool it can be up to 5 parts per million.

Shock for parasites/crypto for instance is bring up and holding above 20 parts per million and "cooking/holding" it for a minimum of 20 hours before bring it back down to a max of 5/ppm to open for commercial use (public health/safety guidelines).

Just weird shit I know because asepsis was imperative for my rehabilitation and if I wanted a clean pool/hygienic I'd endeavor to learn and do it myself.

 

[Neverthesame]

I'm really not understanding what your problem with me is about this. If the guy was using the product properly, I wouldn't have had a problem.
Why are you jumping on me about this? Of all things, this. My post is not the first one on this thread to mention the misuse of bleach as a prophylactic. That poster mentioned that some people were drinking it.
I caught a guy about to give himself a severe chemical burn because he thought it would make him "anti-corona clean".

As for use of bleach wipes... since they've been in use for a while... I'd expect most would be familiar and if not the labels have website info.

Yeah, no kidding. You would think so huh? Well, tell that to the moron driver from earlier. As I said, the container has a big warning label on it that say's "Corrosive" I don't know what else to tell you.

Am I not being "serious" enough for you? Christ, I just wanted to write a post about something relevant to the topic, as the big bad Corona-Corvid-Wuhan-Not plauge but almost-19-virus has finally made it to my backyard.
Well, I regret that. I'm done discussing bleach. If I'm not being scientificky sounding enough, sorry. Didn't think I really needed to be.

 

[Deanna]

It's now up to 70 cases in Washington state. The deaths stayed the same at 10.

All those cases are over the age of 60 and they had existing health conditions on top of that.

 

[The Albatross]

@Neverthesame I'm just literal. Bleach wipes are not an industrial product. The topic is virus. I'm not even tagging you. I'm just telling my experience. If you think that bleach wipes are a hazard your perception is off unless somebody endeavors to eat them. Skin integrity, for what it's worth is important. Applying a bleach product/wipe to skin is corrected with soap and water and a cream or lotion. IF the reason for the behavior is to avoid virus... I don't see that a bleach wipe is contra indicated with reasonable precautions. Literally ALL sanitizers are corrosive. Less so in diluted liquid form over solids. ALL. With that, carry on and I'll go about my day.

 

[Ronin]

@The Albatross, we're not talking people taking a few gulps of a pool water.

We're talking people drinking.bleach.
Because some moron on TV or net or what have you spread the word it helps the newest pop take on boring as hell flu type.

Like how's that not a glaring difference to you, I don't get?

This is a non argument & pool data are irrelevant to talking of people massive self injuring because of hoaxes boosting already existing panic.

(And how's that disinfo putting actual lives at risk, in a state of emergency no less, not illegal? I'm fairly sure that kind of information spread is not kosher.)

 

[The Albatross]

Sanitizer is in literally ALL municipal drinking water short of potable well water sources. Never is not talking about people drinking bleach... she's talking about a bleach wipe.

Because some moron on TV or net or what have you spread the word it helps the newest pop take on boring as hell flu type.

Um, I don't understand what you mean. I have over 15 years experience with commercial water asepsis and 36 years of NW Florida municipal water issues. No "newest pop take" here to be had. Just trying to clarify that residential use bleach wipes and chlorinated products like drinking water isn't as bad for you as other sanitizers.

Facts that are longstanding are not disinfo and I suggest you check yourself. All cuz someone got ticked about a bleach wipe?

*scratching head to figure out how a bleach wipe discussion elevates to perpetuating a hoax.* Pool data is entirely relative as a base of asepsis for the general health and well being of the public. But I'm not inclined to engage further... your perceptions, your life... carry on.
NOTE: AT NO POINT did anyone suggest that "drinking" bleach was acceptable. Conflation is unappreciated though... exposure to mucus membranes be it pool/bath/shower... is also chlorinated exposure and is present for asepsis and hygienic reasons. Please don't wipe your eyes or nose with a bleach wipe. Satisfied Ronin?

 

[Ronin]

:banghead:

Literally, Never & I are both talking about *Other. People.*
Aka not you. Nor your experience with this or that.

Other people. And their reactions. To bad information. That we also happen to cite what kind of information that is.

 

[The Albatross]

Literally, Never & I are both talking about *Other. People.*
Aka not you. Nor your experience with this or that.

@Ronin Ah, then carry on and feel free to negate the facts. Support your own biases... as you wish but with respect to the topic... Covid-19, you will find no fault in what I've shared, though you may find it with me personally. I fail to see how commercial pool asepsis would not apply to a bleach wipe. Aside from "a few gulps of pool water" is urine, fecal matter from the total number of pool recipients, mucus membranes to include eyes and nostrils (RISK OF PUBLIC EXPOSURES)... but hey. What do I know except for 15 plus years of experience.

P.S. My FIL's second vocation for over 35 years was water treatment. Sanitizers are part of the drill but what do we know in contrast to people armed with only an opinion? You're welcome.