News Worldwide impact of the novel coronavirus (covid-19)

[siniang]

Rip.

Absolutely unnecessary and in bad taste.

Just let it go guys, ok? We don't need even more ugliness.

 

[siniang]

safest way to manage ourselves is to assume we have the virus & do everything to avoid spreading it. That's the line. I think it's really the universal line or should be.

Agreed and I have actually shared exactly this, before. That's why most countries have "stay at home"/lockdown orders by now. Excluded: "essential workers". And those should continue with appropriate precautions: social distancing at work, disinfecting/washing hands, etc. etc.

Here, you cannot get tested unless you show SEVERE enough symptoms. You will not get sick leave and MANY cannot afford unpaid leave as they're already living paycheck to paycheck. We here in Hawaii had tens of thousands of application for unemployment in the past few days.

ETA: And yes, that's personal. My husband has been "ordered" to return to work (instead of doing home office). He'd rather not. But he has no choice. Oh wait...he has a choice: between going to work and loosing his job/unpaid leave. We. can. not. afford. loosing. his. salary. He is not eligible for any unemployment benefit by law and we already live paycheck to paycheck. If we loose his salary, we literally have to decide between paying rent or food, because either takes up 50% of our combined salaries.

That includes not going to the beach en masse, having 'catch covid19' parties, getting off cruise ships

^^^ THIS has nothing to do with "essential workers". Try not to mix all those different things, ok? Really not helpful. I get you're angry at the aforementioned groups. Don't drag unrelated groups into your anger.

 

[RubyBlue]

*Not ganging up on anyone* though I do agree only adding what my area is currently doing to help others know where to draw the line.

We are on full lockdown, we don’t have a ton of cases but they wanted to implement this lockdown before we got bad. We will get a stimulus package for those who cannot work because obviously anyone non essential has to stay home now. If there is any capability of working from home your employer is required to allow and supply that (they are also getting stimulus packages to aid in this). You are also eligible for unemployment and wait times for that have been waived.

They are now fining people who are out and about without a really good reason. Right now is allergy season and obviously the virus can look like a million other things, but the protocol around here is if you have *any* symptoms (regardless of any previous diagnoses or known allergies) you are to act as if you have the virus and therefore isolate completely. Your employer cannot fire you for this right now. They are not allowed to require you to come in if you are suspected of having the virus unless you work in healthcare (because they can’t afford any shortage there) and have extensive PPE.

 

[Mee]

Usually I'd agree. In this case the person is refusing to listen to the health advice given.

I am purposely avoiding talking about any member.

I don’t think that we can know what motivates someone- Whether it’s ‘pride’ or ‘fear’ or a hundred other possibilities. We cannot know.

I answer this when my therapist asks me the same about ‘what I think motivated someone’ or what they were thinking. I can have a guess, or a suspicion- but I could be quite quite wrong. The belief about how and why people act is behind a lot of victim blaming , a lot of WhT we protect those who hurt us, and all kinds of other stuff.

I don’t think it hurts us despite frustration to be mindful of how we communicate.

 

[RubyBlue]

I am purposely avoiding talking about any member.

I don’t think that we can know what motivates someone- Whether it’s ‘pride’ or ‘fear’ or a hundred other possibilities. We cannot know.

I answer this when my therapist asks me the same about ‘what I think motivated someone’ or what they were thinking. I can have a guess, or a suspicion- but I could be quite quite wrong. The belief about how and why people act is behind a lot of victim blaming , a lot of WhT we protect those who hurt us, and all kinds of other stuff.

I don’t think it hurts us despite frustration to be mindful of how we communicate.

I really don’t see any victim blaming here. Just common sense given an extremely challenging climate. We have something that most (including me) brushed off and now it’s grown into a massive thing so we are supposed to act accordingly. Not live like we already do, everything should be amended.

 

[Mee]

I really don’t see any victim blaming here. Just common sense given an extremely challenging climate. We have something that most (including me) brushed off and now it’s grown into a massive thing so we are supposed to act accordingly. Not live like we already do, everything should be amended.

no- I was making a comparison in behaviour- a behaviour many of us have received.

 

[blackemerald1]

Here, you cannot get tested unless you show SEVERE enough symptoms. You will not get sick leave and MANY cannot afford unpaid leave as they're already living paycheck to paycheck. We had tens of thousands of application for unemployment in the past few days.

^Same here. Your country is not the only one with these very same problems. Lack of testing kits, lack of medical supplies, we've got HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS applying for unemployment now. Same problems with sick leave & people living on the bread line. Your point is???

THIS has nothing to do with "essential workers". T

^Yes it has! All of these people who either spread the virus or end up using medical services actually impact all of our essential workers. The whole concept of not spreading the virus is to 'flatten the curve'. Why? So our hospitals (note essential workers) are not overwhelmed, so our medical workers are not inundated and then cannot perform their jobs.

If this does happen & our essential workers are overwhelmed because people (regardless of age) :rolleyes: do the wrong thing then too many people will front up to hospitals and essential workers and will not be able to give treatment. Guess what? That means that people die. It's happened in Italy - it's happening everywhere. Essential workers are directly impacted by the spread of this virus.

It is connected to essential workers in a major way. Managing all of our resources is critical right now and that means anyone who displays reckless disregard about catching or spreading the virus should be called out.

Try not to mix all those different things, ok? Really not helpful.

^Do not try to censor or moderate me please.

I get you're angry at the aforementioned groups. Don't drag unrelated groups into your anger.

^Have a look @siniang - LFS dragged me into the essential worker commentary by referencing my 20's something post? I was initially responding to her & then you've leapt to her defence. Admirable but not necessary.

And btw - I think you overestimate my investment in what stupid people do. I was making a comment about the behaviour when it happened but I'm not directly affected by it yet and I'm certainly not angry. Too strong - annoyed, disappointed, concerned - yes. Not anger. You misjudge me.

 

[RubyBlue]

no- I was making a comparison in behaviour- a behaviour many of us have received.

Day two of lockdown: I'm watching people with mild coughs demand that they couldn't possibly be Covid19 positive. I'm watching people die who got it from people with mild coughs. I think everyone who went outside knowing that they had symptoms and ignoring them are guilty of manslaughter. I'm angry and people think it's unjustified. Nobody else has to watch people die. I hope people listen soon so people stop dying.

@Mee, I’m not quite sure what you’re talking about. But I’m talking about this. When nurses are on the frontline of having to literally choose who lives and who dies because there’s too much demand and not enough resources- I take it seriously. The virus can present as something extremely mild- so we should treat it as the virus regardless of what else it might be to avoid this cluttering of hospitals and need to choose something that should NEVER have to be chosen.

 

[anthony]

Guidance says if people experience symptoms they should be off for two weeks. It does not specify how long symptoms should be experienced for.

That is my understanding too based on Australian Government medical advice.

IF YOU DISPLAY ANY SYMPTOMS, YOU ISOLATE FOR 14 DAYS.

No exceptions, regardless whether you now feel better. We have the same issue in Australia, people not doing this.

Saying that - humans are selfish, idiotic and prone to completely irrational behaviour. It's what makes us such lesser evolved creatures. Very few are willing to sacrifice for the greater good. We are our own best and worst enemies - the entire human race.

Right now, we all just need to accept the fact that humans are these very things, try and get through it, then see what happens on the other side.

The honest truth is that the virus is out. We have to deal with it the best we can. Then the blame game will be in full effect. I would be more worried about the blame game consequences right now, as that will affect greater numbers than the virus possibly does if things go to shit that much.

 

[siniang]

That is my understanding too based on Australian Government medical advice.

IF YOU DISPLAY ANY SYMPTOMS, YOU ISOLATE FOR 14 DAYS.

International forum. :) The CDC has different guidelines.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

• • If you will not have a test to determine if you are still contagious, you can leave home after these three things have happened:
• • • You have had no fever for at least 72 hours (that is three full days of no fever without the use medicine that reduces fevers)
      AND
    • other symptoms have improved (for example, when your cough or shortness of breath have improved)
      AND
    • at least 7 days have passed since your symptoms first appeared

 

[Chris-duck]

@siniang those guidelines indicate that people should be off for seven days since symptoms appeared. That guidance wasn't followed...

 

[siniang]

@siniang those guidelines indicate that people should be off for seven days since symptoms appeared. That guidance wasn't followed...

I was specifically talking regarding the 14 days you guys quoted. Those guidelines also talk about fever...