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Does Complex Trauma Mean I Am A Target For Nasty People?

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It's soooo easy to sit in front of my computer and say 'Good for you', Lizio, because yes, it will be hard. I mean it though-and it's do-able because you're processing why he's been able to manipulate you into accepting this all this time. Eventually the head does allow one to get to the point of mostly doing TK's one strike thing, although geesh- I wish I'd bumped into the forum or something like it with others to bounce off of years and years ago. It probably would have saved an entire further idiotic marriage- saying no across the board the first dam time. We get there.

Just will be thinking of this for Tuesday. The professional counselors are very good at summing things up, figuring out situations and seeing what's up. He/she will have good guidance of the next step for everyone. Must feel such a relief, these first steps, for you and your children.

Wishing you much peace.
 
Thanks anni,

Unfortunately my 3 year old has been vomiting all day.

I could not go to the last counselling session because my 10 year old had the same bug. So my husband went on his own that time. I had psyched myself up for that session and was so upset about not being able to go I ended up with a huge panic attack.

So this time I will go and my husband will stay and look after my daughter. There is no-one else to look after her. Again I have psyched myself up and, again I will not be able to get this dealt with. I really had to work at not having another full blown panic attack this morning, though I was pretty much there.

Seeing a counsellor who I have never met before and having to explain all this is going to be so difficult for me. I'm just going to have to see what happens. I hope I can keep myself focused, but I just don't know. This is just so hard.

I'm trying to think of what to say and how to say it, but I feel so down now. This trauma stuff seems so overwhelming I just don't know how I am supposed to pull myself out of all of this. I just have to try and focus, really focus.
 
Poor your Lizzio! I'm so sorry that you're three year old is not well and that you will be going on your own. The important thing is that you are going though, and try not to worry about what you will say or how you will say it. It's the therapist's job to put you at ease and facilitate what you need to tell them. If it helps, write down the important points that you want to discuss either tonight or over the course of your sessions.

Remember, it's about how you hit it off with the therapist too, so try to sit back and get a read of how good a fit this person is for YOU. It's your therapy, and it's important that you feel this person is a good match. Maybe it will be a good thing that you will be meeting them alone for the first time.

It's hard to anticipate something new, particularly when it seems stressful. Take the day a minute at a time and soon you will be there talking about the things that you need to, if it seems right. (((((hugs))))
 
OH the poor kids, and what dreadful timing with that stupid bug, too! Yes, seems like when something terribly important is going on one can count on a child to fall out of a tree or start throwing up-something, poor little guys and rats for us.

I have noticed that T's do seem to be able to draw us out. I've been with mine awhile-still do that thing you're describing of thinking I'll never be able to get things in my head organized and OUT for him to make sense of. I realize its different for you-first time, so much to say and get across. They are trained to 'see' so, so much, pick up on what you're wishing to say, lead you into the next bit-make it safe for you to do so. Your counselor will have seen your situation before, also-it's not going to be new to him/her, you know? They're not allowed to really jump to conclusions but still- they pretty much can intuit the dynamics of things however it is it's presented to them by us, draw us out further. Takes a ton of pressure off, thinking they won't 'get it'. It's easy for me to say 'don't worry' since it's terribly worrying, of course. They really do just see much more than we think they do, that's all, then help us get the rest of it out.

I hope everyone is feeling much better soon, and you much less stressed and worried. Do please take care of yourself.
 
Thanks anni.

I saw the counsellor. She was very nice and did help put me at ease.

I had tried to practice what I'd say in my head. It did not come out that way. I was blubbing all through the session, but I think I got a lot out. I think it was probably better that the session was with just me and not with my husband as well.

Thing is looking back it is hard for me to remember everything that was said and I still keep feeling like I am some sort of fraud.

There is a plan there for how we proceed. I haven't got that fixed into my head, but it did make a lot of sense when she was explaining it at the time. She did seem to know what she was doing. And I have to trust her as I just don't seem to be able to trust myself. I can only cope with small things at a time.

I feel totally exhausted now but at least I am moving forward.
 
I used to feel targeted, and I never could explain it. Then a friend, a retired county sheriff (the big cheese himself) explained it to me- they are predators and we are the prey. Like in a herd of cattle, the wolves know by instinct which of the cattle to target. You may look at the herd and see little difference. Maybe a few older ones, some calves, and that's it. But the wolves, they can focalize on those they feel are easy game.

Unlike wolves, the human predators have no true "right" no logical reason for their actions. They are depraved, sick and cruel. They do it for enjoyment, because they are so cowardly themselves that they won't take on a strong man, instead they pick those that are weaker. You and I.

It used to happen to me. Now I am regularly in trouble with the local pigs because of it. Before, when predators would select me, I'd get done to me whatever they wanted to do. I have been beaten, raped, gun shoved to my head, shot at, and then jailed when I defended myself. Now, when a predator makes a threat towards me,I take them on. I'll fight them. I may lose, but those that see it have respect for me, and I even respect myself for it. I'd rather do time in jail for standing up for myself than live with the memory of backing down and "accepting" what cards are dealt.

If the cops don't like it, too bad. They aren't there to protect me, so what's it to them? There are the criminal predators, that have done the crimes to me, and then there's the cop predators. Cops that don't really give a damn that you don't want to be raped again. You did wrong and damn it they'll bend over backwards to make sure you pay for it! In the mean time failing to recognize that it's only self defense and that if you didn't defend yourself, you might be raped again, or better yet- dead.

The best way to deal with these predators is as I have done- take a stand. I hurt, physically still, for taking a stand. But inside I actually feel tremendously better about myself.
 
Thank you for posting this line, Lizio!!! Thank you to all of you for participating!!! I think this is an extremely important issue and I need to spend lots and lots of time reading all of the comments in depth.

Like many of you I attract weirdos. In my case, weirdos can take on many shapes and sizes.

Throughout my childhood and early adolescence I had this particular skill of attracting people who had only sexual intentions behind their actions. For some reason I could not recognize their behaviors. When I actually did, I would immediately go into dissociation mode. So either way I could not and did not protect myself. The scary part was that I considered all of this normal, just a part of being a normal person.

Whether I was sitting on a tram in Milan, Italy, riding home from school with a nose in some book, I would find a guy standing close to me and thus blocking my ability to leave. Of course at the age of 6 or 7 I did not have too many self-defense skills and with my ample experiences with my father nothing really shocked me. This same scenario happened 3 times, ironically each time was the first day in a long time I had chosen to change my appearance to make myself look more like a girl. In Italy, men tend to have their hands on their genitals during every day conversation. So at first that part didn't spook me. The first guy wore dark blue corduroy pants. The next thing I noticed was that there was a bulge in his pants. Then the zipper was open. Soon after I saw an erect penis, which the guy would push toward me with a newspaper or jacket or something similar. After a few strokes with his hand, I had semen covering my book. The second scenario played out relatively similar although I do not remember the details of the clothing. It was a different tram number (either 4 or 8 because it had a cabin and the seats were around the edges). So the guy was facing me and the semen actually hit me in the face). The third time I was a little more prepared. I had a German rectangular and hard school back pack (you can see them in the beginning of the Neverending Story Film I when the kids chase Bastian into the dumpster). Once I realized what was happening and saw the erect penis, I did what my mom had suggested and I got up, rammed the school back pack into the guy, which sent him flying backwards. He landed on his back with his erection straight up in the air. Still no people reacted. I got off at the next stop and ran home the rest of the way. The first time upon arriving home I ripped out the barrettes in my hair. The second time I ripped off the dress I was wearing. The third time I proceeded to tear out all of my hair from my head screaming that I will never ever be a girl. Of course the next day I would head back to school, my one safe place.

A few years later (I was 10), after we had moved to Germany and my parents had left, my friend's sister (age 21 or 22) became attracted to me and wanted a relationship. Somehow I thought that I had actually consented to this. The mom kicked me out of their house because I was a bad influence on the daughter. So we moved our activities to my house or my friend's car.

At age 16, I took a summer class on sexual abuse of children at the U of Minnesota. The instructor invited 3 perpetrators and two of their wives during one of the days. My ASL interpreters arrived late after the lunch break. So the teacher took the time to explain to the class and guests my story and why we had to wait. My friend signed to me what the teacher was saying. Then everyone looked at me, especially this one blonde perpetrator, and started clapping for whatever reason. At the end of the day the guests approached the instructor and hugged her good-bye. I was collecting my stuff and filling my backpack they approached me and wanted to give me a hug as well explaining what a pleasure it was to have met me. I dissociated just to be able to put up with the touch.

Since then, the weirdos have mostly changed roles. They are now staff, hired as my personal care attendants by the county, to help me with daily tasks. It does not matter who they are or as who they start out being. When they work with me, they explain that their job does not pay enough. So if I expect them to come regularly, I need to give them money for extra gas, etc... One actually convinced me that she wasn't sleeping because her apartment was too hot and she really needed a window air conditioner, which I somehow found myself buying for her as a present. Other PCAs don't come at all, but expect me to sign their paper work. As I definitely have a really hard time setting boundaries and am terrified of conflict (even slight disagreements have me dissociating or self-stimming in different ways) I can't resolve the problem myself. If the PCA is an acquaintance the reporting process is more difficult. However, even with a stranger at some point it becomes obvious to other workers that work is not being completed and off we go to look for a new agency. Our latest attack plan is that the homemaker at least comes during the same time another worker is here so that the rules and communication can be set up and I can learn how to deal with this better.

This is all beyond embarrassing to admit and plays an enormous role into why I feel so guilty about letting things happen, as well as feeling ashamed, and not having any right to be on the face of the planet, my main goal in therapy. I am now clearly an adult. I am educated, can successfully teach classes at the University, I am intelligent, a proactive fighter for disability rights, and yet, these minimum skills for boundary setting are a complete mystery to me. Reading books, watching others, role playing, etc... have had no change in my ability to stand up for myself. Clearly I have lots to learn... and hopefully somewhere I can find the magic key...
 
I have lost boundaries, too. Bad people come in and I think they are good till it's too late. My only solution has been isolation. Does not take long to get into it deep when I come out for some air.
 
Today, I encountered an analogy by Sean Stephenson while watching a documentary and thought I would share here.

He used the analogy of magnet attraction in a therapy session with his client who wanted to discuss constantly becoming a target. She felt worthless, had negative outlook upon human relationships (which I admit I also do).
His analogy goes: When we hold a magnet called victim mentality within us, then we attract the victimizers and victimizing environments and we become victims once again. In order to break away from such cycle, we must try hard to get rid of such magnet and it will help us discover the good environment and the good people around, those of which were hidden behind the layers of victimizers.

I had to try hard to not take everything so personally. It took quite a bit of effort to shun the self-pitying. I still have to work on opening up and not constantly isolating myself from the rest of the world. I will try to learn from Sean Stephenson. If anyone's interested, there are loads of resources out there from him. He also has a youtube channel!

Hugs everyone :)
BlueKitty
 
BlueKitty,

Thank you for the information. This is a tough area for me too, as I don't always set good boundaries and am a little slow to recognize the unhealthy behaviors in relationships.

Very helpful.
Debbie
 
Thank you for posting this line, Lizio!!! Thank you to all of you for participating!!! I think this is an extremely important issue and I need to spend lots and lots of time reading all of the comments in depth.

Thanks Deaf Global Nomad.

I was beginning to get a bit worried that I am actually writing too much on this forum which I have a tendency to do. I am trying to work all this stuff out and reading about it just does not seem to get into my head. Seeing what other's have experienced seems much more real.

I am so sorry for all you have been through but it is such a good example of attracting awful people.

I love it how you describe:

"I am now clearly an adult. I am educated, can successfully teach classes at the University, I am intelligent, a proactive fighter for disability rights, and yet, these minimum skills for boundary setting are a complete mystery to me."

That is so true. I feel like I am a reasonably intelligent person (sometimes) and it is very important that I am compassionate and care for human rights issues yet I seem to have no boundaries to set I just don't know how to do it. I am always worried I will upset someone. Always worried for the other person. But on the rare occasions that I do stick up for myself then I think I end up overstepping the mark, I don't know how to find that balance.

Does that get covered in therapy? Is there a way of learning how to do that?
 
When we hold a magnet called victim mentality within us, then we attract the victimizers and victimizing environments and we become victims once again. In order to break away from such cycle, we must try hard to get rid of such magnet and it will help us discover the good environment and the good people around, those of which were hidden behind the layers of victimizers.

That's really hard. There are times when I thought I had stood up for myself and tried not to become a victim but somehow it still happened. I just feel now I've tried really hard but they still find me.
 
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