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Poll What Is The Workplace Really Like For Employees With PTSD?

What Is The Workplace Really Like For Employees With PTSD?

  • For the most part I have been treated fairly

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • Sometimes I have been treated fairly and sometimes I have not

    Votes: 17 54.8%
  • For the most part, I have been treated unfairly

    Votes: 6 19.4%

  • Total voters
    31
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Grama-Herc - The poll is designed to measure your perceptions of your employers. I can see in your answer that while you feel the first employer may have been slightly justified, that after investing 8 years with them, perhaps they could have invested a little more time in helping you out - even if it wasn't strictly required by law. Your answer gives a perfect illustration of the confusion that can arise about how we are treated in the workplace. Thank you so much for your participation.
 
Hi,

I have told a few people I've worked with, and those I have told have treated me with respect and understanding. Most people I have worked with have noticed that there is something 'different' about me, and treated me with respect and understanding as well. However, I must include a rider here: I have been told that people respect me because I have an 'unknown quality' about me, and I come across as a very strong, and 'dangerous' person (not 'dangerous' as in postal, but 'dangerous' as in 'not sure how far she'll go to get what she wants'). I am not in any way a 'victim' type.

Those people who have been too... stupid... to see that I'm 'different' have learned really fast the consequences of trying to push my buttons. I'm not a violent person - these days - , but I do 'walk softly but carry a large stick' (Teddy Roosevelt).

In my current workplace, there are very few people who know about my CPTSD, and these are people who affect when, where and how much I work - they have been very understanding, and I am able to arrange my teaching classes (I am an academic at a uni) to suit. They have also given me an office that is away from the rest of the offices, has its own air conditioning, and has direct access to the outside of the building, so I have peace, control over my environment, and an easy escape route. I have been very fortunate.
 
Work place for employees with PTSD

I think working with a history of ptsd is extremely difficult. At first I was a people pleaser. If someone offered me say gum or candy I felt I had to accept it. I know now that was b/c I was obedient to my parents. If they told me to meet them somewhere I'd panic if they were late. I thought I was doing something wrong. It took years for me to become assertive. I realized at a certain point I saw my supervisors as my parents. What a revelation that was.

I think too many things come out while at work. It took me a while to figure out office politics. My perspective was that no one was a friend they were my coworkers. And I envied people who seemed to be friends. I felt lonely and isolated. I'd think why dont' people like me. In spite of that I kept plugging away at work. I think the workplace aggravates ptsd.

I work in a super busy health clinic. Almost all of us voice we're stressed and overwhelmed. Sometimes its so hard to get up in the morning. I just hate to get up and go to work. I can tell how stressed I am by how I feel from when I'm not working to when I am working.
 
It was a very hard choice to disclose the nature of my illness to my employer. My immediate co workers, most of them, empathized and tried their best to help me. My supervisor was the best, but I think only because we became very good friends as co workers before she became my supervisor. She had her own stuff to go through and because work became very stressful at time it was to take over for the other for a few minutes and to just comfort each other.

On the other hand, the more "up" in management you go, the worse response I got. My site manager attempted to sympathize after I told her, but she is the type of person to tell you about how great her life is in an attempt to make you feel better. She just did not get it, but at least she tried. I told her I had a car accident a couple years ago and at least she understood it was tied to that and tried not to be so hard on me. She wrote me up once because I missed work while attempting suicide. I told her and she hugged me and apologized she had to write me up, but it was only technically a "verbal" warning.

When it came to more upper management, and I started taking time off work, I chose not to disclose it. Only because I work as a civilian in a company of ex officers, RCMP and soldiers. My human resources manager, being an ex soldier, does not understand how "civilians" get stressed and he believes there is no such thing as PTSD and that those labels are nothing better than excuses. So while I was on medical leave he decided I was too "unreliable" and took me off my work site.

I am still on medical leave benefits and will quit as soon as my benefits stop because I felt so disrespected by the HR manager. Because I am contracted I have no labor rights, and he is totally taking advantage of that.

It's time for a change anyways. It was very hard at first but hopefully the next employer I find will go much more smoother =).

So I had a little of both. I was greatly supported by co workers (they even called around for therapists for me after I told them the mood disorder clinic turned me away) but the higher up in management I went, the less support and reasoning I got.

I hope this can help you with your research.
 
Hi

This is fascinating research. I hope the information gained will be useful.

For my own part I have not disclosed my PTSD. In fact my therapist has strongly advised me against it, although at times I wish I could. Earlier in the year I had nearly 4 months off work, and my GP was careful with the wording of my sick note, but that led to rumours and assumptions about why I was off. Since coming back to work I have been asked on a couple of occasions why I was off but have refused to say. This is more about co-workers being nosy than a desire to support me. While I was actually off I have been told that one co-worker went to my manager DEMANDING to be told my reason for being off. What she did not know was that actually my manager did not know either! The same co-worker then came to my home, walking past my husband, straight into my living room and insisted that I needed to sort out some problems at work. She got short shrift then, and I have avoided her ever since I returned. My manager suggested I make a formal complaint but I just do not have the energy.....

I would hope for support at work if I disclosed, but in reality it is unlikely. It is more likely that my work would be restricted. I trust my therapist, and he knows my workplace very well. I would like to help to reduce the stigma and tell everyone, but not if it is going to negatively effect my own health and wellbeing.

Good Luck!
 
Wow, Lucycat,

That sounds like a rough ride. I'm so sorry your co-workers are such skunks. That is obnoxious behavior and honestly, I have to agree with your manager that a formal complaint is more that in order here.

You know, before I started doing this research, I never thought that there were so many people on Earth walking around with PTSD and not getting any support to be successful at work. I certainly understand why you wouldn't disclose it if it was going to be a problem for your health or anxiety level. You can't put yourself at personal risk to fight a social stigma.

All I can do is wonder about the vets coming back from the Gulf War, there are so many. How are they going to come back to any semblence of a normal life if they can't be honest with their managers about what's happened to them and how their brains are now rewired?

What kind of untapped talent pool is there in people who just need someone to understand, protect and support them the way the law requires employers to do? Is it such an impossible thing to shut co-workers like yours down? I can tell you if I was your manager, I would have hung that employee from a tree whether you wanted to file a complaint or not. I'd file the complaint myself, as the manager. Then I'd probably find a way to show her the door.

Anyway, now I'm digressing on my own topic. Please keep telling more about your experiences, this is my way of giving employees with PTSD a collective voice. What works, what doesn't work, what's a misunderstanding and what downright sucks.

Thank you all for your participation!
 
Working in mental health I have had some interesting experiences. Overall in the United States it is a little taboo for a licensed MH professional to disclose, not to mention have, a history of mental health issues.

One job I had not only would have it been extremely detrimental for me to disclose, but the work environment was extremely triggering. It was my first psychotherapist position, I was working with kids, my supervisor was terrible and unsupportive, and I didn't receive even half the supervision and training promised upon hire. Not to mention that the office was extremely micromanaged. The unstable and unpredictable work environment triggered a lot of issues with my childhood and school. Eventually I was asked to resign, even though I was leaving anyways.

My current job the fact that I had some mental health history was known when I was hired. A former professor was a department head, and he was aware I had accommodations when I was in school. My current agency is extremely progressive and actively encourages people with personal experience in mental health to be employees. It is actually so progressive the upper management who knew about me was a little too excited about me working there and my history, and continued to act extremely embarrassed when they mention it to me forgetting I have chosen to not disclose at work.

I actually find this kind of cute when they do this, rather than feeling like my privacy has been violated. It is nice to be in a place where I know I am excepted and my life story can't be used against me. It is also good to know if I did hit a rough patch with my PTSD that I'd have support. Honestly, I am really thankful to have my job, and it's a rarity to find something like this in my field.
 
I work in a small business which is run by a local family. Not my family just others. I live inner-city but its like a country town - My bosses gave me time off when the trauma actually occurred. They treated me differently once it happened - tip toed around me for a couple of months. After a while they knew something was wrong. It was then that they started to be harsh on me. I struggled to keep focused and I'd have flashbacks and stuff at work and get really anxious. Because it was a small business they were always understaffed and over worked - I was the model employee before the trauma and I no my work deteriorated but I didn't get much sympathy or understanding from my bosses. I think In a different job my issues would have been less noticeable. To my bosses credit they never fired me. Im still working there but the owners have changed hands. My new bosses are very supportive - they don't no the extent of my problems or the root of my problems. This is helpful - they always allow we to take days off if I need them (I would never ask if I didn't really need the day to myself).

Im not sure how useful this is to you - but yer best of luck with your research.
 
Would you be willing to go into more detail, Wanting A Life? While the research paper has been completed this topic still interests me.
 
Would you be willing to go into more detail, Wanting A Life?
Thanks for wanting to hear, PTSD and Me.
I have some general answers and some specific answers that surround one of my traumas. In general - not being able to "escape" to a quieter or less busy place when I need to (of course no one else sees "normal work environments" as something you might feel a need to escape from), having to be around so many people not of my choosing who are putting out all kinds of different energies for hours on end, so much opportunity for normal and relatively minor cristicisms on the job - which my mind turns into, "I'm bad, I'm bad, bad,bad,bad....." or "I don't matter..." The last time I could work full time was 2007. Even for years before that I would come home completely exhausted from the emotion it took to get through a day - if I worked, that was ALL I could do that day. Now I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to find a place to live when I'm discharged from this crisis house - normal work and espeically meetings have so many embedded triggers. I am embarrassed to say that I am applying for SSI disability benefits - and even if I am approved it won't be for months. Very scary.

As far as my last job, from the end of 2005 to mid 2007 - I knew I had made a big difference by pretty much being given full reign to transform the Alzheimer's unit of the richest nursing home in the county. I keep up to date on progressive ideas and programs around the world, I take calculated risks, I talk directly to the state inspectors and ask what they think about innovative ideas that have had good results elsewhere, and then I implement them.

So I decided to take on the poorest nursing home in the county specifically because it was the lousiest place to live. There was no program on the Alzheimer's unit, so I had pretty similar free reign as far as designing the program from scratch. That part was great, and I want to be very clear that residents, clients, the people I am serving, are NEVER my stressors or triggers. Rather, I use my own symptoms to gauge how they're probably dealing with their environment. If I'm in auditory overload from the drone of the TV in the corner of the day room, so are the folks with Alzheimer's, whose world is confusing enough already. Even more importantly, I also know that all my folks who are hard of hearing (at least half the room) will be having a harder time interpreting their environment due to the noise clutter.

So I pretty much had no budget - ok, I don't mind that challenge. BUT what I didn't understand about why this county home consistently had lower quality care had everything to do with the UNION combined with corrupt and just plain lousy administration. Please NEVER put anyone you care about in a union nursing home. The unfortunate end result of this combination is that ABUSIVE STAFF CANNOT BE FIRED. Throw in a culture where "union workers don't report on other union workers," to quote one nurse's aide. Holy cow! I've never seen anything like it!

My co-worker, who I had to spend significant time with, had a major anger problem which he freely aimed at almost anyone in general but always had a favorite target for. I can still hardly believe that NO ONE TOLD ME until the very hour that I left that the woman who had held my post previously had quit after dealing with his violent outbursts and other abuse for years. She, like me, had complained endlessly to our supervisor (who was too scared to confront him) and then to the administrator. The administrator similarly did nothing despite continuous complaints of his outrageous behavior. Eventually the worker took her complaints to the police and was easily able to get a restraining order against him. Since he couldn't be in her vicinity, the administrator fired him. The union took up the case and he got his job back because there had been no prior disciplinary action - because the administrator had inappropriately ignored all her earlier complaints in the first place.

When I came in I was John's perfect target. No amount of the supervisor seeing his innappropriate behavior or of my written complaints amounted to any discipline. At one point he was walking aggressively and fast toward the dog I had trained and partnered with in the nursing home. I stayed by her side to protect her and he body checked me in front of the whole dining room full of residents. My supervisor saw it and blamed ME for not jumping out of his way. When we had to be together for outings on the van, he and even our supervisor would put the music up loud even though I had explained that I literally could not tolerate it. Life was absolute hell, because 5 days out of 7 I was stuck in this atmosphere.

One day I before I realized the depth of corruption of the administrator, I had an unfortunately closed door meeting with him about John. I said that he talked threateningly about his guns and about how he kept them in the car while he was at work, and that I was seriously worried that he would "go postal" one day, with me being his first target. The administrator's response was simply, "Don't you think I'm afraid he's going to shoot ME? I'm not touching him."

To my endless dismay, I have not had much luck in my life in finding guys who are both strong and good. I'm told and still firmly believe that this mythical creature exists, and I wonder and grieve at not having at least one in my life.

To make matters worse for me, I was simultaneously reporting on aides and nurses who were being abusive to residents. When I was interviewed for this job and they asked what my "weakness" was, I told them flat out that I could not handle and therefore did not tolerate disrespect or abuse of clients. "That's great," they said during the interview. When they found out that I MEANT it and would report it as high up the chain of command as necessary to fix it, it was a different story. By that time, I myself had become "a problem" for the administrator, and he saw that it would be much easier to get rid of me than scary John anyway. Might have had something to do with the state investigator that I finally had to call citing the administrator PERSONALLY for failing to report elder abuse.

I was already a basket case from spending my days like this. I was in major depression and found I had to nap on the linoleum floor of my office with the door closed just to get through each day. Spent more and more time holed up in there, crying.

I made the unfortunate mistake of telling the administrator at one point that I already had PTSD and that John was a major trigger. He said that if I could write it all down he might be able to at least keep John away from me by using ADA code because I had a "disability." Seeing no other options, I did write every incident that I could remember. Regarding my PTSD, I wrote that being forced to work with a constantly angry man who had violent outbursts was impossible. The son-of-a-bitch used that paper to claim that I was therefore ineligible to work on the Alzheimer's unit, which I had in the meantime transformed from a miserable place to a much much brighter, happier place with many fewer depressed residents. He called me to an ambush meeting with no union rep and said I could either sign a paper agreeing to be evaluated by their psychiatrist or be discharged immediately. I signed, but shouldn't have. That meeting was like being raped, with all the details reported to committee. I realize now that the strategy was to make it so difficult there that I would quit and they wouldn't have to deal with me OR pay unemployment, and it worked like a charm.

For a while I had the satisfaction of being able to air some of this dirty laundry on the local newspaper's comments section during a dispute over other corruption at the home. I haven't quite figured out yet whether that was healthy or unhealthy for me. But in any case, full time and often even part time work has been an impossiblitiy since then. And shame goes with that, not to mention poverty and homelessness... I don't know how many times my aunt (when I was staying with my family in Portugal last year) said, "I was never too proud to work!" My brother's cut me off emotionally, pretty much, apparently mostly because I don't "just get a job!" I even have a hard time believing myself that it's really as hard as all that ... but every time I try, I fall flat on my face. Anyway, long answer to your question I guess. Thanks for listening.
 
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I think in my last job, which is the one I can remember right now, I was mainly treated fairly. There were some incidences of bitchiness and weirdness, but on the whole I was treated quite well. The issue for me was with PTSD I kept forgetting things, and blanking out while I was working...ALL THE TIME.

I would file reports away in totally the wrong places, and not notice until it was pointed out to me. Usually I will learn from my mistakes, but this went on and on, pretty much for the whole time I was employed, so I can understand if they thought I was an idiot. I started to really question my mental health, but I think the nature of the job was just very bad for someone with PTSD to start with, so it wasn't really my fault.

There was a bully that took over the managers position, but I rarely had any interactions with her, and the women I worked with didn't take any shit from her.

The smell of the place was overwhelming to me, but no one else noticed, as they'd been there so long and were used to it. I didn't complain that much about it, but somehow the ladies there took it that I thought THEY smelled bad, which was not the case at all. I didn't discover they thought this until the last 10 minutes of my employment there...and by then it was too late to really explain.

On the whole though I feel like I'm lucky. I've had horrible bosses in the past before I had PTSD, so I feel like I have had a fairly good run so far. I guess there was a bit of exclusion that went on towards the last 6 months from the women there, and we were definitely very different and didn't gel some of us...and when the pack mentality hits, no one wants to be left on the outer, so they join forces.

I did feel very uncomfortable in the last few months, and new it was time to leave, but it was not from anything they specifically did...I just started feeling pretty insecure in myself, I think my self-esteem was really affected by all the misfiling that was going on. It made me feel stupid that I kept making such stupid mistakes for the whole 2 years, when it seems like a really easy thing to do...it's just filing after all.

I'm a pretty bright person and can work out complex things very easily, but simple stuff like filing seemed too much for me...which was hard to reconcile with.

I would also do crazy stuff like turn up to work on public holidays, and be late for work fairly regularly...not by much, but still on a regular basis. The ladies weren't too fussed about stuff like that though, but it was embarrassing that my misfiling kept creating a lot of confusion for them, to the point where the finally had to dissolve my position alltogether, and decided to take over all my duties, as well as there own (which were plenty), as they pretty much HAD to re arrange the files when I wasn't there, just to maintain order.

I chose not to tell them I had PTSD, and I haven't told the woman I am currently contracted to work for about it either, although she has been very understanding when I say I can't work due to emotional upsets and mini breakdowns and grief periods that have been coming up recently for me. She can be dominating though, and there are power plays afoot, but she is fair, I'll give her that.
 
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