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Is It Possible That Ptsd Can Make A Person More Gullible?

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For myself, I know now that in the family I grew up in, a big factor in the abuse was a general poverty of social skills. I only began to make my way towards an understanding of this when my youngest son, after years of unhappiness at school, was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.

He had some social awkwardness, & was always in trouble at school, for not conforming with teacher's expectations, despite having a good heart & great intelligence. Because he was smart, they never guessed he was misreading social cues & taking things literally. They thought he was deliberately sarcastic & disobedient.

I recognised some of his genuine confusion from my own childhood. I also recognised that my dad would be diagnosed with AS if he were growing up today. His lack of empathy, self centred view of things & demanding imposition of inflexible rules made him a scarey authority figure. I don't think he had any idea of how to behave appropriately towards a partner or young children.

My son didn't grow up in a physically & emotionally dangerous household. I did: the foundation experiences that ultimately, with later traumas, led to my PTSD. But I sometimes wonder whether the presence of autism in our family (AS is considered to be a form of autism) meant that I found my Dad scarey & unpredictable, not just because he exploded without warning, but because I missed warning signs. Maybe neither of us had the "normal" quota of intuitive social awareness.

I know I rely a lot on what is said, & am not a great reader of body language, which can make a person very vulnerable. The kind of brutal authority my Dad imposed made me vulnerable, & inclined to automatically do what I was told. Maybe my vulnerability to the further abuse I experienced was not just a conditioned obedience response, but the kind of gullibility discussed here - not recognising manipulation.
Whether because born that way, or trained by early experiences to be that way, people who don't have good non verbal communication skills, or don't have a clear "gut feeling" they are comfortable trusting, will be inclined to take others at face value. But it would be unfortunate to go from general trust to general cynicism.

Those of us who haven't automatically got a good social radar need to teach ourselves about what to watch for, including feeling uneasy - the kind of clues we might sometimes have, but disregard. Though his siblings needed not much help with this, I had to consciously instruct this son in what to do, when, why, & what to notice in others. Doing that helped me become aware of my own strengths & weaknesses in reading people.

When your boundaries have been routinely violated in childhood, you're not sure where they should even be. When you use words carefully to say just what you mean, you expect others to do the same. The combination of "obedience training" which is an effect of childhood abuse (having experienced non compliance as dangerous) doesn't encourage healthy skepticism.

But we can learn. We can get better at all of this stuff. We don't need to take a blanket position like "trust is always best" or "people are all out for themselves." What others apparently do so easily, we can learn to do too.

We need to trust in our own capacity to grow & change, & know that others can too. We need to remember that words can be powerful & persuasive, & are a wonderful tool, but are not enough in themselves.

We need to believe that even if we sometimes make mistakes, we can get good at this in time, & generally manage to sort out who & what to trust.
 
I really can relate to this thread. In fact, it prompted me talk to my son a little about my childhood. Every since he would ask questions about my childhood. Before I knew about PTSD, I just got really upset and couldn't answer simple questions he would ask like "Did you have a doll?" I didn't have a doll. I lived in a basement and didn't have enough food. So when he asked me if I was well liked as a child, I told him that I was dirty with holes in my clothes and couldn't talk to other children. I got so scared before I had to go home from school that my legs would start shaking and my desk would rattle and the teacher would yell at me. I am so different from the "bubbly, sparkly, vivacious and outgoing" (This is how I'm described now!) person that I eventually became. I still digress to stuttering when an authority figure is intimidating me.

But it must be all abused people. Recently I laughed as my friend came to visit me and she was sitting on my porch and I didn't know she was there. My dogs were outside and barking so I yelled really loud "Shut up and get in here". Well, she had abusive parents and she must have jumped 2 feet off the ground in reaction to having someone yell at her. Of course, I wasn't yelling at her and had I known she was there, I would have said "You're here! Yeah" but I thought my dogs were barking because there was a squirrel in view! I see that in my handyman also and I know he was abused. When I raised my voice, he would cower and look scared and hide and I wasn't raising my voice at him just calling the horses or dogs.

I feel I'm an intelligent woman and I'm in my fifties so you would think that I could have completely overcome my childhood trauma but I haven't. God knows I tried.

As far as not getting jokes and such. I know why I don't get dirty jokes and other jokes because I wasn't socialized and didn't talk to anyone about sex until in my 20's. That's when I found out that I had had sex with my father and brother. I didn't know what they did was sexual. I knew nothing. It just felt humiliating. What a life! But we are survivors and we will end up being stronger than those who didn't have the experiences we did. I'm older so believe me that one day, you will be stronger than those around you. I promise!

Hugs,
Gloria
 
Thankyou Gloria, and everyone who participated in this thread.

I do have the sense that I can grow to become better at learning to read body language etc. I just wish it didn't take so long. I wish I wasn't so slow at it. In some ways I am really evolved, like beyond anything my parents or brothers could even imagine...and in other ways I'm so behind and slow. That can be hard to come to terms with, just that fact in itself.
 
Thankyou Gloria, and everyone who participated in this thread.

In some ways I am really evolved, like beyond anything my parents or brothers could even imagine...and in other ways I'm so behind and slow. That can be hard to come to terms with, just that fact in itself.


I know exactly what you mean! In so many ways I am mature beyond my years but in so many other ways I am so far behind.
 
I ain't been diagnosed but I am generally cynical but go along with things because I give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean I know I am cynical so sometimes I think maybe I over-compensate and therefore I might seem gullable. I kick myself nowadays for doing it though because a lot of the time because I aint been following what my gut tells me. I think its a form of dissociation.
 
I can grow to become better at learning to read body language etc.
How do you do when it comes to implicit social rules? Stuff like 'If the guy on stage sings a personal song that makes him cry, we don't applaud but merely sit in 'compassionate' silence, as if he hadn't just made himself cry on purpose in a skillful act of emotional exhibitionism.' I suck at this, pretty hard. It's like irregular verbs, and every time you apply a general rule (good performance -> applaud) to a specific case (performance involved crying but was not labeled 'play' -> don't applaud), you're looked at as if you were a child who can't even speak properly.
 
I ain't been diagnosed but I am generally cynical but go along with things because I give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean I know I am cynical so sometimes I think maybe I over-compensate and therefore I might seem gullable. I kick myself nowadays for doing it though because a lot of the time because I aint been following what my gut tells me. I think its a form of dissociation.
I think sometimes I give the wrong people the benefit of the doubt and don't give the right people the benefit of the doubt, so it gets all screwed up for me at times.

It can also be hard to interpret text online too, so I shouldn't beat myself up here, but I did have an incident just last week where I left a forum I had been part of for years, after I gave a pretty snarky reply to a woman who I thought was trying to one up herself at my expense.

It was on the subject of venting, as I started a vent thread and had a little vent which caused a huge ridiculous debate and debacle amongst the other members who protested against the existence of the vent thread, and she came on saying how maybe she is just better at controlling her emotions so she doesn't let the everyday things in life get to her to the point where she needs to vent, and it really seemed like she was saying she was better than me, but I got that wrong it seems and got called on it by another member who said I was discourteous for not giving her the benefit of the doubt...when I hadn't really interacted with her that much before, and didn't know here really.

So yeah, I seem to be really good at not believing in the government or what they say, but really bad at giving regular people the benefit of the doubt...even though it sometimes turns out that I was right not to? I do get bouts of paranoia I suppose, and have been told I think people are out to get me. I'm not usually aware that this is what I am putting out, but this is the feedback I have gotten from certain people. I'm not always sure they are telling me truth or just projecting their own crap on me though.

Given the ptsd factor though, it is probably me.:(
 
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