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I Dont Need You, So Get Off My Case!

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I get the impression that the reason you decided to take a six week break could be an issue, and one you may have mentioned in your email to inform him of the break. Is this an issue for you? Did you want him to respond to that? Did you want him to ask you why? Is it something you want to discuss here?

You may be reluctant to answer my question, seeing that it might end up in a barrage of whatever, but I'm asking this with great sensitivity, as I know I that I would have wanted my therapist to not only confirm having received my email, but actually show some sort of concern.
 
Oh and I agree with Pencil. ;)I can understand your frustration. And I can totally understand if you expected him to ask why if that had not already been discussed.
 
But after I decided more than a week ago, to take a break from therapy, I've not heard from my therapist since. No call, no reply to a follow up email, nothing.

Stating that I can email him whenever I choose but he will decide if he'll write back or not.
This is what I don't understand. He told you, obviously from your own words, that he will choose to respond or not. You obviously don't like that he chose not to respond to your message saying you're taking a break.

Why would that require a response? A client wants to take a break... no problem with that. A therapist shouldn't be ringing you and trying to get you back into the office, as that also crosses a boundary in respecting a clients wishes to choose. You chose. It is that simple. He then made a choice, to accept and not respond. Yet here you are... upset that he didn't respond because you informed him you're taking a break.

There is no need to respond to that. It incites that you want a discussion with him... simply by your wanting that response, some confirmation, something. You're talking about trust and reliability, yet you're the one taking a break, thus being unreliable in what he believes (as the professional) to be an interruption to your healing progress. Trust goes both ways in therapy. You trust he has your best interest at heart. He trusts that you're there not to waste his time and to actually work through the issue and get it dealt with, not avoid it for the choice of wanting a break during your sessions.

That is exactly the same as just not turning up during an established trauma plan session. You may as well piss all over the plan and don't worry about getting better, as that is what is implied when a person doesn't turn up, or decides to have a break when it simply wasn't known or discussed in sessions.

I'm sorry, but people run around blaming therapist for way too much... when they have often the most fault in their healing. How much or little you work on yourself is your doing. Attending planned and scheduled sessions is your responsibility, not the therapists. Implementing and doing assigned homework is the clients responsibility, and the list goes on and on.

People need to start taking more responsibility for their own actions, and put less blame onto their therapists for things they aren't even in control of.
 
Telling a therapist that you are taking a break then emailing them anyway is a mixed message.

So, when you said "break" did you mean completely, or just communicating via email, or something else? Because it's possible he assumed that taking a break means no contact.

Did you write in your email "please let me know that you've received this" so it was clear you wanted further contact and wouldn't be offended by it?

This may be a simple miscommunication or difference in expectations and nothing more.

He's not spending all this mental energy on your email as you are. He may not have any idea at all that you're angry or wanting contact from him right now on your stated "break."

I have been where you are, so I understand the emotions. But all the distress is what's in your own head right now, and so is the ability to consider that there might be other ways to see it, and find relief from the mental torture you are putting yourself through.

You seem to think we don't understand, but we've all been where you are, and we've come through it. So you have a resource here of people with real wisdom we're sharing.

Hang in there.
 
I have been where you are, so I understand the emotions. But all the distress is what's in your own head right now, and so is the ability to consider that there might be other ways to see it, and find relief from the mental torture you are putting yourself through.
I agree, absolutely, but I want to start somewhere else.

Oy, even I feel uncomfortable reading this thread. I too run around in stupid circles, get my knickers in a knot no matter what my therapist does (did, actually, seeing that I am also 'taking a break' from therapy). I know how stupid my actions are, I know how over sensitive I am, I know how exasperating my therapist must find me at times. But that is exactly what I am trying to deal with, that is exactly the reason I am in therapy. If I did not do these things, I wouldn't even consider therapy.

TP, forgive me if I'm patronizing and fighting your battles for you, and especially for perhaps misrepresenting you. For all I know you don't identify with my AT ALL. But I do think the tone of the responses have been a bit harsh. The voice of reason, yes. The sober, rational, adult response, yes. But harsh nonetheless. And possibly unfair.

And the reason for thinking it is unfair is that this type of behavior is symptomatic of complex PTSD / or developmental order deficit / early relational trauma - whatever the powers that be will call it once they have figured it all out. And this is part of the problem; it is a fairly new area of research. And we have to remember that even though we are all on this forum under the PTSD label, our coordinates on this map are not identical - each one of us not only has a different coordinate, but these coordinates are determined by exactly where many unique things intersect.

TP, I consider myself (and people who know me would fully agree) to be a highly cerebral person, and rational, reasonable and fair. I can see a situation from multiple perspectives. I'm also highly compassionate.

That is, until I am in therapy - then all of those things simply scatter. The complex trauma researchers and writers describe this process very well, and I suggest you read more about it. Look at Christine Courtois and Kathy Steele especially. Perhaps I'm wrong, but what you describe comes across as what they would call 'Phobia of attachment'. They also describe the 'dance' between the therapist and the client. They talk about 'kaleidoscopic shifts'. Judith Herman says that for the complex trauma (she coined the term) client, 'there is no room for human error'. Reading the literature on the subject saved my sanity (you may disagree :oops:) for it explained my irrational behavior to me. And it is THIS behaviour that both drives me into therapy, and out the door again. :eek::mad::x3:

For a while, when my 7 yo daughter didn't like a boundary, such as no sweets before meals, she shouted 'I hate you!!'. At times it annoyed me, yet I consistently responded with something like 'That's okay, and I will always love you more than anything in the whole wide world'. Arguing with her about how the rule is there for her own good .. blah blah blah would have been counterproductive. She has now dropped the 'I hate you' line.

Some of us go into therapy not to deal with trauma directly, and to get insight, or tools, or these cerebral things. We go to heal irrational, insane, nonsensical, stupid, mortifyingly embarrassing childlike behavior and emotions that show nothing less than arrested development - the things I call - referring to myself - potty training trauma - as it is early, messy and developmental. And this is exactly where the therapist needs to meet us. And mine DID. And this brings me to the therapist's orientation. No CBT for me - it would drive me to drink - and this thread has been very CBT. My therapist was psychodynamic, with a Self-Psychology something. I do honestly think that mine was not experienced enough, and dropped the ball ultimately, but the approach worked for me. And it is a self psychology therapist I will look for in future, but one older and stronger who will be able to deal with all my 'I hate you' embarrassing, stupid and counter productive tantrums. For that is where I am somehow broken.

Last year I had a flatmate - a person I'd known for a long time, but not well enough. After only three weeks she held me hostage and threatened to kill me. I had to be very calculating in finding the exact moment to phone the police. She was arrested on charges of assault, appeared in court and was sentenced. Afterwards Victim Support contacted me and asked if I wanted to see a trauma counselor. Hell, no, I was relieved to be rid of the crazy-ass, I felt heroic, and not traumatized at all, thank you very much. But let my therapist flutter at the wrong moment and I am a wreck.

One last thing: my previous landlady was a clinical psychologist, and bat-shit crazy. I looked at her clients arriving and leaving and I wondered if they idealized her in the same way that idealized my therapist. And that of course made me wonder if my therapist was as sane outside of therapy as she appeared to be inside the room with me. Not all of them are professionals who always act in the best interests of the client.

TP I apologize if this was all about me and if there is nothing you can relate to, and I apologize if you did not want me to stick my neck out for you. But I do think you will find something to relate to. Let me tell you why: The title of your thread contains the kind of 'I hate you ' message I get from my daughter and the kind of message I sent my therapist as well. It says 'Get off my case', while you want him to be on your case about the break; and you are angry with him for not being on your case about it. There is nothing wrong with not making any freaking sense when this is the type of thing you are in therapy to deal with in the first place. But I do think you need to start identifying exactly what it is you are upset about - no matter how nonsensical or embarrassing it might be. That is where the healing starts.

Okay, enough.
 
I would like to echo Pencil that I find some of the responses in this thread are very CBT-oriented. While cognitive-behavioural approaches are well established and accepted, there are some of us who don't find it helpful and work much better with other approaches. As per the forum rules, if a member has that opinion then I hope it will be respected by others even if they don't personally agree.

TP, I have to say that I think the issue of this recent contact seems like a symptom and is not the root cause of your distress. By putting your attention on that, and everyone else's it seems, I feel it's taking you away from the basic issue of whether you can find a way to work with this therapist.

If you're determined to make it work with this therapist, then I feel the starting point for that has to be either renegotiation of the rules and boundaries or, if that's not an option, acceptance of them. That's not from a CBT viewpoint, but from the point of view that I think it's impossible for anyone to build trust with someone while inwardly disagreeing with their way of doing things.

I think there has been confusion/misunderstanding about the content and timing of the recent communication you had with him, but I think that needs to be set to one side. You've referred in general to his not necessarily answering if you contact him and that seems to be a very sore point. There seem to be other things that are fundamentally difficult for you. If you want to find a way of working with him, I think you need to find a way through those things. Perhaps you could write down now how you feel about them and take that with you the next time you talk to him.

I do think you need to evaluate your wants and expectations, and explore whether you would have the same kind issues with any therapist. It doesn't sound like it was quite the same with the first therapist you saw, but I may have got the wrong impression.

All I can say from my personal experience is that I did not love therapy, or feel helped by it at all, when I had a therapist who was largely silent, didn't guide me through the process, didn't ask me questions to help me talk, and didn't offer lots of reassurance and validation. Therapy was no help to me until I found a therapist I could work with. There are a lot of different styles, and people thrive on different things. The important thing is whether or not you're making progress with recovery and moving forward.
 
I said, right up front in the first few posts that I do not solely blame my therapist. It is not all his fault. I think there is a big misunderstanding about when I posted that my T told me he will decide to repond or not. That was in regards to an email I wrote in which I was annoyed at the beginning of therapy about something he had said. In that context he told me that he would decide to write me back or not based on if he thought it needed a reply. Fair enough.

However, I have not written an email since about anything other than business. I am NOT blaming him for anything other than feeling like I want to make sure we are both on the same page.

I'm really kind of confused about how this thread really blew up into all sorts of opinions.

Anthony, while I understand your realist, "grow up and stop being a needy baby" attititude, I really disagree with your take on my post, but I know that others certainly get it. I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself initially in my original post becuase when I wrote it I was really annoyed and confused with the situation.
 
Pencil,

Wow! Your words really spoke to me, girl! You are right, the title of my thread does say "I hate you". I don't think it's the therapist I hate, but just the process of the unknown. I think about EVERYTHING! My mind never shuts off. I have to know what to expect and therapy does not afford me that. I feel like I'm flying blind and I'm going to crash into something at any moment. It's stressful beyond words!

I am ultra responsible. I am a perfectionist by nature. I hate to screw up, or not be on the same page with someone whom I feel obligated to. I'm highly organized and in control. You could say that I'm a bit of a control freak. I hate surprises and have have this incessant need to know whats happening next. I guess it's just all part of the anxiety I feel.

With that said, I think it's easy to see how I would expect others to reciprocate. And when they don't, I feel betrayed. Call it childish, call it selfish, call it cry baby, or whatever else, but it's really how I feel. I'm terrible at relying on others for help--this includes my T. Any inaction or misundertanding, I easily chalk up to the fact that he is completely inept at helping me, or doesnt want to help me, etc. I obviously can't read peoples minds, but I often put myself in a position to interpret what someone else is thinking and then take that for truth in my head. I'm sure that is a result from my past.

I do feel like some posts felt terribly harsh, but I got a "rules" reminder on my account this morning (not sure if or how I violated any of them), and I understand that people are entiled to thier opinions, even if I disagree. I feel very defensive, but that's my nature as well. We're all flawed, I guess. Some more than others.
 
TP,

I fired my current Therapist twice in reality, hundreds of times in my head. I get it.

All the feelings you're experiencing are a normal part of therapy. For those like me with severe abandonment issues, yes, the lack of response to a single email can feel like a gigantic whirlwind ofrejection, misunderstanding, breach of trust.

But all the fallout you feel doesn't change the fact that the trigger point was 'just' a lack of a response to an email. I know it feels like that is a justification for all the emotional pain you're in, but here's the thing.

You don't need ANY justification for your feelings. You are having many different feelings, and feelings aren't rational. Whatever you're feelings are, they're ok. That you got so triggered by his lack of response is a good sign that on some level, you have begun to weave the basis for a therapeutic relationship with him which can help you find profound healing.

You can continue telling yourself that it's because of (fill in intellectual basis here), but there's other ways of looking it it.

Some examples:

  • "Huh. I'm feeling rage and frightened and anxious. When has something else in my life caused me to feel this way?"
  • "It's not an emergency that he respond. But it feels like one. When have I felt this before? What is the voice in my head telling me?"
  • "Do I still want a break, or did I change my mind?"
  • "What can help me feel better right now?"

You've said some very harsh things about your feelings and self in this conversation. Therapists don't tend to think about us how we think about ourselves.

When you said that he finds you exasperating, what he's likely think is "She's going through a rough time and still pushing herself. That's a good sign" and "Hmmm....that is a really sensitive area for her. Maybe she'll be able to communicate what's behind that so we can work on it together."

I highly doubt he's thinking "I'm going to make her upset and not respond to this email because I know it'll tick her off." After all, he would have to be able to read your mind and predict the future to do that, and nobody can.

When has someone else in your life let you down like this before? How did you get through it?
 
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