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How Do You Help Yourself

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piratelady

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There are all these things that people can do to help themselves when battling depression. For example, I do find exercise can help to lift my mood. It makes sense if I exercised most days of the week it would help me to overcome this depression that is getting steadily worse.

My question is when the depression is bad enough that you are struggling to get out of bed and go to work, how do you get to the point where you can do these things for yourself? It's like, I know all sorts of things I could do that would help, but getting to the point where I can do those things, it feels out of my reach.
 
Gosh, Pireatelady, I was trying to find the words and courage to start the exact same thread earlier today.

I wish I knew, I wish I knew how. Currently I am in that place, doing less and less, knowing more and more things that could help - both practical things and ways of thinking and processing my world - and yet the actual type and number of even the most basic things I can do is getting fewer and fewer. It's as though I can feel the world sliding away from me, and I can watch it going, know how to pull it back towards me... but I can't.

When do you know when you can keep coping, versus when you can't. When is it time to keep fighting - when is it time not to. Sorry, I know these last weren't your original questions...

I'm sorry you're in this place too.

Maddog
 
I know how you feel and I am struggling with that getting going bit also. In the past I got myself an exercise buddy. We used to meet up 3 mornings a week for a walk and talk. By making the commitment I felt bad if I let her down as I knew she would be at the corner of the street waiting for me. It really helped. Some of my friends have an online thing going as they live in different cities. They do their daily walk then log it online. They keep in touch daily to encourage each other to keep on going. Just a suggestion.
 
My question is when the depression is bad enough that you are struggling to get out of bed and go to work, how do you get to the point where you can do these things for yourself?

I know what you mean! I was right in that exact place even just a couple weeks ago. I know essentially what I have to do but there's no motivation to do it and I just don't care to even try! Which is why they start you on anti-depressants first to hopefully give you more energy and motivation, but when the meds can't even get you to the point then what?

I was told 'push yourself' 'force yourself' - Yeah f*ckin right! that's NOT gonna happen. Seriously, weren't they listening to me? I CANT push myself or force myself... WTF dudes!

Okay, and then I got to the place...DUH! yeah I can. I can push myself and I can force myself to do small things first. Small things will grow with time. Just like it's the little stresses that pile up and push us down so fast it's the small things that pile up and make us better - a little bit slower though. And then you have to remind yourself on the bad days, that it is just a bad day and tomorrow is a different day or even the next hour is a different hour etc. You can. Because you have to. Slowly is the key that I'm finding works for me sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes nothing does but - tomorrow is a different day. It's really a DOH! moment you go through.

Today my therapist warned me that once my energy does come back my passive suicidal thoughts could turn into more concrete plans, so to watch out for those warning signs in myself and not to over-do it and literally- this is key- LITERALLY take it one hour at a time!

It's hard but you get better with practice.

1) Force yourself
2) Remind yourself tomorrow is another day (not a continuation of todays bad crap, but a different day)
3) Practice practice practice and reward yourself fairly for the small accomplishments that you achieve.
4) Follow steps 1,2 and 3 and repeat as needed.

:)
 
Today my therapist warned me that once my energy does come back my passive suicidal thoughts could turn into more concrete plans
Do you know why that is?

Going back to Maddog's question about when is it time not to fight anymore, I felt that way last night. I did email my therapist for an appointment this week. Since it's already Wednesday, I'm thinking he won't have any openings, so I might be on my own for another week.

I guess I need to set some sort of goal for today - I think my goal will be to exercise for 30 minutes after work, assuming I don't go out to dinner with a friend. Well, two goals, the other is no more vodka for a while, since I know that can add on to depression. :ninja:
 
Thank you for starting this thread, piratelady. I'm struggling a lot with this, a mixture of dissociation and depression, and it's hard to do anything.

Don't people find that sometimes you force yourself and it's worse than not trying at all? I have times making myself go to the gym then I can hardly move while I'm there, however hard I try, can hardly get myself back to my locker to get my things and go home. I don't know if that's exactly what Maddog means by knowing whether to keep fighting. I certainly don't know if making myself do something will make things better or even worse.

Innordinate, I love your
:ninja: spirit
I often need to channel this, for sure. I wonder if I sometimes need zen monk spirit and quiet acceptance instead.

At the moment, I'm mostly trying to take care of myself and make myself do low-level things. Instead of trying to make myself do something creative (which helps me, but only if I can manage it) I'm trying to listen to a radio play or look at a book. Instead of going to the gym, I'm trying to make myself do some stretches at home. Some days this makes me feel better, that at least I did something. Other days, it makes me wonder if this is no more than a steady progress towards nothing at all.

I feel like I shouldn't end on such a negative note, when others are rallying themselves. piratelady, I think 30 minutes exercise or dinner with friend sounds like a great goal.
 
Maybe I should add, that I think doing a relaxation exercise involving deep breathing always helps. Even if it doesn't make me feel very relaxed at the time, I know it has done me some good. So, I think that's more what you were originally talking about, piratelady? In which case, if exercise is like that for you, then I'm sending you a gentle push to get going!
 
Nice thread.

Wow. This one is the tough nut to crack.

In my journal, I allow myself an update section. For example, if I'm am in the bleakest of grays, I write that down. Then, if later in the day, even if it occurs at 11:59pm and I find I'm a wee bit better, I write that in the update section. It allows me to see that, ok, things did improve even if minimally.

If the critical voices in my head are hand-in-hand with the depression, I have to nap -- to try to wake up somewhat anew. It's more of a symbolic thing.

Sometimes I wash my face. Or, I groom one of my cats. Or, I do a couple of stretches. Then, afterwards, attempt the simplist household task that is quick and shows results FAST. I wash a few dishes or I start a load of laundry. Anything that I can "check off." Then, even if I'm still depressed, I can still say, "Well, at least I did so-and-so."

It is so hard to crawl away from the GRAY.
 
Do you know why that is?

It's because you now have the energy and motivation to carry out your suicidal plans. So instead of just being 'I wish I wasn't alive' you actually can make it happen.

Like they say (whoever they are), it's not when depressed people are depressed that you worry about them committing suicide it's when they're all of a sudden happier because they know the end is near.

I can still say, "Well, at least I did so-and-so."

Exactly! At least you did........something...anything.

Biggest thing I did and still try to do is to not be a victim any more. That can be many things to different people. So long as it's something you do that makes you feel no longer like a victim - of your disorder, of your day, of your job, of other people, of yourself, etc. etc. etc.
 
Hashi, you've nailed it exactly the way it is for me. Yes, sometimes forcing myself to do things works, and sometimes it makes everything a lot worse and I find myself wondering how I could have been so stupid and unresponsive to my signals as to try, and it's funny that you should so talk about the gym, because the gym is one of the key activities in my life right now... and so is one of the key indicators to me of whether or not I'm functioning.

I struggle hopelessly with how to know when it is right to push myself versus when it isn't. The need to understand that distinction seems critical to me, because the results when I get it wrong can constitute further and greater setbacks at a time when I know I don't have the resilience for them, including more triggers, escalating anxiety, worsening depression and ultimately yet more reinforcement of my sense that I can't go out or do anything.

And yes, sometimes those little compromise activities give me the tiniest twinge of hope that at least I have done something, and sometimes they instead feel like the little markers of gradual insideous demise, and it seems dangerous and naive to try to attach any other meaning to them. I struggle, sometimes hopelessly, with the "even a little bit is enough" sentiment, because it feels like an offer and an acceptance of certainty that I am diminishing and that the "little bit" will get smaller and smaller until it won't be there at all.

Interesting your point about journalling Sweetpea... I actually do find this is one thing I do sometimes turn to for a little comfort and connection when I can't do much of anything else. Like right now, for example, I am struggling to do much of anything, yet am sporadically finding the ability to come here to the forum and to write on my diary or on other threads. Writing is something that, even in a disorganised and distressed state, I can usually do to at least an average standard, and sometimes just being able to see evidence of some coherent and productive activity in my brain offers me a tiny ounce of comfort - and a little sense of connection (even if it's only false connection) when I am feeling terminally isolated and unable to do anything about it.

My therapist said to me on Tuesday that if I stop making it to appointments with him (which he knows are the most motivating thing in my life) he will know that hospital is a must for me and will make that happen. It both scared and comforted me to hear that. And mostly because for perhaps the first time ever, I very very almost didn't make it in to see him on Tuesday, and was more afraid of that fact than almost anything else.

There's more I want to say, later...

Maddog
 
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