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Mindfulness And Dbt (dialectical Behavior Therapy)

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Hashi said: ↑ it made me clumsy and I nearly broke something

It's the dish washing isn't it?!

I've only just seen this. It's way out of date but since this bothered me so much I thought I'd respond. It wasn't the dishwashing, but cleaning the mouthguard/jaw brace that I have to wear at night that cost me EIGHT HUNDRED POUNDS. It also involved a fitting that I really, really, really don't even want to repeat.

I think my main problem with the mindfulness-while-washing-dishes thing, or mindfulness for a similar task when you're a beginner, is that it's not only too much but it's actually counterproductive. To set the bar too high at the beginning makes the whole thing frustrating and even anxiety-provoking when it's supposed to be helpful.
 
Yikes Hashi!!!! I can totally sympathise with that. :( I lost mine by the way. How I did that I will never know. I even considered if I swallowed it for a while... :wacky:

I agree that too much is counter productive and for the reasons you mention. I also think suggesting to start with something unpleasant isn't wise or inspiring.


I have a mild phobia abut washing dishes even at the best of times. I have a few food related ick things. One being touching food on plates etc or even worse floating in water. So a nice mindfulness exercise for me!
 
To update, I am doing really well and finding it all to be really helpful. I have covered basic mindfulness, basic and advanced distress tolerance, and am now learning advanced mindfulness techniques. It is a lot of information, but some of these things I have learned on my own without even being aware that it is what I was learning :confused:.

I have to be honest, I am spending more time on 'self-soothing' than on other skills,;) but I think it has been a much needed and over-due skill for me.

Part of self-soothing, for me, has been to create some wisdom cards and I have been having a lot of fun with them. So far I have 40 of these cards and I use them daily to launch me into a positive mind-set. :playful: I also purchased some acrylic paints and some artist brushes and have been painting ceramic figurines. I find it to be relaxing and fun.

As you may have read, some of my accomplishments since beginning DBT have been to log 120 miles of travel time (even though I suffer with travel anxiety) and to tolerate a crowd of over 200 people (several times) although I have PTSD and social phobia. I attribute this to 'radical acceptance' of myself and others.

Some other things I have done as part of my DBT therapy has been to write a letter to my "higher power", a letter to my father (who passed away last December), and a letter of encouragement to myself. I have also established "life priorities".

My therapist is keeping me on my toes by asking me what is working best (for that 2-week period) and for examples of how it is helping me.

I am always so gung ho about getting DBT "homework" that I was asked what my plans were if I was to run out of homework, to which I happily replied, "distract, relax, and cope"...it was the right answer and she was impressed. :tup::):happy:
 
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What a cool update, Lionheart!

I was introduced to meditation and mindfulness many years ago. Until learning mindfulness, I think my meditation was primarily used as a vehicle to escape and not to feel things before I took the mindfulness class. I found it very, very helpful.

I stumbled on some DBT materials just last night - I was only able to peruse the materials I found. They looked interesting and, hopefully, I'll have time to check them out more this weekend. Glad to see this thread continue.

Drew
 
Thank you for updating us and letting us know how it is going. You sound like you are shooting forwards at an astonishing speed! I have to admit I am a little jealous.

Isn't radical acceptance the best thing ever thought of?

Self soothing is something I had not managed to do before I "found" DBT and mindfulness. I too do a lot and I find it has made all the difference. It was hard at first as felt so counter-intuitive. In fact it even made me hate myself. But I have become more used to it which is amazing.

Keep checking in if you want to and congratulations on all your accomplishments.
 
I have been in an intensive program since February. DBT seems to trigger me in every way possible. On Thursday my therapist told me that she was not finding the DBT therapy effective for me. I have only been telling her this since month 3. She would like to go to talk therapy. I am wondering why should I even bother? This makes me feel like I am therapy resistant. I put so much time and effort into the DBT skills. I guess the fact is DBT does not work for everyone.
 
(((Nighthawlk))),

I am sorry that DBT did not work well for you, I guess we all have to find what works for us individually, but I understand that it must be very frustrating for you. I hope you have better luck with other therapy modalities in the future.

Sending you healing hugs,
Lion
 
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I Have major issue with disassociating during the skills group. I was being triggered from school. The pressure to get it right and the people there asking me continuously if I even I wanted to be there.
I've had major problems regarding disassociating in groups. It is still my least safe place. Overall, the group experience amplifies every member's anxiety, in relationship to their past history in groups-families, schools, churches, etc. For this reason, groups are intense and require a skill set of safety and emotional regulation, to tolerate them.

The best therapy needs to build upon and start with situations where you demonstrate you can associate. Your own wisdom, that groups are triggering, is a sign to me that you may do well to back off from groups, for the time being. In the future, you can always expand your comfort zone into groups by gradually putting yourself, for the time you can tolerate, in groups of 3. Make sure to have one of those people be familiar and safe, to you.
I have been getting triggered while in the skill group for weeks. When I first started the meditation was the one thing I could do with out making my situation worse.
This is a good awareness-a place of safety, and a place to start. Meditations can be a time when the group energy tones down, and can be less triggering. Keep slowly playing with your edge, in your own timing. As pointed out earlier, you can taylor learning DBT in a way that works for you; maybe self-instruction and private therapy.
I got so angry at this stuff I no longer practice as much as I should. I no longer even like to open the book. I have gained some new things from this therapy but nothing seems to help when I am triggered.
Yep, there are times like that. Give ourself a break! Do what you need to do, to create safety, so you move into your equilibrium. It is this walk, of noticing, of feeling, and taking appropriate actions, that are at the heart of DBT. You are doing it, you see, already. This is significant. It may go unnoticed by most, because they haven't started where you started.

One of the reasons DBT has a group component is that
many people with BPD often like to socialize, in addition to it being a setting to help practice self-regulation while dealing with other people. I've noticed for many people with PTSD, including myself, that socializing and being in groups is the least comfortable situation, hence it is often the last skill set to develop.

Lastly, intelligent people (inclusive of all people with all diagnosis') can be challenged by DBT because, these intelligent/ left-brain developed individuals aren't use to 'not' being able to solve a problem quickly-with their mind, alone. DBT, Mindfulness, emotional regulation are MINDBODY and emotional/intellectual/somatic processes; they have a very different time line-their own. You are tending to this integrative process, already. Progress will come, even though it seems impossibly slow, at first. As you practice non-judgement of your process, and develop patience with the timing of emotional relearning, you may begin to have more experiences of success. The benefits are worth it and they will help you, for the rest of your days; you'll be able to open up realities that you wish to embody.

When I started this process, and was frustrated, I'd often default to negative self-talk, like you mentioned. At some point, I came upon some friends who helped me learn to laugh, appreciatively (like helping a child turn make light of a mistake), at myself. Playing 'I Love Lucy' with myself, in 'over the edge' moments, is added to other re-balancing skills, like relaxing, breathing, and noticing, that I practice.

Thanks for you post and this discussion!
 
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I am therapy resistant.
Nighthawk, I personally don't think there is any one thing that works for everyone. We are all unique.That does not in any way mean that you are treatment resistant although I can see it has left you feeling this way.

Did you find any part of it helpful when done at home and away from the group? Can you pinpoint which concepts or aspects of it were what set you off? Like Change said, was some of it being in a group? I never had the opportunity to do it formally in a group setting and sometimes I wonder if it is not better this way. I am not sure how I would have reacted to the tough love aspect of it and especially in the past.
 
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