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Visualization And Therapy

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@shimmerz this thread is now going in many different direction, but I suspect you don't mind. If I'm wrong, correct me.

@Hope4Now, as I said, we share a similar wound or problem or whatever it is. And people easily mistake that for the need for affection, as in a 'hug', while it isn't. And I have that same fantasy - except that mine starts with my parents simply not wanting me, which is basically the way it was. I also struggle with not being worthy, and not being wanted, and as a result I live my life right on the periphery. And my fears and life kind of reinforce one another, but that is a different story.

As far a visualization and dream themes and feeling safe are concerned:
When my T asked me to imagine a specific time when I felt safe, I couldn't find one. I told him I don't ever remember feeling safe. I'm not actually sure what safe feels like in my body or my emotions...I can often get to a safe soul-place, but it is very separate from physical and emotional feelings. So the question is, do either of you have any body or emotional memory of feeling safe/being safe that has helped you create your safe place? Or, if not, how did you manage to create one?
I relate to this - I've never felt safe with another human being. I have no memory of being safe, apart from fantasies.

I asked you about recurring dreams that were positive, but it sounds as if you don't have those. I dream of houses / architectural structures, and I don't get them often enough. I LOVE those dreams - they have more scenery than plot, nothing much every happens apart from moving around these architectural impossibilities that are the places I live in each of these dreams - and I wake up not wanting to leave them. After each one I stay in bed with my eyes closed in order to stay inside the dream and the house. Each one has a specific feeling attached to it.

I've read that a house represents the self, or one's psychic or psychological structure. There are interesting books in this regard, e.g. March Olivier's Psychology of the House, and House as a Mirror of Self: Exploring the Deeper Meaning of Home by Clare Cooper Marcus. But these still don't get to the house as a psychic structure. Although I absolutely Iyanla Vanzant. she actually wrote the most helpful guided whatever - I don't remember which book, though. Anyway, it has to do with the floors of the house representing the different 'layers' of the psyche, from the basement that is subconscious, to the third / fourth floor which is the spiritual. After reading that I felt less embarrassed about having my own 'inner house' - and I went wild. I now have not only a house, but an elaborate structure and a kingdom.

Okay, the point is that I asked you about dreams because I wondered if you couldn't make a dream or a dream snippet a starting point - for in our dreams we are right there and the feelings dreams evoke are pretty intense and very real.

But I also acknowledge what @Hashi says: this is a place I retreat to, which means that when I have to interact with the world, it means leaving my country and becoming an alien in another.

I suck at talking to myself and working with energies etc. That brings us back to 'the other parts of me' which I would rather still ignore.
 
@Pencil, yes, I agree. Someone mentioned psychic attack here so I was starting with a response to that. I thought of starting a new thread but given my last disaster with that, chose to mention it in this thread. I will get it right one of these days. Thanks for mentioning. :)

I may just be too scattered right now to post so I will stand back for a bit until I get with it.
 
@Pencil, I think what you say is really interesting. You're making me think some more things about the safe place concept. I don't know if I'm going to be any good at explaining them but I'll try. I hope it's also not off topic. @shimmerz please say if so.

This made me think of a book I read about Jungian approaches to trauma - The Inner World of Trauma/Archetypal Defences of the Personal Spirit by Donald Kalsched. Among other things, it had case histories of holocaust survivors and their ways of retreating to safety.

There was one called "The woman who lived on the moon". She had an entire life on the moon with the moon people. If I remember correctly, in her case she was unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, so in that sense it was different. Having said that, I do know of a trauma survivor whose conscious safe place is on the moon where she can sit and look at Earth and know that anyone who can harm her is far away.

For me, this illustrates several things about the safe place concept. One is that it really can have a helpful role if you can manage it. Who doesn't want a break from the fear and turmoil? And yet, there's that thing of it being a retreat. If it's a retreat like in these two cases - for the first person, a psychosis, and for the second a deliberate withdrawal - then I think it's not much more than a form of dissociation. I'm not judging that. As an expert dissociater myself, I know the value that it can have to help prevent overwhelm. At the same time, it doesn't do much to move us forward. It can even work to keep us where we are. And as we've said, the comfort it offers is limited.

I think when the safe place has an element of helping us change our consciousness beyond the time we spend in the safe place, then it's truly healing. @Pencil, I see your lovely architectural empire as having that possibility (perhaps already that actuality?) You say you suck at working with energies, but I wonder if these dreams/this image are a direct energetic connection to your psyche. Perhaps this is the way you can safely attune to your inner world without needing to do anything called "working with energies" that would be too challenging to the other parts of you? It's just a thought.

When I say helping us change our consciousness, a more general example of that would be meditation. Meditation could be seen as no more than a type of dissociation, except that something healing happens during it It doesn't just take us away for a while, it actually creates a change.

But... I know in my case I needed to do a lot of other work before I could consider using meditation to help change my consciousness. It simply wasn't a safe thing to do when I had little understanding and was still carrying so much unchecked and unprocessed trauma energy. So instead I did guided relaxation and for some time that was no more than a retreat. I valued the break but it was hard to come back to real life afterwards.

I feel that some of the problems people have with safe places is that we need other ways to protect ourselves before we can possibly be/feel safe enough to go to a safe place. It's back to front. A safe place is probably most helpful when we've done a significant amount of trauma work already.

I feel the classic safe place idea might be better called a soothing place. That might stop so much confusion, frustration or feeling of lack of ability (sometimes even shame, almost) if people struggle with it. And it would mean keeping focus on the need for a lot of powerful tools for safety and protection - rather than getting severely distressed then going off to the moon.

* steps down off soapbox *
 
K am going to stay on track here. @Hashi I feel like the 'protecting ourselves' that you speak about @Hashi is what was referred to as psychic attack (feeling unsafe in some way) which is why that is relevant here. Your backward to forward idea is a good one. I had to deal with the unsafe place first (which felt like it was inside and outside of me). I was able however, to incorporate the two at the same time. I could retreat to a safe place at will (which gave me power). You could call it a form of dissociation I suppose but to me dissociation is not in control.

As a result I started with the image that kept appearing in my mind of where I wanted to be when I didn't want to be 'here'. It was an island. It was stark because I didn't know what I needed to feel safe (just alone and in the sun) and then as things came up I would incorporate the next thing I needed to feel safe from that, (safe place to get out of the sun - I built a cave) and then to sleep (I built a teeny tiny crawl alcove that I could curl up in.

So @Pencil, I get not having felt safe at all as right from in the womb there ware continued attempts to kill me - but I am just wondering - if you can attach in any way to that picture that would keep appearing in my mind (my island and safe haven) and work from there?

Hope I am grounded enough to make sense here. I know I said I wouldn't post but I think because I have been off the board I got confused with all that I had missed.
 
@Pencil I will write more later (need to go somewhere now). I love that you have a whole kingdom!

The bizarre thing I wanted to share is that I had a dream that I remembered yesterday night. It was pretty transparent, really, but it matches totally with your comments in the house. I'm continually stunned by these sorts of synchronicities.

In my dream I was a young child being kept in a dark basement room. Somehow I managed to escape outdoors at the ground level. The "house" was beautiful--with many trees and gardens and windows. It was white. And it was HUGE--like a rambling mansion complete with outbuildings and patios, etc. the entire thing stretched beyond my view and was surrounded by a very tall white brick wall. In the dream, I was happy to have escaped the basement, but completely overwhelmed about what to do next, or where to go.
Some analyst could have fun with that!
 
@Hope4Now, consider the fact that a house in dreams apparently represents the SELF in psychology. Take it from there

I'm continually stunned by these sorts of synchronicities.
So am I![DOUBLEPOST=1398610196,1398609955][/DOUBLEPOST]@Hashi, I've not responded to your post as I want to think about something you said. I've never shared any of this with anyone so input is very valuable.
 
@Hope4Now, consider the fact that a house in dreams apparently represents the SELF in psychology. Take it from there
Ha! If that's the case, truly, then my "self" is highly protected, expansive and devastatingly complex, constructed in innumerable architectural styles, and completely inescapable. Sigh. I guess I'm learning there's no escape from one's self! Too bad it couldn't have been a nice small cottage by the sea with a sugar maple and daisies and hydrangeas growing nearby. I have always wished to be a simple soul.
 
"self" is highly protected, expansive and devastatingly complex, constructed in innumerable architectural styles, and completely inescapable.
Sounds about right ;)

But seriously, yes, and I think you need to explore that. See that house as yourself. If the basement is the subconscious, start thinking of the implications. And, is the purpose of the wall only to keep you prisoner, or to keep you safe? What is it keeping out? Does it feel safe or restrictive? What is the first thing that comes to mind if you think of all that white? Wider than your view ... wow.

Fascinating stuff!
 
Houses make me feel very unsafe. All parts. I am immobilized in them. I escape to the outdoors. I run from my house. Given that does that imply that I am running from myself?
 
20 moves in my first two years. Two birth parents who wanted me dead (long story). Due to acting out, documentation states that I could not act properly in a house so I was left out in playpens on porches even in very cold weather. I had not known about this mirroring of the 'self' and houses so this intrigues me. I guess my question was rhetorical to an extent as this is new information to process, so didn't mean to put you on the spot @Pencil. Just interested in this type of thinking.....

So when I create a safe place I cannot even imagine a house and if I do see anything it is a house with clear walls (like a castle). I must be able to get outside. Again forgive me if I am a bit disjointed as I am working through a big piece here so concentration is not so great. I am scattered a bit.

My direct question would be if while I use my visualization techniques, do I work with the clear house (which I am always outside of I can never go inside) and is the idea to perhaps tolerate walking up to the front door, then step in, - bit by bit introducing myself to the issues of being inside with the eventual idea of being able to tolerate a normal house with walls etc?

Am I skewed or off track here and if so, please say so. I won't be offended.
 
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