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Hello everyone,


First, let me say that even though I have not posted in a while, I do read posts several times a day and reply when I can.

Since I haven't posted lately, let me give you some background before discussing the current situation. My current treatment plan may seem somewhat unconventional to others, but for the most part, it has worked well for me. I have been in counseling since I was a teenager for a variety of issues related to my physical disability and other health issues, family dynamics, and more recently discovered trauma (I was diagnosed with PTSD in August).

My therapists and I have discovered that I experienced multiple traumas throughout my life; however, the one that led to a diagnosis of PTSD happened in 2012 and was due to a hospitalization. Here’s where the unconventional treatment plan comes in. I have been in counseling for 10+, with the same therapist who is a medical psychologist. (I trust her very much). When I entered college in 2007, I had a breakdown in one of the academic offices, which led me to see the psychologist on campus. I began a therapeutic relationship with her, in addition to my existing therapist. I see one of them every week and they work very well together. I should mention that they both practice CBT but are not trauma specialists. When I first began therapy, I was dealing with depression, anxiety, inability to cope, chronic pain, and family dynamics involving conflict. All of those issues still exist on top of the PTSD and tendency to self harm.

I do not wish to share details of the years leading up to therapy, or the challenges I experienced during college; however, I will say that this year, starting in August, has been especially difficult. I had several events, including the death of close friend, happen in one week. Then, in October, I experienced a very unexpected medical crisis due to my physical disability (I'm wheelchair-bound and require caregivers 24/7). After that, when I started my part-time job as a graduate assistant, I realized that I could not be a teacher due to my physical limitations, I had to make a necessary change in graduate schools as well as career goals. Needless to say, by February. I contacted one of my therapists in a crisis surrounding self harm, and I knew I was in trouble; that original“crisis” is still ongoing. I have been able to access the emotions that have been locked away for at least three years, if not more, through EMDR, which has been a godsend, just for that alone.

Now that I’ve given you the background, here is my current issue. I have been feeling the need for more support from my therapists lately, particularly since mid February. I have been seeing them more often, sometimes for double sessions or twice a week, depending on who is available. I also have a psychiatrist handling my medication, and she is the one who officially diagnosed me with PTSD. I am either not responding medication, or I have side effects that warrant discontinuation. For the above reasons, and/or other medical conditions, we’re almost out of options; correction, we are out of options. However, with mixed feelings, I will say that my psychiatrist really cares about me so as not to say, “I can’t help you anymore since there aren’t any more medications we can try”. She actually took it upon herself to call my therapist and discuss DBT before making the recommendation to me. The problem is, I have been literally emotionally paralyzed since she made the recommendation. Engaging in a new treatment, which makes sense on all logical fronts, I might add, would mean ending a relationship with one or both of my existing therapists. As you might guess, the prospect has stirred up deep-rooted attachment, abandonment, and trust issues. I recognize that these are old, and I’ve been dealing with them all of my life. My education and training in psychology has also forced me to be self-aware and recognize both transference and dependency.

Even though I am able to verbalize the major red flags in any therapeutic relationship, which some might argue may not be therapeutic anymore, I have not been able to make initial contact with a different therapist, although one who specializes in trauma and DBT has been recommended. I have expressed that my current treatment is not meeting my needs, and all three of my professional team members are making the same recommendation in response to my difficult, but necessary, realization. My question is, even though I recognize that something needs to change, thus warranting the recommendation, how do I take the first step and make the initial contact? I’m not committing to anything by doing so, and where I go in treatment is ultimately my decision, but I am still literally emotionally paralyzed; overwhelmed with constant anxiety and fear.

From reading other posts and comments from active members, I realize that some may think my situation is unconventional, and that my therapists have done wrong in the past to let it get to this point. However, I assure you that I am a stickler for boundaries and will do everything in my power not to cross them. I will also say that I have a tendency to place my own pressure and own boundaries on myself, so far as to choose not call my therapist when I actually need her help, even though she says it is okay. That being said, please do your best not to judge my present therapeutic relationships, because I already know there are issues in this regard; what I really need help with is overcoming my fear of making initial contact with the potential DBT/trauma therapist.

I appreciate your willingness to listen, be nonjudgmental, and provide suggestions!

~Holly
 
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Would inpatient treatment be an option at a trauma center? I don't know if that is a reasonable answer or not.

Sorry you are going thru this!
 
@Rumors unfortunately, that is not an option, primarily due to my special needs. Plus, since my triggering trauma happened there, we are trying to stay away from it at all costs. There aren't any good facilities where I live anyway, and it's hard for me to travel because of my disability. I do appreciate your suggestion though! It's nice to know someone cares without judging the nature of my treatment and/or therapeutic relationships! That in itself means a whole lot! :-)
 
Well, Holly, reading your post got a Butch Hancock song caught in my head. "My Mind's Got a Mind of Its Own." Don't take that as a complaint. I have definitely had worse things caught in my head... Much worse.

A recurring theme in my own therapy is the many gaps between what I know, what I want, what I am able to actually do, what my instinct tells me to do and what I am willing to do. I fall into those gaps with dreary regularity. Insert Butch Hancock tune here. I surely wish there was a clear way to navigate the confusion. So does Butch.

When I can spot the confusion as a "simple" fear, I "just" push my comfort zone and make myself do the do. The quotation marks amplify my wish to say there is nothing easy, simple or justy to it.

Hope you get it sorted, Holly. Your articulation gives me confidence that you will.
 
Hi Holly - reading your post it stuck out to me - and please clarify this if I'm wrong - you've mainly had CBT as therapy rather than trauma therapy? You've done EMDR, and the suggestion now is to try DBT?

Is it possible to try regular trauma therapy for a while and see if you can be stabilized with that? i.e. - not CBT or DBT or EMDR etc, but talking through some of the underlying issues?

Your post leapt out at me, because it seems to me that maybe the approaches you have been doing have maybe made things more unstable / worse?

I don't know if this is the same for you - but I have never ever managed to do anything remotely relating to CBT, DBT, or any of the classic approaches for PTSD. I am unable to tolerate mindfulness, relaxation, etc. I began to see my current T (a psychologist) because I thought I needed CBT, and I knew if I did, it needed to be with women other than whom I was seeing for my trauma - because for me, CBT / mindfulness etc leaves me feeling incredibly invalidated and more greatly affected. I have yet to work out why this is - all I know is, I have very strong physical and mental reactions to even hearing the word 'mindfulness', or reading any CBT material.

I've read - in very few resources - that sometimes CBT etc can make trauma more intensified in some people. I really do think that is the case for me. My psychiatrist told me she believes I am still too traumatized to even try any CBT etc, and that if I did, she strongly recommended I see another T for it specifically - but not to use the same T for my trauma work as I might any CBT / DBT approach.
 
I "did" DBT for about a year to get stabilized and to learn skills. I was very lucky to find a group with very skilled facilitators. I also stayed with my "non-DBT" therapist (against the wishes of the facilitators - although he did go to team meetings), which I think helped me sort out what was helpful in DBT and what was not (DBT can be a little dogmatic).

I think, done thoughtfully and compassionately, DBT can be very helpful in teaching new skills...but the groups are not meant for trauma work. I also think there may be a huge difference in the skill level of facilitators, in how flexible they are, and in what works for any individual.

I would say, give it a fair shot (maybe work through a core mindfulness module plus one other) and see how it goes. In the end, I am using the skills I learned as tools to help me navigate through the trauma work itself.
 
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If you've been feeling so much in need of support recently, I think DBT could be a very good idea because it's all about learning to support ourselves. It's also non-judgemental.

Would it help to view this as research? I wonder if you could bring a scientific approach to it and see it as fact finding at this stage, rather than decision making. You would be gathering all the relevant information you can first, before making any assessment or coming to any conclusions.
 
Hi Holly - reading your post it stuck out to me - and please clarify this if I'm wrong - you've mainly had CBT as therapy rather than trauma therapy? You've done EMDR, and the suggestion now is to try DBT?
Your post leapt out at me, because it seems to me that maybe the approaches you have been doing have maybe made things more unstable / worse?
I don't know if this is the same for you - but I have never ever managed to do anything remotely relating to CBT, DBT, or any of the classic approaches for PTSD. I am unable to tolerate mindfulness, relaxation, etc.
@NovemberStar - your summary of what I have done as far as therapeutic treatment up until this point is correct. Like you, it seems that I do not respond to conventional approaches for any of my multiple disorders, nor do I tolerate typical techniques, such as mindfulness or relaxation, which are the main components of DBT.

You are also correct in saying that what I have been doing has been making things worse; I do not feel safe expressing my feelings most of the time either. Overall, you have made a great assumption of my current situation. I'm not sure what you mean by "regular" trauma therapy, because I've never looked at this from my trauma perspective before now, but I have been in therapy treating the underlying issues for many years.

I suspect that if I switched to a trauma therapist, we would focus on stabilization before moving into the DBT and subsequent treatments anyway. The problem is, I'm having great difficulty making the initial contact; I'm literally emotionally paralyzed. The hard part is that the paralysis will never be resolved because my underlying issues are forever ongoing.

I also stayed with my "non-DBT" therapist (against the wishes of the facilitators - although he did go to team meetings), which I think helped me sort out what was helpful in DBT and what was not \ I think, done thoughtfully and compassionately, DBT can be very helpful in teaching new skills...but the groups are not meant for trauma work..

@StellaBlue - I plan on staying with one of my current therapists, who does not practice DBT, for the time being. After giving the situation more thought, if I choose to go this route, I will most likely discontinue seeing the therapist I have been the longest (I recognize that our relationship is clouded with transference and dependency). As far as the skills within the DBT approach, I would like to be able to learn them without committing to the whole model; however, the problem is, I would still need the guidance of a therapist. Thank you for your encouragement; I have confidence that I will figure out what is right for me!

@Hashi - I understand the goal of DBT; thus, learning to support myself. Achieving support from others outside of therapy, and automatically meeting the needs of my inner child, have been goals in my therapeutic treatment for a while. The above is the main reason why the recommendation of DBT logically makes sense. I don't know looking at the situation from a research perspective would help, but it's certainly worth a try!

I will say I had a really good therapy session on Wednesday, and made two major accomplishments: recognition of my old issues, and I was actually able to cry. I was also able to process more of my feelings on the way home and started formulating a plan, which I will share with my therapist during my session tomorrow.

It is one that I believe will satisfy everyone, keeping in mind that all of my professionals have my best interests at heart. There may be an unforeseen obstacle preventing me from engaging in my plan at the present time, but I will not discard these accomplishments when taking action in the future.

Thank you all for your support, advice, and encouragement; Having people who understand on some level is extremely helpful!

~Holly
 
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@HollyBeans27 - when I said 'regular trauma therapy' I meant therapy NOT focused on CBT, DBT, or anything like that - just plain old talking therapy ;)

I see a psychologist and we are doing talking therapy. There is no plan to do DBT, CBT, mindfulness or anything else. Recently I have been able to tell her I am experiencing transference feelings towards her (that belong to my mother). That is an area of therapy I have spent 20 years avoiding - I trust my T enough to begin this work with her.

Why DBT / CBT etc makes me worse is likely due to my issues of abandonment, rejection, and feeling invalidated. Especially the invalidated part - I am so ultra sensitive to anything related to emotional intimacy, so to have a T (any T) try to re-direct my fears / anxiety / issues with techniques to 'calm' them, I find it so invalidating it sets off major triggers in me.

I'm so glad I have found this T to work with me. I also have a greater psychiatrist who agree's with me in that CBT / DBT etc would be the worst thing for me right now, as I am (quote) "too traumatized" yet.

I do wonder if you could consider therapy without any plans as part of it, to do DBT /CBT etc, if that would help. It might even be, limiting it to just ONE session a week, would be less intensive and give you some space in-between sessions.
 
@HollyBeans27 I have done a whole bunch of different types of therapy and as I progress through different stages I do find I need to change my therapy up. I was, at one time going to different types of therapy 5 times a week. I needed it. Then things changed. I needed different therapy and less of it. This is always a good sign for me as I know that I am moving forward which is the name of the game. It is great that you have had such tremendous support! You are one of a lucky few!
I think @NovemberStar has a good point in this

I do wonder if you could consider therapy without any plans as part of it, to do DBT /CBT etc, if that would help.

I am not certain that limiting to 1 time a week may not be a bit drastic for you but maybe it is just time to talk about how you feel about further treatment, do some homework and maybe even have the t you are working with describe or incorporate in a small way what DBT would feel like. Just to ease you in from a trusted person so that you may continue onwards.

I must say, well done! You seem so very proactive in your healing journey and that is something to be commended.
 
EMDR, which has been a godsend,
what I really need help with is overcoming my fear of making initial contact with the potential DBT/trauma therapist.
When I was facing a forthcoming trauma I discussed it big time with T.Something that I could not avoid, but I knew would tip me over the edge. It terrified me that I knew I would lose control. I had no power to stop the event and was really struggling and worrying about it in advance.
T turned it around and we used the forthcoming event as a target for EMDR. Of course I had no memory to visualise, but I could picture the event in my imagination and that is how we processed it. It was hugely successful and made such a difference.

Seeing as you are already familiar with EMDR I just wondered if you could do something similar, and have 'contact with a new Trauma Therapist' as a target to work on with existing EMDR practitioner?
 
@NovemberStar,
I get the feeling that your prolonged period of being PTSD free wasn't really all that your painting it to be given your post here. I guess I just don't believe that you were truly "free" for so long when you have ongoing issues of abandonment, intimacy, etc. That is, you claim cure is possible, yet you struggle with such ongoing deep issues. It just doesn't fit together with someone who was perfectly fine for so long as you claim to be. Sorry for the threadjack, but when you say something that really goes against all of your "cure" and being free posts, it really makes one wonder, yanno?
 
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