Looking for thoughts on these memories please - conflicting internal views driving me crazy

Low on words but wanted to say I’m here with you as you process. I tend toward what Sideays said about conflict over all the abuse memories. I don’t think the point of working with parts is to convince them all that one of you is right but rather to huddle and validate and build on the strengths of each. Yea it’s hard, but I guess learning to allow and see the different perspectives of the parts *is* the work?
You know how something can hit at the right time and have a real impact? That's what your post did, along with @Sideways' post... I've been down the rabbit hole so many f*cking times thinking about this and scenarios like it... what was it? Was it just me? Am I the sick one for seeing it that way? Was it abuse, am I bad, why did that hurt so much? Was it real etc etc etc etc etc... and it hurts going around it so much.. I really needed someone to pull me out the whirl pool at that moment, and you got me to step back a bit in other tu see I was getting dragged back in again.. it's so painful getting dragged back in...

Thank you...

Now I need tu figure out how tu hear all sides.. and therein lays the problem..
 
Actually just acknowledging it is a breakthrough in itself. Not having that awareness of the conflict was the status quo for life up till now, so you can imagine what kind of havoc that’s been causing on your life, right!?
Yes you're right...I guess I am having more glimpses and openings where I see this.. sometimes I'm half in and half out... it's really hard work isn't it? But yeah I wasn't aware how much these processes were doing tu my life and I still have trouble accepting and seeing some things... but I'm getting there
As I’ve worked through therapy, I’ve come across a lot of conflict like this tbh - I have conflicting emotions (and beliefs) in relation to my memories, relationships, values, goals.
I relate so much!
Hell, even the music I like or whether I’m hungry. I grew up being taught that emotional responses were either A or B, not A and B and C and… but reality turns out to be not like that at all.
Yup
It’s not only possible, but common, to love and hate the same person. To be proud of by and embarrassed about the same memory. To value something we also feel ashamed about. The list is endless.
this is gold...
Realising that? meant I could acknowledge and validate both perspectives
oh
rather than trying to find some kind of absolute truth.
my
That makes space for coexistence and compromise.
f*cking god (sorry for expletives)

but this is a COMPLETELY NEW CONCEPT TO ME... i don't know why.. because it's also not... you're just saying here what T is telling me... yet somehow the penny dropped a bit more when you said what you did..

I've been searching for an absolute truth for so f*cking long. Right, wrong, true or not, good bad, abuse or play.. if i take the pressure off finding something which can never be found, but work on opening everything up, seeing it, listening to it, validating all sides, then yeah, co existence may be a thing...

But... there is a but...
With memories, it’s really important to validate the experiences and emotional responses of the part that actually experienced the event. First and foremost.
Here in lays the issue. When I've tried to do that, i have 3 very strong, threatening protector parts who have to, at all costs, protect another younger part of me... they somehow view me connecting with smaller, younger parts of myself (to hear them), as being a dangerous thing to do, and they like to let me know that by giving me almighty backlashes when I attempt to hear the smaller parts of me...I can go down for 2 weeks ... or less... or more... so, until now we've had to tip toe around them a bit and also not go too far in giving space for the younger ones to talk...

I can't just hear their view first and foremost... got a whole load of thick layers of dynamics tu get through first.

you ever had similar?
It’s influenced strongly by survival instincts, and is unlikely to come out unless the part feels genuinely safe now.
yeah atm, they really just don't.. particularly because the other parts are making life miserable for them if they do
But that’s also just a starting point. Because how that part feels about it now is very likely to be different, and continue changing, over time. Same goes for my other parts. How they felt last year about memory X will be different to how they feel next year about memory X.
Makes sense
Their opinions of what the child part should feel (or should have felt) may need to be aired, but in a way that protects the child part from their venting or anger or frustration.
This is the bit to figure out...I have no idea... they are controlling me completely
As a rule of thumb with emotions - I try not to challenge them or struggle with them.
I'll keep this in mind too
And I also don’t try and assess the reasonableness of an emotion.
good advice
Those are rational mind issues, and emotions aren’t rational, they just are. It’s far easier to simple acknowledge and make space for an emotion than it is trying to wrangle it into ‘one right and valid’ truth that all parts must accept.
Ooof another goodie 🙃

Thanks for your invaluable insights
 
if i take the pressure off finding something which can never be found, but work on opening everything up, seeing it, listening to it, validating all sides, then yeah, co existence may be a thing...
There’s a reason humans look for absolute truths. It feels safer. It makes the world a whole lot easier to navigate and function in. Absolute truths are quicker and easier. Our brains naturally seek them out so that we can function.

But, you don’t have to look very far to see humans who get themselves into a big pickle by only allowing for absolute truths. Extremely religious folks. Anti-vaxxers etc.

The trick is to recognise when an absolute truth is causing you dysfunction, so you can hold onto it more loosely and examine the truths that are coexisting around it. Let your grip ease a bit, reduce the struggle…insight, mindfulness, therapy - lots of things help with that.

For example: I was really terrified when… and I felt completely loved in that moment. Or,
I was really terrified when…and it seemed normal and loving.

Having DID makes it trickier, in that conflicting truths are inherent, and relate to everything that is central to who we are as an individual. But, once internal communication becomes more natural, and there’s more trust, it gets easier.
they somehow view me connecting with smaller, younger parts of myself (to hear them), as being a dangerous thing to do
Every now and again, there’s times when it’s helpful to me to remind myself that all these different parts are still me. For example, have you just stated:
“I somehow view me connecting with myself (to hear me) as being a dangerous thing to do”? If so, that’s potentially exactly where the problem (and solution) is. If you establish safety, the challenge of conflicting truths diminishes - all your parts may feel safer to honour their own truth, and respect the differences of the others.

You have options. For example, you could take a bit of time to work more on those internal relationships, and building trust in the system. Or you could find other ways to have the conversation that feel safer to the parts involved.

Fwiw? Building safety in my system is still a work in progress. But once I had enough internal safety, enough internal communication and cooperation, resolving the trauma became a lot less urgent, and I became way more functional (and happier) as a human being.
you ever had similar?
Oh yeah, big time! The stories I could tell!!

My protector parts, I mean, they’re pretty brutal, yeah? My core self went to war with one of my protector parts when I first got co-consciousness - we could not coexist. I lost a T I’d been working with for 5+ years when that conflict spilled into the therapy office. I’ve been hospitalised because of things my protector parts have done over internal disagreements, often related to how my young parts remember or communicate about my trauma. Literally blood has been spilled. Not pretty.

As scary and apparently ruthless as they may be, our protector parts are just doing their best to keep us safe with the skills they have. But if you are capable of learning and growth (which you are), then so are those parts of you.

And they can, ultimately, play a very important role in helping keep your younger parts safe as you go through your recovery. Our littles can’t just come out, take control, and run the show. They are waaaay to young. For a start, they tend not to know when to stop or how to implement self care. While they may need help to communicate, we are the adults now, and need to keep them safe. Healthy Parent mode (for those that did Schema Therapy!!).
 
Games, fun, excitement are things that everyone who is doing the game experiences.
So this was not a game or fun or exciting.

It was a parent inflicting some thing on his children that was odd, bizarre and clearly for his satisfaction only. Your and your brothers discomfort (only using that word for gentleness but please replace if it doesn't work) did not matter to him at all. He was ruling that interaction.

Was it sexual? It sounds it. And this is where things get confusing too because , I think there is a category of sexualised behaviour that isn't contact CSA but is weird and odd and horrible. And this sounds like that?

I can understand the backlash. Because he would have gaslighted you into the situation . He would be saying this is fun, when it wasn't. So he built that internal conflict you have now.

But it wasn't ok. It was bad. It was odd. It was dismissing you and your feelings and your needs. And it was placing his needs and whatever the heck he got out of that above your wellbeing.
Movingforward 10 nailed it precisely!! The behavior is not what a father who loves his children does. He clearly has some kind of problem. I agree that you likely minimize it because he did and kids in general want to be loved by their parents so even when the parents do things towards the kid that isn't right they can reason it away saying it wasn't that bad. I'm so sorry you had to experience that. I think its bizarre as well - quite odd and troublesome - your father needs to get some psychological help. It may seem normal to you since you grew up with it but rest assured it is not. Take care!
 
Thank you so much for your reply @Sideways ... i think i must have switched since you wrote it because I've only just become aware of myptsd again... I've been really quite ill actually but I'm coming out the other side this week so will get back about what you wrote because it's helpful... hope you're good...
There’s a reason humans look for absolute truths. It feels safer. It makes the world a whole lot easier to navigate and function in. Absolute truths are quicker and easier. Our brains naturally seek them out so that we can function.

But, you don’t have to look very far to see humans who get themselves into a big pickle by only allowing for absolute truths. Extremely religious folks. Anti-vaxxers etc.

The trick is to recognise when an absolute truth is causing you dysfunction, so you can hold onto it more loosely and examine the truths that are coexisting around it. Let your grip ease a bit, reduce the struggle…insight, mindfulness, therapy - lots of things help with that.

For example: I was really terrified when… and I felt completely loved in that moment. Or,
I was really terrified when…and it seemed normal and loving.

Having DID makes it trickier, in that conflicting truths are inherent, and relate to everything that is central to who we are as an individual. But, once internal communication becomes more natural, and there’s more trust, it gets easier.

Every now and again, there’s times when it’s helpful to me to remind myself that all these different parts are still me. For example, have you just stated:
“I somehow view me connecting with myself (to hear me) as being a dangerous thing to do”? If so, that’s potentially exactly where the problem (and solution) is. If you establish safety, the challenge of conflicting truths diminishes - all your parts may feel safer to honour their own truth, and respect the differences of the others.

You have options. For example, you could take a bit of time to work more on those internal relationships, and building trust in the system. Or you could find other ways to have the conversation that feel safer to the parts involved.

Fwiw? Building safety in my system is still a work in progress. But once I had enough internal safety, enough internal communication and cooperation, resolving the trauma became a lot less urgent, and I became way more functional (and happier) as a human being.

Oh yeah, big time! The stories I could tell!!

My protector parts, I mean, they’re pretty brutal, yeah? My core self went to war with one of my protector parts when I first got co-consciousness - we could not coexist. I lost a T I’d been working with for 5+ years when that conflict spilled into the therapy office. I’ve been hospitalised because of things my protector parts have done over internal disagreements, often related to how my young parts remember or communicate about my trauma. Literally blood has been spilled. Not pretty.

As scary and apparently ruthless as they may be, our protector parts are just doing their best to keep us safe with the skills they have. But if you are capable of learning and growth (which you are), then so are those parts of you.

And they can, ultimately, play a very important role in helping keep your younger parts safe as you go through your recovery. Our littles can’t just come out, take control, and run the show. They are waaaay to young. For a start, they tend not to know when to stop or how to implement self care. While they may need help to communicate, we are the adults now, and need to keep them safe. Healthy Parent mode (for those that did Schema Therapy!!).
 
Movingforward 10 nailed it precisely!! The behavior is not what a father who loves his children does. He clearly has some kind of problem. I agree that you likely minimize it because he did and kids in general want to be loved by their parents so even when the parents do things towards the kid that isn't right they can reason it away saying it wasn't that bad. I'm so sorry you had to experience that. I think its bizarre as well - quite odd and troublesome - your father needs to get some psychological help. It may seem normal to you since you grew up with it but rest assured it is not. Take care!
Thank you for your thoughts @Lily44 i appreciate it 🙏
 

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