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So,why Would Therapists Recommend Brene Brown For Trauma Sufferers?

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I feel like Brown puts a lot of culture and personal beliefs in her work, and I just, largely, can't relate. Basically, I feel that she tries to relate to lots of women, in particular, by subscribing to various notions that are assumed to be common. But, for me, I just wind-up being excluded or only partially "represented." Again, not sayin she's not smart or passionate or good or anything like that. She just doesn't work for me.

Maybe that's why I have an easier time of it? I don't have the same alienation as I'm heterosexual...well, mostly. :D

I'm starting to understand a bit more why people are feeling excluded by her talks.
 
I wasn't associating/connecting my lack of being vulnerable with feeling shame. My T was mainly trying to help me see that through Brown's TED Talks,



My problem is my mind is in a state of hyper vigilance. I don't have a shame problem. I refused to be "their toxic brand of shameless. Hence, I responded by being a shameless little girl who refused their sexual abuse. In their world my fight...ok...war...to save my virginity translated to them as I was a lesbian. I have too many traumatic memories trying to find the words to speak at once. Hence,rendering me speechless. LOL BB can keep her shame while I continue to maintain who I am. Thankyouverymuch. :)

I identify with minorities. I am a minority. I can't help what family I was born into anymore than people can determine their race,culture and sexuality or physical features. Minorities are forced to endure unnecessary oppression from a society unwilling to acknowledge and or understand the differences. People fear what they don't understand.

Someday the world will learn to live as one. Open their eyes to the toxic dysfunction surrounding us all.
 
I had shame. Quite a lot of it. Not just from my bio family but from my decisions, choices, and situations as an adult. I had to have a way to deal with it.

I have to say if I thought that the world living as one was to embrace the toxic dysfunction of us/it all... I'd probably blow my head off. I needed a way to live that dealt with shame real or imagined.
 
I had shame. Quite a lot of it. Not just from my bio family but from my decisions, choices, and situations as an adult. I had to have a way to deal with it.

Even if there is no serious family abuse, very few escape without receiving some form of shaming in society on a daily or weekly basis for all kinds of things. Shame in the dysfunctional family unit is not the only shame that can be heaped on someone. I never would have thought to apply brene's principles to toxic shame or shame from abuse...and I never had a therapist recommend her to me for that purpose, so it was news to me that some therapists do.
 
That is just it. If you have enough shame heaped on you,you understand the difference. You can flip a switch and tune it out. Me and my childhood best friend did it all the time we had many laughs! As a rule I always went to her house. My family is nuts it deeply embarrassed me. As time passed if we got bored we would go to my house and watch the crazies! We couldn't be in the same room as my mother. We had germs. My sister had her nose in the air. We were beneath her. She flicked her hair at us. It was hilarious! My brother lurked around every corner trying to scare us. My mother would tell my friend she was bad too. Hell...all you can do is laugh. My mother sat us down make us fold laundry or whatever chore she wanted done while she wagged her finger in the air telling us how bad we are. We were too busy laughing to care what she was saying. If we tried to leave she broke out in the windmill. All you had to do is take a step back and watch her go! Sometimes you could wave a hand in front of her face while she was ranting and she didn't notice! Her ridiculous sermons and index finger are infamous! LOL

Shame...nah

Humor? Yes! :)
 
I don't think there's anything wrong or shallow about what she presents, but I do think it's questionable why therapists would suggest vulnerability as a strategy for people living with ptsd.

Brene Brown teaches that our most treasured experience in life is connecting with other people. Consider how wonderful it feels to have your thoughts and feelings validated by another human being who understands you and values your needs or believes in what you've expressed. It's an amazing feeling! We all crave it. Many of us were denied that connection when we suffered our traumas. Sometimes we were invalidated and lied about in ways that turned a whole social group or network away from us. That's why when I read Dr. Brown's work and watched her Ted Talk, I felt relief! Let me explain.

Brene Brown says shame is a fear that we have. It's not a truth. It is a fear. A fear that if someone knew something about us, then they wouldn't want to connect with us. So, shame has nothing to do with who we are, what we like, what we say or what we do... it is not a tangible, valid, real feeling... it is a fear of something that might happen in the future. It's not about what happened in the past. Not at all! We remember stuff that makes us think that others won't want to connect with us, maybe for real and valid reasons, and then we feel the FEAR that they won't connect with us... and our cheeks burn, our eyes cast down, and our anxiety shoots through the roof. I feel like crawling in a hole and dying. I bury my head under the covers. I lie in bed in the morning terrified to face the day. And, it all hinges on "What if... " thinking. It all hinges on Thinking for Others.

When you find yourself thinking "what if...?" then, your mind is given permission to imagine anything that you've experienced before, that you've seen others experience, that you've been threatened with, or that you create for yourself. It isn't real. What if thinking is irrelevant. It's unhelpful. It hurts. Even if you're thinking, what if I win the lottery... because instead of daydreaming about something wonderful you could create in your life, you are daydreaming about something that is completely out of your control. Instead of thinking "What if..." think "What can I do..." "How can I create something wonderful today?" and start making plans. Just daydream some plans. You don't have to act on anything. Just start setting your imagination free to imagine stuff that you can actually do, right now, that will make your day go better. Anything that might help you sleep better tonight.

When you think for other people, you are creating out of your own set of fears a scenario that isn't real. It may be realistic, and you may be able to influence others to play the role you've set for them; but you are creating that situation yourself. It's best not to allow you mind free range to imagine scenario after scenario of what people probably think of you. In fact, I have heard it said that "It is none of your business what people think of you." And, that's true to a T. When you think of it, there is nothing that someone can think of you that can be more true and accurate than what you think of yourself and so, what does it matter what they think? They can't be right about you if they think differently than you. If you think something negative about yourself, then you would be much better off imagining how you can change yourself so that you like yourself better, or respect yourself more. When you worry what others think of you, it just overwhelms you into a very dark place... but, if you would apply the energy it takes to worry about what others think of you toward planning ways that you would respect yourself more... then, you might actually create something wonderful for yourself today.

So, IMHO, "what if thinking" and "Thinking for others" are two major factors in feeling shame. You cannot feel ashamed if you aren't doing those two things. You would still feel guilt, but that is a different thing all together. Guilt can be managed. Guilt is something we feel for something we did or said in the past, and we recognize that we were wrong. We usually understand why we were wrong and we learn from the experience. We would never make that choice again. We can look back at guilt with a hint of embarrassment, but we can dismiss it knowing that we learned... we can even feel proud that we learned from the mistake. Guilt is a much different experience.

Shame we can feel for something an attacker did to us. For instance, upon reading Dr. Brown's work, I was struck by the way her definition of shame could so easily apply to my irrational shame for being a victim. There is a social stigma applied to rape victims. A social stigma is like a collective belief that someone with a certain issue is best avoided, or only included as long as they don't talk about it. So, if shame is the fear that people wouldn't want to connect with me if they find out something about me... then, understanding the stigma of being a rape victim legitimizes my fear... making it real. Suddenly, my feeling of shame is no longer in my control. I feel the shame because other people are uncomfortable with what happened TO ME. That's f*cked up. Right?

So, I take back my power over feeling ashamed, and I decide that anyone who is so uncomfortable with ME and MY victimization, isn't worth my time. This is also covered in Brene Brown's work. She says "You have to earn the right to hear my shame story." I don't have to go around making people uncomfortable with my victimization just to show them that I won't be made to feel ashamed by it, but I will absolutely recognize when someone COULD hear my shame story and not be uncomfortable. That's the person I will gravitate toward. Most people don't fit in that category, but that's THEIR shame. They may not be aware of it... but I am. I see their shame, and I leave it with them. Why should I be ashamed of being victimized? I didn't choose it! Why should I feel afraid that someone won't like me because I was victimized? I wouldn't like THEM if they felt that way. So, they should be ashamed... and I just let them be that way. I know that most people won't be friend-worthy. I can have acquaintances whom I wouldn't share my personal experiences with. I can still do stuff with them.

This is why what Brene Brown teaches is so important to me, as a trauma survivor.
 
So, I take back my power over feeling ashamed, and I decide that anyone who is so uncomfortable with ME and MY victimization, isn't worth my time. This is also covered in Brene Brown's work. She says "You have to earn the right to hear my shame story." I don't have to go around making people uncomfortable with my victimization just to show them that I won't be made to feel ashamed by it, but I will absolutely recognize when someone COULD hear my shame story and not be uncomfortable. That's the person I will gravitate toward. Most people don't fit in that category, but that's THEIR shame. They may not be aware of it... but I am. I see their shame, and I leave it with them. Why should I be ashamed of being victimized? I didn't choose it! Why should I feel afraid that someone won't like me because I was victimized? I wouldn't like THEM if they felt that way. So, they should be ashamed... and I just let them be that way. I know that most people won't be friend-worthy. I can have acquaintances whom I wouldn't share my personal experiences with. I can still do stuff with them.

Absolutely! Thank you for sharing Muzikluvr.
 
Shame...nah
Humor? Yes!
Being beaten in public and bleating does not contain much to turn into humour. Or going to school with welts and bruises. Or being teased about the mattress outside that signals you wet the bed again. And so on and so forth. I learned to joke about standing in front of the orphanage with the kids hanging over the fence and trying to draw me into conversation, or mocking me, but my own 'funny stories' still make me uncomfortable.

I know you have your own stories, and I'm not minimizing those, but humour goes only that far and no further.
 
Brene Brown teaches that our most treasured experience in life is connecting with other people.

And for most this is true. I think there are people who would disagree and have no interest in connecting with other people, and they might find her work not suitable for them, which is fine. I do have to wonder if this is due to their trauma specifically though? Many people choose to cut themselves off from people after trauma, depression and we all know how much ptsd can cause us to push others away.

Brene Brown says shame is a fear that we have. It's not a truth. It is a fear. A fear that if someone knew something about us, then they wouldn't want to connect with us. So, shame has nothing to do with who we are, what we like, what we say or what we do... it is not a tangible, valid, real feeling... it is a fear of something that might happen in the future.

Yes, I agree with this totally. Whilst shame and fear are totally different emotions, shame that people carry does feel like it's a fear of being discovered for the 'bad, awful person we really are' or have been convinced that we are through no fault of our own.

Instead of thinking "What if..." think "What can I do..." "How can I create something wonderful today?" and start making plans. Just daydream some plans. You don't have to act on anything. Just start setting your imagination free to imagine stuff that you can actually do, right now, that will make your day go better. Anything that might help you sleep better tonight.

Yes, it's a much more productive and positive mindset to think this way, for sure. :)

It's best not to allow you mind free range to imagine scenario after scenario of what people probably think of you. In fact, I have heard it said that "It is none of your business what people think of you." And, that's true to a T.

Yes, totally. I had to remind myself of this yesterday. I think we can easily fall back into co-dependent thinking that is unrealistic this way if not careful. It's always good to remind ourselves of the truth and give a reality check.

When you worry what others think of you, it just overwhelms you into a very dark place... but, if you would apply the energy it takes to worry about what others think of you toward planning ways that you would respect yourself more... then, you might actually create something wonderful for yourself today.

This is great. Thanks :)

There is a social stigma applied to rape victims. A social stigma is like a collective belief that someone with a certain issue is best avoided, or only included as long as they don't talk about it. I feel the shame because other people are uncomfortable with what happened TO ME. That's f*cked up. Right?

Absolutely it is! Social stigma prevents connection and heightens isolation and feelings of alienation, and after surviving something as horrible as rape, the person needs people who will give her (or him) love, support and validation that it wasn't their fault...not being treated like they are a pariah and now officially someone no man will want to marry (as though that is the end of the world).

It really says a lot about how people are valued and devalued in society based on some notion that accruing damage because of a selfish rapists decision is then made into another punishment of sorts on top of what the person is already going through. They are made a social leper and expected to just deal with that.

So, I take back my power over feeling ashamed, and I decide that anyone who is so uncomfortable with ME and MY victimization, isn't worth my time. This is also covered in Brene Brown's work. She says "You have to earn the right to hear my shame story."

That's right, I remember her saying that. People show their true colours at times like these, but you cannot know that about them until you take the risk in the first place to divulge that information. It's about overcoming the fear involved in sharing or keeping things a secret for fear of judgement.

Why should I be ashamed of being victimized? I didn't choose it! Why should I feel afraid that someone won't like me because I was victimized?

I read recently a woman shared a photo of her naked self after a double mastectomy with her facebook friends, and about half of them immediately unfriended her. To me that made the lesson easy...these are the people who really care about me...the ones who stuck around and showed support and praise for her bravery in sharing that.

This is why what Brene Brown teaches is so important to me, as a trauma survivor.

Thanks for your awesome input Muzikluvr.
 
Being beaten in public and bleating does not contain much to turn into humour. Or going to school with welts and bruises. Or being teased about the mattress outside that signals you wet the bed again.

I'm assuming this is in reply to something survivor2thriver posted, so I know it wasn't directed at me, however, I wanted to say that there is absolutely nothing about any of these stories that I would consider comedy material.

I know a man on you tube who has recently outed his parents for their absolutely heinous narcissistic abuse towards him for 30 years, and whilst he has a great sense of humour about some of their behaviour, and makes it very entertaining for the people watching, he would never think of laughing at the actual abuse. Some of his stories are completely outrageous and his parents remind me of the costanzas from Seinfeld...only the demented, demonic version.

but humour goes only that far and no further.

Yes. Trying to make something not funny funny is trying a bit too hard to avoid feeling the sadness of it, it seems like anyway?
 
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