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Therapy That's Worked For Complex Ptsd

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I was wondering what kinds of therapy have worked for people with complex PTSD with a history of dissociation. I've tried psychotherapy which hasn't helped, was reading through a thread and most people said trauma therapy and exposure therapy.

Have been doing intense therapy with my pdoc but always dissacoiate. I found in patient exposure therapy worked the best (I finally had results after 3 years of trying). Was wondering what kind of therapy has helped the most with similar cases i.e. complex ptsd, high levels of dissociation and bpd.

Pdoc is meant to be the best in the state but is reluctant to go back to exposure therapy or try trauma therapy. Also takes away my confidence as he says I'm borderline untreatable and no one would work with me due to the high levels of trauma. Any reply on treatment and how its worked for you would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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PTSD with dissociation takes a long time. Most estimates I have been reading are from 4-8 years of consistent therapy. The type of therapy depends on the stage you are in. The first stage is stabilization and developing coping skills for when the trauma is examined/treated in stage 2. The more comorbid symptoms there are the longer stabilization takes.

The recommendations are for a mix of approaches depending on stage and stabilization of patient. Trauma exposure is for later or under tight controls for DID patients because it can cause such severe breakdowns. The ISSTD, The International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, has guidelines posted for treatment. I tried to post the link but it didn't work.

I've been with my therapist for years, but I never really told her that I dissociate. We tried to work through something recently and it has exasperated my symptoms so badly that I am back in Stage 1 where I am trying to manage my dissociative symptoms. Thankfully, my therapist is experienced with DID and knows when to step back.
 
Somatic therapy. Trauma is in the body, not in discussion of the event, and has to be released for relief of symptoms. Talk therapy only gave me understanding. Dissociation, hyper vigilance, etc. remained. Not so after Somatic Therapy. That has been my experience.
 
I have done a variety of 'alternative' and conventional therapy. All have done well for me but at different stages. My T helped me to understand what was happening with my body, somatic therapy allowed me to release and be aware of my body reactions (Peter Levine), EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) helped me to break the association and confusion that came with the trauma, psychotherapy helped me manage day to day events and allowed me to see my self defense mechanisms in play, Shamanism helped me to gain back my 'lost soul pieces' that came when someone breached my sense of self, Matrix Reimprimting helped me to identify with events that happened in childhood and come to a sense of resolution with them. Whew!

Exposure is just starting now, and it comes with it's own pain, but with the tools I have learned from all of the above methods, I am much more capable of managing myself. I dissociated heavily (not DID but DDNOS) and I used warheads candies to try to 'come back into my body' when I started to dissociate. This was with help by a friend - he would tell me that he saw me dissociating and feed me a candy. I can now feel myself dissociate and bring myself back.
 
Somatic therapy and working with imagery. Echoing what @franciemarnie says, a cognitive/rational approach doesn't work well for non-rational/non-cognitive issues.

I'm adding imagery because I believe trauma is also deep in the subconscious mind. Imagery is the "language" of the subconscious. Visualising and expressing images quickly got me to places that I think would have taken years of talk psychotherapy.

In my case, it was craniosacral therapy, art therapy and working with visualisations and metaphor, eg poems. (With therapists who understood and were experienced with trauma.)
 
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In my case, it was craniosacral therapy, art therapy and working with visualisations and metaphor, eg poems. (With therapists who understood and were experienced with trauma.)
Not to derail the conversation, but where did you find a "poetry" therapist? This is something that's interested me for some time.
 
@StellaBlue I saw a transpersonal therapist. Working with metaphor and symbolism is part of that.

But before that I saw a regular trauma psychotherapist and she was open to me sharing anything - I used to take in artwork, poems, whatever. She wasn't trained in creative therapy, but sharing with her and her responses were helpful. She was an integrative (multi-approach) therapist so she was flexible about what we did.
 
I've been doing some reading about the "subtle" body, which is an energetic form of ourselves. I noticed in this thread that @shimmerz, (shamanism), @franciemarnie (also shamanism, revealed in another thread), and @Hashi (craniosacral therapy) have successfully used therapies which claim to address the subtle body. Of course these are controversial. It's interesting to me that you've all had such success with them.

I feel right now like I might need something more than traditional psychotherapy/EMDR, though these have been very powerful for me in the past. I feel a need for what I would call "spiritual" healing. I was so broken apart by one particular traumatic experience. I've been thinking about one of these modalities. I happened into a "Shamanic Healing" class at my yoga center, and it was a surprisingly powerful experience for me. I definitely feel resistance though from the logical, Western-born part of me that wants its efficacy proven before I hand over any money.
 
therapies which claim to address the subtle body. Of course these are controversial

I definitely feel resistance though from the logical, Western-born part of me that wants its efficacy proven before I hand over any money.

It's fascinating to me that EMDR is such an accepted therapy when it has actually been quite controversial itself. it was being promoted and used for the treatment of complex trauma, as an evidence-based treatment, at a time when the only relevant research studies (if I remember correctly, there were two of them) indicated that EMDR wasn't suitable for complex trauma.

I also find it interesting that no-one understanding how EMDR worked wasn't an obstacle to it gaining ground, whereas another therapy might be dismissed as not having a scientific explanation.

Efficacy can't be proved. We can only have evidence, not always the purest evidence, plus that evidence changes all the time - as long as research is done to add to it. A problem with a lot of non-mainstream approaches is that they don't fit a rigid research model that was designed for a certain type of Western medicine. Or simply that the money or opportunity for research isn't there.

To me, an established tradition and an established system of teaching, qualifying and supervision is more important than Western medical research.
 
@marylouise - re " spiritual healing", I am so with you on this and that instinct. I did talk therapy for 25 years. I learned intellectually many things but that did literally nothing to change the life inside me - body, mind, soul, heart.

I have tried a lot of things I scoffed at years ago. I had "contempt prior to investigation" and it served to my detriment. I even went to a shaman to return lost parts of my soul. That was an amazing experience. I thought, what the heck do I have to lose? Some money maybe, but I might become more whole again, and I have.

Right on sister!
 
Glad you're searching and not giving up. I have all symptoms of proposed c-ptsd (not officially diagnosable)...history of self-destructive behaviors probably revolves are dissociated states and lack of self. A doctor once told my parents they should be prepared to bury me. F*ck him...that was well over a decade ago and I treat myself quite well these days (struggle with panic, over-whelm, some depersonalization primarily when triggered by physical pain).

Anyway, I can't say what is a cure-all but agree with trauma focus and some somatic focus, as well as anything that supports you in day-to-day life. I don't have bpd but relate to some of it...and if you also have trauma history, trauma approach might make sense...but with someone able to take developmental approach vs singular shock trauma, and possibly able to work with attachment/abandonment stuff.

For me it is somatic/body psychotherapy and lots of mindfulness practices, supportive groups and connections, and art.....examples: yoga classes, meditation group, my 12-step group, and working on artwork in my quiet time helps with presence and just enjoying life. It's really important, whatever therapy, to build up our resources....anything that helps us self-sooth or feel strong, good body experiences, goid connections, creating new positive memories, etc. I like somatic focus because I have very little language for working with my deeper issues. In traditional talk therapy I either barely scratched the surface, felt very anxious, or spaced out entire sessions by not talking. Even CBT for an eating disorder barely made a dent for my eating disorder symptoms because they had more to do with regulation and issues of self than simply distorted eating or body image. I could switch anorexia out for alcoholism or cutting or suicide attempts.

For me, developing a felt sense of my body with support because it's scary has been important...including gaining an ability to read my own body cues, find safe ways to stay present or shift away from panic drive, and generally support my body's attempts at re-wiring some crazy regulatory processes...seems to make the most sense to me. In somatic trauma therapy my body seems to a very childish place quite often...and it's okay. In talk therapy the therapist asked if I had ADD. She was distracted and seemingly annoyed by my movements or need to fidget. So I sat on my hands. Just not helpful. She couldn't read my body's stress cues at all, so how was I supposed to learn anything?

Now if I check out or go numb my therapist can hold my feet (with my permission), she'll ask me to describe what I feel or notice, or I can lightly touch her arm, or just cry without having to explain it (because usually I have no clue why I'm crying, but this therapy hels me appreciate my body is "reorganizing" and has its own intelligence that I don't often have words for...though we talk, too, when words or little narratives or understandings are forming). This is a long answer, but I hope a little helpful. I can empathize for the struggle and dislike that some people in the mental health field actually suggest some people can't be treated. I always found some relief and ability to make some changes when I had hope and someone who also believed in me. I think a good therapist begins by giving us that little bit of power.
 
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