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I am estranged from my family because I am the lost child of an alcoholic family. also low on the pecking order. When the older sins got beat up, then I had it five fold
I got my diploma and got the hell out of there. Mother stood silently by and let it all happen. I have no regrets, and I adore my children and gave her a life without their toxic behavior.
 
I too like the "phantom itch". I don't regret cutting myself off from more abuse and bad treatment. I regret that I don't get to have a loving, caring family. It's not really the same thing. I miss my mom something crazy. I don't miss my siblings that much (they weren't ever good to me). I miss the aunt who just about raised me. I feel terrible guilt for abandoning her with a bunch of parasites who will work her into her grave. But I can't save her. She is very codependent. She has three adult children she still fully supports (the "kids" are in their 50's) because they can't take care of themselves.

I don't want my children growing up seeing that. I don't want them to think that people like my family members are "normal". They aren't.
 
My heart goes out to you. My situation is much the same as yours. I haven't gotten far enough along to answer the question you want answered, but there are days when I wish I hadn't ever started to try to change my position in my family. Families have an unspoken structure and will let you know in no uncertain terms if you try to shake it up. Just this morning I was thinking about how my family is fine as long as I agree that I am the one with the problem, but when I try to challenge that, my family won't let me. That is, I can have all the health/mental health/coping problems I want, but if I try to relate them to how my family has treated me all my life I run into a brick wall. People don't change unless they want to, and no one in my family seems to want to. There have been big problems for years, most people don't get along with most other people, but the biggest step I've taken was a year ago, writing my mother and telling her about my memories of sexual abuse and then telling her that the way she treats me (like blatantly ignoring me when I try to talk about something that is bothering me, for instance) is so harmful that I can't be around her when I am feeling vulnerable. This started off a series of letters back and forth, her wanting to know what I meant but unable to take in my attempts at answering. When I finally tried to bring the conversation to a positive conclusion, i.e. "okay, we can't change the past, but what are you willing to do to make things better from now on" I got silence for a long time, followed by a suggestion that we should talk to a family counselor. I'm dreading the whole thing. I won't even get into what is happening with the rest of my family. The rule is "the bigger the problem, the less we talk about it." I've tried repeatedly to talk about it and gotten everything from the silent treatment to outright hostility. With my mom, bringing up what I am remembering about my dad sort of gave her an excuse to blame everything wrong with the family on him (easy, he's dead now) and take no responsibility for her own behaviour.

Being around my family makes me feel crazy. I can't wrap my mind around the split reality. Like you, everyone (or so it seems) keeps telling me to cut ties at least with my mother. But it hurts so much. Some people don't seem to care if they have a family or not, or they say you can create your own family of friends. I don't think that will ever be the same. My need for a real family is maybe stronger than most, I don't know, but there are times I feel that without it there isn't much point in living. I think part of it for me is a large chunk of my life as a teenager and young adult were spent in Mexico and among people from that culture, where family is much more emphasized. In North America independence is highly valued and it seems like there is a strong belief that it is healthier somehow to be different and separate from your family, even if that family is not abusive. That isn't a universal belief at all and I'm not sure I agree with it. I even had a counselor argue with me when I said how much I wanted a close family, trying to convince me that wasn't what I wanted at all! Anyway, there are times I think it would have been better never to tell my mom about the abuse, never to try to tell her how much her neglect harmed me, not to try to change things at all but just go along with the illusion of family and suffer in silence. But I'd gotten to a point where that was hurting me too much. Seems like it hurts no matter what I do. So I don't have the answer, and the closer Christmas comes the more depressing it gets.
 
:hug:s JMH I am sorry you are dealing with this. It is not easy by no means. I didn't talk to my sister (one of my abusers) for over two years. I don't regret it. We had a really bad relationship. It gave me time to let go of somethings and I didn't have as much stress in my life. We just started talking again here recently and it is going ok for now.
 
I completely cut all ties with my mother and most family members on her side (all but 22, huge family, so that's a small number).

I met my mother in April this year. She did, as usual, attempt to manipulate me into agreeing to her madness or whatever her intentions were. When she figured out that it didn't work on me anymore she completely flipped around the other way and told me I was evil and a terrible person. This made me say goodbye for good, and I haven't talked to her since. She hasn't made a single attempt to contact me, either.

I don't, in any way, regret cutting ties with her. A little feeling inside me is hurt and misses her, but I know it's not her I miss; I miss a mother, not a monster with a genetic connection to me. Her birthday is on Friday and I feel guilty for not making her something or contacting her, but she didn't contact me on my birthday this year.

It hurts a little, but I'm glad I did it. Everything was way too damaging.
 
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Some people don't seem to care if they have a family or not,

I've never met anyone, in America or elsewhere, who didn't care whether or not they had a family. Though I hesitate to speak for everyone on this thread, I daresay most of our parents would agree that family matters -- and yet look how they've treated us.

Sometimes you have to make sacrifices in order to survive, and for some of us that means sacrificing a connection to our families.
 
They scapegoat me to the point that it stuns my trauma

Not fun. Does it have to be all-or-nothing? It sounds like either way would be painful. Do you live close to your family? Can you move far away and visit on holidays? Works for me!!! I still have good connections with family but honestly I barely see them....being close would have engulfed me in similar conflicts I'm sure. We just needed space once I was old enough to get out and find a job in another state. Not sure if there is a way you can create more "space" whether via physical distance or other things...or if you've already tried this sort of thing.

Just read your other post. Have you talked with your therapist about how family therapy goes if your family is deep into scapegoating? That could be hard. They probably need to be "fixed" or willing to look at that, but those who scapegoat are already in a position where that willingness is much less likely. But if anyone is willing to look at their part within the family dynamics, that's great.
 
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I've never met anyone, in America or elsewhere, who didn't care whether or not they had a family.
I have, unless I am grossly misunderstanding people's signals. Some of them are related to me.

I guess what I'm getting at is a continuum of where we draw the line between continuing to be hurt by dysfunctional families and cutting ties with them and going through whatever that entails. Some people are quicker to draw that line and say "I'm better off on my own than living this way." For others it takes more before the balance tips. I'm further towards that end of the continuum. Not judging, just observing.
 
I was once told that the only way to have my parents around again is when I was healed enough so nothing they could say or do could touch me.

I thought I was ready a few years back; but boy was I wrong!!! Having my mother around felt like someone tripped me and pushed me down a hole. Then I cut her out again and was wrecked with guilt.

Slowly but surely starting to feel better again.

I think cutting them out is the best choice I've made. There are lots of us on this forum in the same boat as you going through the same "should I or shouldn't I" when it comes to abusive parents. Come and talk to us if you need more reassurance about this.

Who will protect you from them if you don't? That's what I always tell myself when I feel guilty about it...
 
I keep remembering some advice from a boss about handling a situation where an apology is in order.

He told me to never apologise for a mistake when the mistake can be corrected, instead issue a statement about how the mistake will be corrected and hopefully never be repeated. If the problem cannot be remedied and will always be a repetitive problem, then an apology is in order. And if the problem is solvable but you choose not to solve it, be a stand up guy and apologise for just not caring enough to fix it and move on.

And, expect the same from others. Beware the repetitive apology. It is either a sign that the problem is unsolvable or the person causing the problem is doing nothing to keep the problem from happening other than apologising in hopes that no one will enforce any consequences for their behaviors.

If I had applied these words of wisdom to the situation with my family, I would be 40 years further down the road away from them right now instead of still paying to talk to yet another Therapist about the mess they made of our family and the effects it has had on me right up to 4 years ago when I finally got wise and got clear of them.

I can't tell you there aren't regrets, but the logic is pretty clear and any thoughts of guilt are wiped out quickly by thoughts of reason and logic.
 
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