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Relationship Beauty & The Beast

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BusyBee

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This is my first time posting, but believe me I've read a plethora of the personal stories on here. Like many it brought an immense relief finding this forum, I want to personally thank you for sharing!

I am the friend & supporter of a great, respectable man who suffers from combat PTSD.

So here is our story:
We met randomly through mutual friends, on Facebook of all places. I know, hilarious. Anyways, he reached out to me regarding strength & conditioning gyms in his area, mistakenly thinking I lived nearby. He had just moved back to that town (where our mutual friend also resides) and was looking to make new connections. I wound up giving him some recommendations, as I travel a lot, but then told him I lived a state away. Anyway, we somehow become virtual pen pals. This was March/April 2013.

Over the course of a month or so, we began to email daily. As our messages got longer as the days passed, I found myself looking forward to reading his replies. Eventually he gave me his number. Naturally, we started with texting. Daily conversations of length. Anyways with a bit more time he asked if he could take me on a date. While I was intrigued, I declined because of the circumstances (long distance) and the fact he had gotten out of a serious relationship within the past 6 months (another reason why he had moved). It didn't help that our mutual friend, a guy friend of mine I've known since high school, told me to watch out for the rebound/player sweet talk. Words of wisdom I already was on guard for. Anyway, we continued to talk but he was insistent and eventually offered me a lovely date idea. I accepted.

Funny story, I accepted but last minute brought that mutual friend along! Because the two had been room mates before in college, he accepted the situation (sincerely) and seemed to understand (how often does a lady fly to another state for a first date? Let alone to have dinner at the guys house--I know it sounds like a bad situation. Which is why I utilized my resources). Regardless you couldn't even tell if it bothered him, he was such a gentleman and so excited to meet in person. Let alone everything he'd done to decorate (mind you me bringing the friend was thrown on him last minute) and cooked for us was beautiful. Frankly we all had a blast (ok I think my friend was a tad jealous but that's besides the point). The next day was Memorial Day. He's an OIF veteran and was infantry special ops. This was our amazing first date (it was just us this time) and I will never forget when he told me, "I haven't been this happy on this day in years. Thank you so much for spending this weekend with me." We honored his friends he lost in combat...worked out, had lunch, napped and laughed...but eventually I had to leave. He took me to the airport and kissed me, telling me he'd like to see each other again sometime.

This was the beginning of our romance. We talked daily virtually and spent several weekends together over the course of April- October...That was until he began to communicate less and I grew anxious that the ship was sinking. At a certain point I knew the situation was futile and dove head first back into my yoga practice to heal the heart break and pain. He went MIA on Veterans Day.

Somehow over the course of that month of November I randomly met an Air Force man at my yoga studio. We began to date, I won't lie I was listening to my friends' advice which was to distract my heartache with the attention of another (something I had NEVER done before, but at that point I thought what could it hurt). Long story short: I didn't hear a squeak from my summer love, and things were going wonderful with the airman. We ended up dating and living together for 6 months. Then he got cold feet before his sisters wedding and we broke up in the spring.

To my shock, after months of silence and dealing with the emotional roller coaster of my current break up, summer love somehow popped back into my life.

So, we began anew. From our reunion he came clean to me about his PTSD. I was naive then, but appreciated our open communication. I slowly started to educate myself about the beast we've come to know as PSTD.

This time though things between us were significantly different, and we really took to dating( Last year had been more casual). We alternated weekends visiting one another for the next 4-5months, took several "staycations" of varying length together, I helped him move into a new location, and helped support him through some rough job transitioning/unemployment. We moved from simply texting or email (past) to FaceTiming for hours when we couldn't get away and visit one another. I felt like we were truly getting to know each other better and from time to time he opened up to me more (I never pried, he just did) about his service. Surprisingly we even stayed in contact while I did field work abroad as part of my schooling for a month in Central America. He saw me off, and welcomed me back (I didn't even go home first-all I cared about was seeing him).

After the "welcome back" weekend together, I returned home and he went MIA again. This time for about a week. Over the course of the year he'd have his bouts where he'd push away, particularly after an incredible weekend together or trip we had taken or intense conversations. Each time we seemingly got closer mentally, spiritually and physically. For clarity we have been physical for the duration of our courtship and to my knowledge we've been monogamous. Since starting over, after last year, I have never felt he's been interested in anyone else but me (granted my doubts have theirs days, but I know it's hogwash).

When he decided to reach out after that week, he told me he was done and didn't want to do 'this' anymore (we have never had labels on our friendship/relationship). He said I deserve someone who truly wants to date me and lives closer to me... And that I need not waste anymore time on him. Focus on school. Etc. Etc. For the first time since last year, he refused to talk to me over the phone. In previous incidences of such moments, of what I will call insecurity and guilt, we usually talked it out...gave space, breathing room and may or may not revisit the situation. This time he threw up the wall and silence reigned again. About 3 weeks rolled by painstakingly, when he contacted me out of the blue. He told me he'd been offered a new job and was moving. TO MY CITY.

Anyway, as you can imagine my heart sings for this man and I was overjoyed...and confused. But he moved and we have gone out and talked regularly, though it's not to the same degree as before when we were managing our friendship long distance ...But he has a busy schedule and job now, which he didn't have before. For that I'm thankful. It also give him a sense of worth and camaraderie, so that helps. I try to keep things in stride.

So why I am writing to you all: I'm conflicted. Last weekend he picked me up from the airport, as I had left to visit family for Thanksgiving, and we had the best night (communication wise) to date! We began talking about new birth control options, how he trusts me, why he hasn't introduced me to his new coworkers or his family (they live a few states away but visit him), and basically I just laid it out there: "Why don't you just let me love you?"

His response was deflated and depressing (I mean he embodied it) as he said, "I just can't let you. It's dangerous. And I'm too f***ed up, beyond repair. That's just how it is. I keep things in my life separate because it's easier..." And he rolled down the "If you meet someone else I want you to pursue that, you deserve that and more" train. It was a relief oddly to be having this conversation in person...When I asked him, "So you wouldn't care if I left and dated around or met someone? Is that what you mean?" He deflated more and said "It depends...look, I probably would be...but that's BESIDES the point I'm making here." And then he rolled away and said "It hurts"

Since then he's been distant. Told me when we were supposed to go out two days later that he was in a 'weird mood' and needed time to himself. I acknowledged what he said, thanked him for letting me know and gave him space. This past weekend I invited him to go out last minute and was flirty (what can I say, I miss him) and he replied, "I don't know how I feel about that right now, especially after our last conversation..." I asked him to clarify what about that conversation made him feel uneasy, but if he didn't want to that was ok too...he replied "I don't want to date anyone and I don't want emotional attachment and I don't like when you try to manipulate me"

My heart sank, and I said to him I had just been expressing myself. He said "I understand. I'm not mad at you I just don't think I can give you what you want."

I feel like for every step forward we've made, it's two steps back. It's like a cha cha. And I love this man dearly. No he's not on any medication (we both are against it) and as long as I've known him there has been no therapy (his past I'm unsure about, but his distain towards it makes me believe it wasn't his cup of tea)...So here I am. Telling you our story. The past few days he's replied to little "thinking of you messages" I shoot over and seemingly is in good spirits (but honestly anyone can hide behind "Lol" and teasing comments)...

Are we on the right track? Is this possible like I believe it to be? Patience in the face of adversity. Or is it futile if he doesn't have therapy? Am I remaining in a self negating relationship and should accept that he's granting me the chance to leave him behind in the castle with his curse to pursue "what(ever) I want" (Lord knows I'm not sure I even know what that is right now, so how he would is beyond me) ... If he believes be doesn't deserve me, can I truly be there for him?

Any words of wisdom, advice, encouragement or personal testimony greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Note: I left out other symptom details for the sake of space, but he's openly told me he has PTSD and slight TBI..he has trouble sleeping, tremors, hyper awareness/vigilance when we go out etc...overall he remains calm and collected to the plain eye, but I know him enough to tell. He drinks on and off. Been sober for months and goes out with his vet friends partying like it's Y2k. He's never raised his hand or voice against me, I've never felt unsafe. He's never been unfaithful--however you want to look at that in our friendship.
 
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I appreciate you so thoroughly sharing your story. I feel jumbled in where to respond!

First my personal testimony is similar to yours in the sense I began dating my significant other long distance through mutual friends and he has since moved to my city and we live together (2 years long distance and 2 years here). It was our first Veterans Day (still long distance) when his symptoms became evident to me and he disclosed he had PTSD. He always had insomnia or nightmares and was very intense but prior to that if was blissfully unaware of any symptoms.

He truly was (and maybe is) my wildest dream come true. When things are great things are GREAT. It's truly indescribable how happy I am with that man. But as you said, that beast we know all to well is something completely different.

Over these four years symptoms come and go. May/June is a bad anniversary time as well as November. It makes it so hard because we hit these deep deep lows during those times and just as I am believing the good times are back then we approach the other bad time. It's exhausting balancing those major mood shifts and just the weekly/daily/hourly moods with PTSD.

We have had some of those similar conversations that always seem to leave me more confused. He expressed complete apathy about everything including our relationship when he is low. He also does that yea/no/that's not what I was saying when discussing dating others or pursuing other opportunity.

He is in counseling and on meds (I believe his medication is mismanaged by him and his prescribing doctor). The VA seems to just give him medicine for everything rather than actually fixing a problem. I've attempted to encourage exercise and nutrition as solutions (he will agree in phases).

I am not sure if, or how, this story may help you. You aren't alone. I think it is realistic to say with dating someone wth PTSD you never know what you are going to get. I suppose I've been holding on because I believe the man that I once loved still exists and one day he will overpower that beast.

If I could have fast forwarded to my life now I would not have made these same choices. I would have chosen to be friends only with this man. It breaks my heart even writing those words. Everyone's story is different high, everyone priorities and life goals. It's just a lot of self reflection about realistically can fit into your life.

I've found this forum and my own personal journal to be so helpful in sorting out the thoughts. I think ptsd makes my thoughts almost as unpredictable as his at this point. Maybe tomorrow he will have a good day and I would say stick with it because it's worth it.
 
Ah. I forgot to mention the drinking is a major problem on the bad days. I think sobriety and medication management combine with exercise and nutrition could go a long way.
 
@BusyBee Welcome. There is a lot of warmth and understanding here, and some pointedly honest--therefore helpful--constructive criticism. I'm also in love with a man with combat ptsd, and I'm new here, too, so I doubt I have any original insights, I'm just commenting here to add support. Your story is really familiar to me, thank you for sharing it. It keeps saddening me to think of all the vets coming back from all these wars so that more and more people start experiencing what we are. I knew almost nothing about ptsd until I found this forum. Reading everyone's experiences and insights here has been the biggest help to me so far in my struggle to understand. And make sure you read Anthony's article on here about the stress cup.

The more I read, the deeper I feel like my understanding grows of what it's like to live with ptsd. As you know, there are no simple answers. It sounds like you love your guy very much (I certainly do mine), so be ready to learn as much as you can, and always take time to nurture yourself.

No one but you can answer whether you should stay in the relationship. Make sure if you do, it's because he truly makes you happier than without him, and set healthy boundaries. I find it helpful to read and think about what others have posted in similar situations, consider it in light of what I know about my guy and me as individuals, then try to go to a quiet place to get in touch with my deepest instincts about my own situation.

Those of us in your situation say over and over that ptsd means you need to throw everything you thought you knew about relationships out the window (other than, obviously, that you deserve to be treated well and respected). Most of us "supporters" have experienced exactly the kind of multiple break ups and reunions you have. Your guy's saying "I just can't let you, it's too dangerous" is achingly familiar to me. Even a happy milestone in a relationship can produce stress that our guys may not be able to deal with.

Hugs and blessings if you accept them!
 
Welcome to the forum!
"Why don't you just let me love you?"
Trauma makes love scary. PTSD symptoms are EXHAUSTING to get through. It's not about him "letting" you love him or not. It's about the PTSD screwing up his ability to take in love from you or show you love back.

At this time, he is not even doing any of the work of treatment, and it's unwise to stay in a relationship hoping that it will change. It usually doesn't change.
"I don't want to date anyone and I don't want emotional attachment and I don't like when you try to manipulate me"
"I understand. I'm not mad at you I just don't think I can give you what you want."
He will continue to push you away, and probably much more so now that you live in the same town together. It is good that you are taking this time to think it through and figure out if this relationship is right for you or not.
The past few days he's replied to little "thinking of you messages" I shoot over and seemingly is in good spirits (but honestly anyone can hide behind "Lol" and teasing comments)...
SO MUCH can be miscommunicated on text. Be extremely careful about taking any text to mean much of anything good or bad. 80% of communication is non-verbal.

It is not a good idea to stay because of a hope of a better future. I would only considering staying if you are ok enough with how things are now, and the very real possibility that things could get worse. You can expect more shuts outs, and if you stay, it would be good to invest in a support network of your own so you can ride it through easier.
 
@BusyBee What @Justmehere wrote above is right on target. Pay careful attention. And understand that everyday communication when ptsd is involved can be really challenging: Ptsd seems to give "sufferers" a different way of processing information, where what we see as a very minor thing can with no warning to us become a threat to their safety. And safety is of major importance. Sometimes their search for safety means that we who love them are the last people they feel up to dealing with.

I've cried over and over since realizing that when someone has ptsd, love can be terrifying. Search previous posts from "sufferers" to see something of their experience with feeling love. One very eloquent "sufferer" told me that love feels like being stabbed with a 1,000 knives. Would that ever have occurred to you? It never before did to me. When I say on here that love makes me happy and excited, or that I feel deserving of feeling happy and good, "sufferers" seem to have a really hard time wrapping their heads around that. That's what I mean by a different way of seeing the world.

He may not even be able to understand when you're just flirting with him. I know that when my guy is in what yours calls a "weird" mood, he becomes very literal minded and not able to understand that I'm only teasing. He picks apart every little thing I've said. This has led to communication disasters for me. Your guy's remark about you manipulating him might have come from a place like that. Your guy can also probably detect insincerity a million miles off. Clear, direct, honest communication, using "I" statements ("I feel hurt when I hear you say things like that") works best for me.
 
All those expectations you have for *normal* relationships? Throw them out the window. Seriously, throw them out the window!

What you've written, well, lets just say I think I've read the same story at least a few dozen times. That is, what you're going through is very typical within the space of PTSD.

No therapy? Well, if he's been in therapy in the past and knows how to manage his symptoms, then that may be ok. But, many people need therapy and while I am not in therapy right now, if I got into a serious relationship I know I'd high tail my arse back there b/c relationships issues are outside my scope right now. Drinking.....eh, not so good in the scope of things for a sufferer. I know a lot of supporters come on here and say oh he drinks only a little. Well, only a little is enough to MAJORLY mess things up for us. Half a beer and I start having night terrors again. For many of us, moderation doesn't work. And if he's serious about no meds and no therapy, then I'd be even more concerned about the drinking issue, esp since he parties like its Y2K.... Partying like that for an adult....Yeah, I'd say that's a red flag.

So anyway, I'll stop there, and while I appreciate your story, I think discussing the symptoms would have been more helpful.
 
In reference to the title of my thread I used it as an allegory. It's a story most people are familiar with, seemed suiting.

Thank you for the insight everyone. I find all the information valuable. It's taken me several weeks to come around and just put this out on the table. I appreciate the time you've each taken with thoughtful testimony in your replies. @ARH10

I am familiar with the comments you've made @Larksong @Justmehere and have shared the stress cup even with my own therapist. I agree with the support groups. I have plenty of schoolwork, recreational hobbies and sports, volunteer to keep busy on these "low" days/weeks. Loving friends and family. It helps. I find myself less worried now, say than in months now passed, when times like this bubble up. And as stated by other supporters, my own moods fluctuate too. Guess that makes sense, each day is a new beginning.
 
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It sounds like you have taken great steps to have support of your own!
In reference to the title of my thread I used it as an allegory. It's a story most people are familiar with, seemed suiting.
Beauty and the Beast is a story about a woman who changes a beast into a man by loving him. PTSD is a beast, but it can't be changed by love alone, no matter how beautiful the relationship.
 
Thank you!

The allegory use is being taken too literally. I simply meant the symbolism to represent PSTD, 'the beast', as one of the many layers of my loved one. On MyCombatPTSD threads veterans refer to it in this manner too. So at times it masks him, yet I still know he's there underneath it all.
 
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