Am I Being A Prude, Or Overly Sensitive?

[Ronin]

I'm seeing the objectification angle... but I tend to believe in reclaiming far more than that. Owning of own choices, owning of own bodies. I appreciate all the voices of concern for women & anyone in the erotica industry and where the opinions are to protect them from harm, instead of judgment, though.

I'm not all that sure I should speak on anyone's choices in regard to porn and prostitution, for consent in them can be just soo tricky area. And it's veery close to home, pasts I'm happy leaving behind on all sides and people I wish I could have done more for.

 

[Ronin]

@Ed Norton, there are so many streams of feminism.
And then there's womanism.
And then there are movements that couldn't care less for a label and care for justice for people, theoretically and practically.
And people who don't 'belong' to any sort of those movements and do the kind of work in their lives and communities so much.
And people who have done that kind of work long before those movements came in place.
Thousands and one -and. Don't paint with a broad brush based on a limited sample. That a single group you've watched didn't do something.... doesn't mean it's universal for all the groups with a common cause.

 

[Ed Norton]

I do see yourur point @Kaia but what I think is really messed up is that nobody spoke up about, with the exception of a few people from the porn industry. I guess that rallying behind a rape isn't that important if the victim is a porn star.
I guess I just got angry

 

[Ronin]

No, I get it completely - and I'm glad you got angry, it's nothing to apologize for, and I'm not saying don't be angry - it is something to get passionate about. I'm just pointing out there's a chance there were others who did speak out against it, just maybe somewhere else.

 

[Lady of Longbourn]

I think the human body is normal, that sex is normal much like @FridayJones . I'm a bit confused why a photography of a willing 24 year old model is being linked to porn. Hannah Davis also used to model for American Eagle, Ralph Lauren and you guessed it...Victoria's Secret.

I understand some of the arguments about women's bodies but it's still her body and we can make our choices too (by not looking if it bothers us).

I can lots to this discussions, lots of different view points and agree with some of them but I still feel the human body is beautiful and it's her choice.

 

[Lionheart]

This subject is a little bit triggering for me, I know what it feels like to be used as an object and not treated as a human and it is disgusting to me, but at the same time i admire the beauty of the female body, I just think it should be shown in a tasteful manner. if that make me over sensitive or a prude then so be it.

 

[Ed Norton]

@Ayesha, she may be a model but to me that pose is tantamount to soft-core porn. That's what I have always considered Sports illustrated, for the most part. It's just more socially acceptable. But it makes me feel like I'm looking at porn, same feelings.

 

[Anarchy]

Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert, Dogbert, the PHB etc), had an interesting post on his blog a few months back.

A skilled artist using photoshop can accentuate and exaggerate the features that we pick up on as signalling sexual attractiveness, in a more subtle way than a cartoon artist typically uses.

Scott Adams' point was, that it is possible to create images that hit the brain circuits which deal with visual appeal, far more than any living human can...

and is it necessarily a bad thing if some individuals prefer the images (and their own hand) to an actual relationship with another individual human (the photoshopped pictures won't blunt his razors or leave a ring of the resulting body hairs stuck around the bathtub, or complain about engine parts being de-greased in the dish washer...).

On the subject of porn made during abuse - surely it is the abuse itself which is the objectionable part, rather than the porn?

 

[scout86]

A few days ago, there was a thread on here someplace, started by a young man who was wondering how to find the confidence to date a "better" class of woman. Up to now, the ones he's apparently felt worthy of were what he described as "the bottom of the barrel". It SOUNDED like his definition of that probably meant "physically unattractive". He got a fair number of lectures on how he was apparently judging female worth by a kind of bogus standard.. And, I totally agree that a person's real value comes from what they're like on the inside, not the outside.

I guess where I run in to problems with things like the swim suit edition of SI is that I think it DOES tend to give the impression that THAT is the way you're "supposed" to look. It's pretty hard for a lot of us to live up to. The pictures aren't the problem. The value system is the problem. We don't have to buy into that value system, but it's a challenge to avoid it.

 

[Ed Norton]

Too skinny :-)

 

[Anarchy]

A few days ago, there was a thread on here someplace, started by a young man who was wondering how to find the confidence to date a "better" class of woman. Up to now, the ones he's apparently felt worthy of were what he described as "the bottom of the barrel". It SOUNDED like his definition of that probably meant "physically unattractive".

Fortunately I missed that thread,

I must confess to being attracted to women who have a really big, well developed and well exercised pair of.....


frontal lobes.:)

Jokes aside, my new job takes me onto university campuses, and there is a very noticable difference in self care and energy levels between the students, and the members of their age group in the former industrial areas who have grown up in a constant atmosphere of (probably justifiable) negativity and lack of self agency.

I know that there was and probably still is a huge problem of self medicating behaviours amongst models - so the link between poor looks and poor self esteem is far from simple or straight forward, but there could well be something to it. as for unravelling which might be cause and which the effect - that is well beyond the abilities of my frontal lobes:banghead:

 

[Anarchy]

Too skinny :)

My father (who is in his 70s) gets dragged to various fashion and Jewellery events.

He made the comment that if there was an animal that was as skinny as the fashion and lingerie models on the catwalk - found on his farm, he'd get locked up for cruelty.