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Don't you ever try to pin it on 'nature' and 'wrongly learned lessons'.
This seems like a complicated area. I totally agree that perpetrators are responsible for what they do. Actually, we are ALL responsible for what we do and don't do. But I think it's true that we can learn to deal "better" with the predators of the world. We can learn to recognize them and to avoid them at least some of the time. Should we have to do that? In an ideal world, no. Even in THIS world, there's nothing saying you HAVE to, but it might be a good idea. Even that isn't a guarantee, as far as I know.

It comes down to something similar to "How do you deal with bullies?" doesn't it? Never acquiring any skills to deal with them is an option. I'm not so sure it's a good one. No one should HAVE to deal with them, but they exist, regardless. Learning techniques for recognizing them and dealing with them just seems smart, to me.

This "blame the victim/you shouldn't NEED to protect yourself" split comes up a lot. There is truth on both sides. I think it's tempting to blame the victim because it makes you feel a bit safer yourself if you can see their "mistakes". But if they ARE making mistakes, don't they need to know that? It seems a little stupid to wander through life being a victim just because you don't think perpetrators ought to exist. Of course they shouldn't exist, but they DO. You can BE a victim regardless. Some perps look for easy targets all the time. Most probably look for easy targets at least when they can get them but will take what they can get, if they want it bad enough. Some might even prefer a challenge, who knows? Being vulnerable is like anything else. There are forms that are safer than others. There are people who are more trustworthy than others. There are ways of figuring this out. IMO, a lot of the problem arises because "victims" tend not to have much self esteem. They tend not to think they have the right to have boundaries or expectations of being respected and cared about. They tend to think their feelings don't matter. If you're looking for someone to take advantage of, would you not start with a prospect who thought it was ok, if you could? So maybe by "simply" accepting that it's NOT ok, you make yourself a less desirable target?

I'm not sure what the anonymous poster was going for with their comments. Maybe just that there is some nuance to this topic?
 
I'm with you @scout86, I'm just basically not all that good with the line of reasoning that's implying 'oh, the poor perp just couldn't help themselves, some people are asking for it'. Not as much about how anyone does or should act to not be victimized, but about what it seemed like saying about the other party.
And then there's the fact some people simply can't learn, not only don't learn, but can't (thinking cognitive impairment here and the like). Implying they're at fault for their victimization, just because they were born with particular disabilities? Not okay with me. My responsibility's to make sure they're safe, not spread out the idea they should get better with something they physically can't. This isn't just about attitude.
 
@Kaia,

You throw around assumptions..... Did I ever say it was an excuse? Nope! Yet somewhere along the line you assumed (yes, assumed, and we all know what you make out of assumptions....) that explanation equates with excuse. Fatal error in your thinking. Go on with this idea that we have fully severed those biological underpinnings.

I see so many people sit here and wonder "why?" or "why me?" when they encounter repeated re-traumatization but they fail to make changes in themselves. Defense mechanisms such as this may keep you mentally safe in that you can put all "fault" on the other person.

Am I surprised that your reply got many likes? Nope. Its more comfortable for a survivor to ignore any part in what happens to them. This extreme naivety isn't good.

Realize that there IS a difference between placing blame and taking responsibility for our own safety. Think that the world will keep you safe and that you can blame everyone else for those things that go wrong with you, and well, that's just playing the victim all over again. Wise up and learn to keep yourself safe. Nobody else is going to do it for you. (Might wanna check your black and white thinking and assumption making at the door.)
 
Anon, I'm really not sure you're saying this for anything topical but for power games. And I'm really not interested in playing that with you, whoever you are.

Acknowledging there's ceilings to how far can people go is just realism. Not blaming people for how their brains are wired is just basic respect.
 
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perpetrators and my immediate thought was, "Then you kill them"
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I am sorry. I am rolling on the floor here. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
 
I see so many people sit here and wonder "why?" or "why me?" when they encounter repeated re-traumatization but they fail to make changes in themselves.
This in itself is black and white thinking. Many (MANY) of us are making SERIOUS changes to ourselves while perps go on thinking everything should be THEIR way, and would die rather than seek help, regardless of the cost to others. Now THAT is not only black and white thinking (or perhaps just black with no sign of white), but predatory thinking as well.
 
It comes down to something similar to "How do you deal with bullies?" doesn't it?
As far as I know, schools, full of adults with authority, who are to care for their small charges STILL don't know how to stop childhood bullying. Or won't. The same kids generally get bullied over and over again. Because bullies are GREAT at what they do. They hone their skills. They learn to have their actions be invisible. Because they want to take, to humiliate, to abuse, to destroy. And they grow up. No sense of fear for authority....

And in the meanwhile, look up the numbers of teenagers who are killed or who commit suicide because nobody freaking will help them in a bullying situation.

Anonymous, your argument of 'blame the victim' is backward thinking and outright dangerous.
 
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I thought for a few seconds that I recognised anon's writing style, and personality, but the date they joined the forum doesn't match.

Does the anon feature give random or spoof dates?
 
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