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Assertiveness Group Therapy

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Silence...:coldfeet::clown: Hmm, you have got to giggle with me (as just in this moment) it appears that there is not too much assertiveness...lol. :eek:

I think it is a grand idea! Please come back and teach me how it is done properly, gently and not hitting the aggressiveness mark.:hug::hug::hug: I am always a sucker for a solid positive lesson. Thanks.
 
@Recovery4Me I will provide updates on my experience. I wanna learn to how to be assertive without being passive or aggressive or passive-aggressive.

@Simply Simon I think it will be beneficial because I will get to practice with people who have different styles. I would really like to practice with aggressive people and with people who play the victim card like begging, pleading, crying, etc.
 
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@Simply Simon

I wanted to ask this please in sincerity and tagged both of you as it does relate to the thread and terminology that the two of you have used within categorizing communication dynamics. From what I have understood, although corporations in the US do toss this phase around in management as well as HR, there is not an official DSM5 diagnosis for passive - aggressive personality disorder as in the past. From what I understood by a health board and therapist of that board...that type casting or diagnosis was removed.

So my question is...would it not be cognitive distortion on the part of the 'receiver' within the communication exchange, to label the sentence received from the sender in such a context without first clarification?
 
@Recovery4Me I have had experience working with a passive-aggressive boss. If I ask for clarification or state what I want she might agree and say it is OK but later on she will do something as a payback. The passive-aggressive person will agree on something but later on find another way to get revenge. People that exhibit this behavior are difficult to deal with because you can't say to your boss "are you doing this because I told you that?". You can but most likely they will deny it. Another case is where you ask for something and they agree although they don't really want to do it and later on they don't do it or make up excuses for not doing it or simply ignore it. A lot of people, including myself, exhibit some level of passive-aggressive behavior. The problem is when the passive-aggressive behavior is predominant.

My opinion is:
  1. Some people have serious issues regarding passive-aggressive behavior and there is no point on working to improve the communication. If you come from a dysfunctional family like myself you will probably assume that you need to do better in the communication. However, it takes two to tango. Again, from my experience with my ex-boss I was putting way to much effort when it was obvious that she is not gonna change.
  2. If it is a relationship with a trusted friend or partner and we perceive something as passive-aggressive then it should be discussed.
In other words, it depends on the person you are talking to. If it is someone you are aware, based on your previous experience and observation, that the person is passive-aggressive it is not cognitive distortion because you have "empirical evidence" or gut feeling. If it is someone you don't know very well or a trusted friend or a partner then it is worth clarifying things and working on communication.

Regarding the diagnosis of passive-aggressive personality disorder, I don't think it is meaningful because most of these people suffer from some form of childhood abuse or neglect. I personally think that developmental trauma disorder is a better diagnosis.
 
Can you rephrase that? I think what you are asking is, is the recipient of passive-aggressive communication projecting that communication style rather than it being the mode of communication actually being used?

I don't think being passive-aggressive, passive, aggressive, or assertive have anything to do with personality disorders (except that certain styles might be more popular among sufferers of some personality disorders). I think that these are the spectrum of communication styles, especially modes of dealing with conflict, and that all of these are employed by everyone at one time or another, and sometimes they are all called for, but that maintaining a baseline assertive mode of communication is the gold standard for tackling conflict in the most productive, constructive way possible.

Let's say my co-worker said they would take out the trash, and then they did not.

Aggressive: "Take out the f*cking trash!"
Passive: "I'll take out the trash."
Passive-aggressive: "I guess I'll take out the trash for you again."
Assertive: "I notice that I often take out the trash. When you say you'll take out the trash without acting on it before the end of shift, I feel obligated to do it. Today you said you would take it out. Will you please do that?"

[Please note: I'm really working on assertiveness. I had to re-write the above assertive example at least ten times, and I still don't know if it's exactly right. It's my best shot, though. I fall back on passive-aggression all the time, and it is very difficult for me to erase it from my communication. In the sentence above, most of my original drafts were just reeeeally subtle versions of something passive-aggressive. It's hard work! :)]

You can see that the mode of communication that most efficiently seeks to explain and reach a resolution to the problem is the assertive one. The aggressive one certainly gets the point across, but it doesn't get to the heart of the issue (you feeling obligated to do it, therefore becoming frustrated enough to be aggressively demanding), and while it may solve the problem, it isn't a good manner in which to communicate in a genuine fashion. It's more like winning an imaginary game than solving a problem that is recurring: "Hah, NOW you're taking it out!" rather than "I'm glad we addressed this issue."

In response to the above comment, which just popped up, I disagree that it isn't worth it to put in the effort with those who are passive-aggressive and won't change in many, though definitely not all, circumstances. The thing is, tit-for-tat, I am a strong believer that if you can maintain an assertive mode of communication when faced with less productive communication styles, the person using other communication styles will eventually hang themselves with their own rope.

I do agree that it can feel futile when you are arguing with someone who has all the power in the end, and it could be harmful to your situation to do this sort of communicative dance. If the person you are in conflict with is likely to resort to physical violence or has influence over your grades, job, housing, etc., it's probably not worth pursuing as an issue, but in a situation where, say, you're in a meeting and this happens with a peer, you have a bunch of people around who witness that you are being reasonable and the other party is responding inappropriately.

The funny thing is, I notice when you rattle someone's cage by confronting them using assertive skills, they will ramp up with whatever their preferred style is. In the case of aggression and passive-aggression, the escalation of these styles into ever-wilder statements starts to make them look very silly, because assertive communication is all about self responsibility and rationale, whereas A and P/A are based on somehow bringing down the other person in some way.

Oy... I think I could seriously use this group you're going to, @UniversalBeing! I would love to have such an opportunity to dissect this with a committed group and to practice scenarios. I could really use it. :p

Edited: because I had to edit the passive-aggression out of my supposedly assertive example again! :eek:
 
Thank you @Simply Simon. You make really good points. I will rephrase my previous comment:
"I am not ready to deal with certain types of people because I lack the assertiveness skills I need."

I like your examples on passive, aggressive, passive-aggressive, and assertive communication. I have a long road to go.
What resources do you use for assertive communication?
 
@UniversalBeing & Simply Simon thank you so very much for your time and effort !

"Can you rephrase that? I think what you are asking is, is the recipient of passive-aggressive communication projecting that communication style rather than it being the mode of communication actually being used?" quoted from @Simply Simon

Relief and gratitude offered as you addressed exactly what I stuttered through my keyboard to ask. Matter of fact, I will need to review the material a few times to let it gel.

Presented to both members in recognition of assertiveness and politically correct communication:

As well is there a writing style or verbal communication reference book utilized by this assertiveness training group or any mental health endorsed communication book (such as with Nonviolent Communication) that would 'officially' be able to state this exhibits passive-aggressive humor or communication? *I am keenly interested. I can not recall my CBT course & examples including that area.*

So if you have tools down the road @UniversalBeing from this group, or have time to direct where to acquire them (if you elect to adventure) please let me know!!! I am extremely happy for your opportunity. Congrats on being innovative with your journey!


(ps...our post crossed @Simply Simon ...thank you.)
 
@Simply Simon thank you for the recommendation. I've been looking at that book but wasn't sure if it's any good. I'll get a copy.

@Recovery4Me I will definitely share resources and skills I've learned if I get into the group.
 
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