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Childhood The Cruelest Self

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People cannot fathom why I don't and wouldn't want children, and I cannot tell them the crux of this matter.

I am disbelieved when I say I don't like children. I tend to be quite good with children. I have somehow ended up working with children quite a lot in my relatively brief working life, and I seem so happy, happy doing it. I am patient, and I am tender. I ask open-ended questions. I hold my body the right way--open posture, unintimidating. I stoop to eye-level. I mirror them, repeat what they say with validation--"Yes! That cat is orange."

But I can't shake the feeling that That Girl is a fraud. And I can only wear that mask for so long.

Ever since I was a very young child myself, I despised children.

My parents always teased me growing up--"What if we decided to adopt another baby? Wouldn't you like that?" I fell into fits of tears and protests. "But," they would say, "What if it just showed up on the doorstep?" I thought such a baby had better find a different place to show up.

It started in earnest when my cousin was born. My uncle, her father, was fifty years old. Everyone thought I would be the youngest of the youngest generation in the family. I must have been four or so years old. I walked into my aunt and uncle's house, and I remember standing there, thinking, "Where is everybody?"

They were in the living room, a huge swath of my family from my father's side, all crowded around and crooning over this reddened lump of flesh, this bundle of spit and tears.

"This is your baby cousin," someone said to me. "Do you want to hold her?"

I backed up. "No!"

I was utterly disgusted by this situation. Some seed within me that had been dormant immediately took root. A baby. Disgusting, feeble, fragile, useless, talentless baby. And everyone thinks it's so great, just for existing! Imagine that. A baby has no skills, no use, no employ. It's completely worthless, yet it attracts such love and attention. Why?

This deep, deep, dark feeling of hatred grew and grew, and my poor cousin was the absolute butt of it for so long. I just hated her guts. I remember being perhaps six or seven and falling asleep to what I felt as satisfying fantasies of torturing that poor kid.

My little cousin idolized me, and that just made things worse. I simply wanted her to suffer. I saw her only-child-ness, how she was spoiled, how she was fussed over by family, and I was completely repulsed by the whole package. And then she idolizes me to boot? Everything I did, she copied, and all I wanted to do was kick her in the stomach.

It expanded from there as I got older. Any child younger than I, weaker than I, dumber, more fragile, happier, more naive--I just wanted them to suffer the worst abuses. I didn't know why I felt this way at the time, but I did know my feelings were wrong. I tried to hide my utter loathing. I knew it wasn't appropriate to feel such rage toward those who had done nothing wrong but existed as "lesser" than I, as I saw it.

When I began working with children--at the museum, as a rock climbing instructor, (13-17 years old) I found that I was really quite good at it. I would still tell anyone who asked either that I did not like or that I hated children (depending on what I thought I could get away with saying), but I didn't, really. I loved working with them in those environments. I loved being able to inspire them to learn, to do better, to work harder, to achieve more.

But the feelings remained, deep down, and they persist to this day, maybe even moreso because I no longer work with them.

Well, now all of these issues are surfacing for me. It began with my growing irritation and, frankly, downright terror over B (my ex) talking about children. It's not like he wanted to start a family in the foreseeable future, but something about the idea of having kids just began to grate on me somewhere deep in my center. We had mutually talked about kids, talked about wanting a family, but--I don't know. Maybe just getting older and thinking about the logistics of it all, how it began to seem like a reality close enough to touch, it became too much.

I have thought many times in the past that I would be unable to have children with someone, because I require too much attention. I don't have the prerequisite selflessness I think mothers are somehow imbued with, and I honestly don't want that selflessness. I want to be the center of my partner's attention, and children would distract from that. Then, of course, children are just so needy. How could I possibly fill that sort of neediness when I cannot seem to quell my own?

It's begun to hit critical mass lately, though. My best friend has a son. He turned five recently. I love this kid. I really do. And he adores me. I give him lots of attention. I play with him. In general, I just try to be a positive influence in his life, and I worry about him. I pay very close attention to his development. I'm highly invested in his happiness and success in life.

But then... there is something, someone, else, and She just hates him. Which means *I* hate him, doesn't it? I mean, She and I are really the same person. I've just... sectioned Her, allowing myself to call Her "Her" instead of "I."

Well, She is getting more and more difficult to shut up, harder and harder to contain. The longer I interact with this little boy, the harder it becomes not to notice the shit he doesn't have to deal with that I did, and that cruel, hateful part of me is simply tortured by that fact.

It's like I keep Her in a glass box inside my head, and I can feel her raging against the walls, clawing, screaming, banging to be let out. Every time I notice that he does not have to cope with the shit I had to cope with, it kills her, and she is wild with fury, with the injustice, the perceived personal slight.

Forget that he has not endured the abuse that I lived through (although seeing a child who is the age I was while I was living through abuse does not help). He simply has no idea, and will never have an idea, of what it is like to be the omega. Everyone hates a spoiled child, but this isn't what bothers me. It's not that he's spoiled. It's just that to me he is spoiled, sheerly because he does not have to know what it is to be at the very bottom of a lengthy totem pole. He is not required to be independent, to mediate family relations, to carefully judge whose side to take or when making himself scarce is the only thing to do. He does not know what it is to be the weakest, the easiest target. And he will never have to.

And that ignites this cruelty inside me.

I am so careful around him, so careful with everything I say and do, but one day, I snapped at him. It was Her. It was not me. No one blinked, really, but all I wanted to do at the time was look around at the other adults and say, "It wasn't me!"

I had spent all day with him and my friend. I hadn't eaten. I asked if my friend wanted to go out to eat that afternoon, but we had to do all this other shit for her, her son, her parents, her husband, etc. before we finally sat down at a restaurant around 8pm. It went from she and I going out to the whole damn lot of them, which took some coordination.

I really didn't mind. I was just extremely hungry, and going out is a huge treat for me these days, so I was careful not to eat anything and thus spoil my appetite. Her son, on the other hand, was in rare form that day. Really, all week he had been nothing but a bundle of complaints and demands. I wasn't the only one losing patience with him. Over the past few months, he has changed a lot--which I attribute to several factors--and he has begun to issue orders to people--"Come here and sit down right now!" It irritates me, but I remain calm, jovial, even.

Well, this child is the pickiest eater I have ever met (which has always, always been hugely irritating to me, even when I was his age, because I could never figure out why children couldn't simply shut up and be grateful), and he whined continuously as we waited for our food that he was hungry, but he refused any of the appetizers we offered him. Finally, something in me just broke.

"Would you just quit whining?" I snapped, and my voice, it was brimming with frustration and edged in, just... disgust.

Well, he shut up, and no one seemed to think anything unusual had happened (aside from the fact that I reprimanded him, which I rarely do, and never with such a tone). But this whole episode haunts me. I let Her speak, even though I am always so, so careful to keep Her wrapped up. If it happened once, I worry it could happen again, and I have lost my faith in my ability to always maintain complete control. It's not like I can't always hear Her, Her obscenely angry shouts, Her cold commentary. I feel Her repulsion of this boy all the time.

So when someone asks me about children, what can I say?

"Oh, no, I don't want kids; I see a happy child and just want to stamp out all their joy and innocence."
 
People cannot fathom why I don't and wouldn't want children, and I cannot tell them the crux of this...

people have asked me why i never come on this site anymore - thankyou for demonstrating my reasons so succinctly. We have all suffered, we have all ... god knows, experienced trauma no one should ever have to, and we are struggling in a world where for us all is dark, all is hopeless, all we are is worthless. But i am actually physically sick of this type of diatribe on here. I want to share, yes. I want to recover, yes. But i do not want the rest of ptsd.com to feel any worse than they already do. I also have no desire, and cannot stand children - but i am fortunate, in that i do want anyone, young or old, to not have their suffering recognised or overlooked, in the way mine was. I am determined to share my experiences, for them not to have the same happen to them. So thankyou for making me even more determined in my cause.
 
I subscribe to spoon theory, and I just know that being around children uses up extra spoons for me. It gets difficult because I think particularly as a woman of child-bearing age people expect me to want them. Small children I struggle with for some of the reasons outlined above. My main trauma happened when I was in my early teens and for that age of children I absolutely resonate with your disgust and rage. For me there's also some fear there. Like "how dare they be fine and loved and cared for when I was going through hell" but also under the surface "no one that age is safe, why do they keep doing things that are stupid and dangerous like they won't get hurt because they will." I think the fear of being right about no one being immune to the evil I've experienced is part of the reason I tend to distance from children.

On a purely objective level, small children in particular are just going to flip a whole bunch of my stressors. They tend to be loud, throw tantrums, yell/scream while just playing, throw things about, move unpredictably, and when they are in a mood to be out of control there's often very little that can be done until they ride it out (particularly if you are not the parent). So I find that even though there are children I like it's often more stressful to be around them than I can handle just because of behaviors that tend to happen at a young age, even for very well behaved children. It's why I don't see some of my friends as much as I would like- they're parents, so while they're amazing support I have to weigh whether being around them is worth potentially being stressed out by their child. Children are sort of unpredictable by nature. I don't do well with that. They can also be sweet and loving and all sorts of wonderful things. But they're unpredictable and that's such a big deal for me it's the primary attribute that's stored in my mind.

My peer mentor asked me if my aversion to children was about my trauma. I answered kind of, because I knew not all of it was, but that there were some things that almost had to be. It really made me go through as above and sort out what is really trauma related and triggery, what bumps up against my symptom sets and makes things harder to deal with, and what is just me (I can't remember a time I've ever wanted the white picket fence and a family nor has it ever made sense to me). That helps a little bit, because it lets me forgive myself for the parts I'm not going to be able to fix right away, while working on the things I can.
 
My T has been (what I perceive to be aggressively, though she feels differently) attacking my attachment issues, which she seems to believe to be the Real Problem in my narrative. Her main assertions seem to be these:

-I was not attended to from the very, very start of my life
-I was never given any positive reinforcement simply for being me
-I never experienced unconditional love
-I was only praised/given attention when I proved useful, filled a role set upon me, or demonstrated traits considered desirable
-I developed an attachment to my brother instead of my parents, but my attachment/personality/development issues left me vulnerable, and my brother accordingly was able to abuse me for years

All these things (and, naturally, the list goes on) make me unable to feel appropriately about the normal kid stuff you mention, @Kefira. The idea that children get into an unpredictable or wild mode, and you just have to ride it out? It is so, so difficult for me to wrap my head around.

My mother often, often notes (with quite a bit of pride, or something) that I was the most obedient child, and she always says, "When you were little, someone would tell you to sit down and be quiet, and you just would."

It's true. I cannot remember being unable to comply with such a request, no matter how many hours I was expected to sit still and silently. I don't really remember it being hard to fulfill such a directive.

Which is why this natural child stuff just completely escapes me. When this kid runs around and yells at random and makes all sorts of funny, spontaneous, loud noises... I just feel something inside me ask, "What are you trying to achieve by acting in this manner? What do you expect to earn doing this?"

But, of course, he doesn't. I frame everything by wondering how to earn favor with others, and I've framed everything that way since--well, if my T is to be believed, since forever. I was always looking for how to be more pleasing: better, smarter, more compliant, more helpful, more entertaining, more out-of-the-way... More whatever I thought was the right answer for a proverbial pat on the head.

Now, this way of framing my relationships (and I mean "relationships" as broadly as you can stretch that word, because, really, I want to please the hostess, the waiter, and That Dude Over There) is wreaking f*cking havoc on my ability to form any genuine connection with anyone past "What can I do for you?"
 
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I can really relate to everything you say here and slowly but surely thinking "there is absolutely no reason for me to have children, because of the reasons you mentioned and just - it seems such a waste of time, energy, money". I often feel like ringing my parents and screaming down the line "why did you bring me here?!??!?!" :banghead:
 
Could have been written by me. Always said I hated kids, yet they always gravitated toward me. Narrowed it down to about this: think that being around kids, must tap into some part of yourself that developed normally as a kid, had a solid foundation to draw on. Since I don't have that, it feels empty and lacking and constructed. Kids are triggers. We see them healthy and happy, and realize it's really not hard to keep kids healthy and happy. People didn't keep us healthy and happy because they didn't view us as worthy of health & happiness. That shit rocks your center.
 
...I like kids...
But they trigger me.
before I really de-repressed my anger, I had some really disturbing thoughts about kids. A sort of horror and disgust at their innocence?
I was horrified with how very breakable they are, how vulnerable. It disgusted me.
At the time I had remembered nothing.
But I had a sense that someone would inevitably come along and break them.

I still occasionally find children terrifying to care about.

I am still de-repressing memories, untangling damage, finding more fractured-off persons in my head.

I think that hating exterior children was about hating my interior alters, keeping them and their feelings away from my own stripped-down personality.
...I was devoid of most feelings and crumpled easily, so as to be available to abuse? My parents needed someone to take things out on.
 
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I tend too to be good with other peoples children but my own prayers were answered when I was pronounced barren/unexplained infertility. I did not want to pass on the cycle of dysfunction and although I recanted with my second husband... it wasn't to be. So I won't.

Not wanting children is a personal choice... one to be shared with and discussed with a partner. Nothing more. I got my reasons... so did my second husband. Occasionally we pine for a time but when doing inventory... we were simply not meant to sire children and we accept that.
 
I went with my friend's son alone on his field trip today. I think being his only guardian calmed me down a lot, somehow. I didn't have one intrusive thought the whole time about any of the children I saw (and I saw hundreds today). I think my only negative thoughts were about parents, and the only ones that related to my own childhood f*ckedupitude pertained to these kids being so under exposed to theatre (we saw a performance), recalling that my first theatre experience was seeing Les Miserables on Broadway at the same age, which led me to thinking about the oft-repeated tale of how I famously sat through the whole thing with nary a peep. Otherwise, though, all clear on the Simon front today, and no cruel self in sight. :)
 
I love and adore children and have always wanted to be around them. I trust them far more than adults!!! I have always wanted children! But am thankful I don't because I know what's out there and what could happen to them and the horrific struggles they could face. I always resented my parents for having me and don't want kids to look at me like that. I'm traumatized by myself and don't want kids to be. I worry about my pets!!!
 
For years, I was very triggered by young children - toddlers, mostly - and was completely unaware of it. It took me a very long time to realise that I was reacting to my own childhood of invasive emotional deprivation/neglect and extremely harsh and punitive reactions to my energy. I was a preternaturally controlled, silent, motionless, and compliant child. So whenever I saw toddler with their raging ID behaviour - screeching, running around, incessantly demanding attention, completely unselfconscious and, most importantly, UNAFRAID of their parents, it freaked the living crap out of me.

I think it's vitally important to acknowledge the feelings that arise. I, too, have had to control my impatience, incredulity, and resentment/envy when I see my nephews who are lovingly indulged by their parents. Of course I'd consider them unbelievably 'spoiled' and cosseted, but it's relative to my own impoverished childhood where I was ignored by my parents, openly mocked, and criticised for not meeting a standard that had never been clarified to begin with.

Once I understood the basis for my extreme antipathy for young children, I was able to see how I was being so painfully triggered. For me, the issue has been about grieving the horrendous emotional lacunae of my childhood: loss of safety; the fact that I'd never experienced unconditional acceptance; the lack of any physical affection; an absence of acknowledgement/validation/praise; and the constant criticism and outright contempt for who I was.

Of course I was going to see little kids and be enraged and full of grief at how 'lucky' they were to NOT have to endure the shite that I'd had to cope with. I'm much better with kids overall as I have a b etter understanding of their developmental needs and that necessary phase of self-absorption where young children believe they're the centre of the universe. Self-compassion for the horrible neglect I suffered because I finally acknowledged that truth, and grieving what I never received from my parents, have helped me be far more comfortable with kids.

I'm also upfront about how I feel (at least to myself!). If I don't feel like listening to howling kids, I leave. I turn down invitations to attend events with lots of kids, or else I simply leave when I've had enough. I don't volunteer to babysit, I don't pretend a fascination with baby-talk, I don't allow myself to be drawn into extended conversations about kids because it just doesn't interest me past a certain point. To the extent that you can, control your environment and know your limits.

I consider it my responsibility to set boundaries, and do what I need for myself. Acknowledge the truth of what you feel - it's pretty normal, in my opinion, to be angry at the inherent self-absorption of children when you were never indulged for simply being a CHILD. When f-ed up parents expect children to behave as adults and hold them to impossible standards, it messes you up. Be aware, get to the heart of your own childhood losses, and as much as possible, be self-compassionate for everything you were deprived of. Of course you feel like a loser for resenting these little buggers! Why wouldn't you if you were never accorded a golden period of loving acceptance and guidance as a child or allowed to make mistakes without being shamed and punished?

But that's your stuff, and the degree of triggering is typically a reflection of what you've not acknowledged about your own childhood wounds. There's a difference between lashing out at a child as a result of being triggered and communicating that their behaviour needs to change for specific reasons.
 
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