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I think it really depends how much time & energy one is willing to put into something.
As far as politics is concerned, do most people individually have a say? No. Not really. Hundreds of millions of people reduce individual voices to a wash / dull roar of popular sentiment. HOWEVER, anyone who is willing and able to devote themselves to a cause? Can both do so, and rise within the ranks until their voices do matter*. Until they are affecting policy and making a difference in one way or another. Whether that's locally, regionally, nationally, or internationally.
Far from just talking about the elected officials, although that's one avenue, it's not for everyone. There's also their staffs, lobbyists, lawyers, journalists, judiciary, high ranking military/ StateDep/ Department of _______, etc. So, whether from inside the power circles, or outside of direct access, but still influential to greater or lesser degree.
That's the beauty of a free society, IMO. The ability to choose where we want to direct our energy, and the easy movement (comparatively) within those circles.
That's not saying that the competition isn't fierce, -more in some areas than others- but there is competition. Every single area of government & associated fields, are self selecting. So if one wants to have a voice in how things are run? Whether it's the local school board or whitehouse staff, local reporter to international news syndicate, established judiciary or a watchdog group (like Human Rights Watch), LOL. Including rising within the ranks of mega corporations and other heavy presences in politics! ... Hundreds and hundreds of avenues for people to pursue, depending on their own desires & talents.
In destabilized or dictatorial governments... That's simply not the case.
* That a person has to work hard, be good at what they do, and have pretty decent luck and timing... Doesn't negate that each and every single person making decisions (from the POTUS to the local City Planning Commission) got there by choice. By deciding they wanted their voice to matter, to have a say in how things are done, and worked for it. Just wanting it isn't enough. But it's a start!
As far as politics is concerned, do most people individually have a say? No. Not really. Hundreds of millions of people reduce individual voices to a wash / dull roar of popular sentiment. HOWEVER, anyone who is willing and able to devote themselves to a cause? Can both do so, and rise within the ranks until their voices do matter*. Until they are affecting policy and making a difference in one way or another. Whether that's locally, regionally, nationally, or internationally.
Far from just talking about the elected officials, although that's one avenue, it's not for everyone. There's also their staffs, lobbyists, lawyers, journalists, judiciary, high ranking military/ StateDep/ Department of _______, etc. So, whether from inside the power circles, or outside of direct access, but still influential to greater or lesser degree.
That's the beauty of a free society, IMO. The ability to choose where we want to direct our energy, and the easy movement (comparatively) within those circles.
That's not saying that the competition isn't fierce, -more in some areas than others- but there is competition. Every single area of government & associated fields, are self selecting. So if one wants to have a voice in how things are run? Whether it's the local school board or whitehouse staff, local reporter to international news syndicate, established judiciary or a watchdog group (like Human Rights Watch), LOL. Including rising within the ranks of mega corporations and other heavy presences in politics! ... Hundreds and hundreds of avenues for people to pursue, depending on their own desires & talents.
In destabilized or dictatorial governments... That's simply not the case.
* That a person has to work hard, be good at what they do, and have pretty decent luck and timing... Doesn't negate that each and every single person making decisions (from the POTUS to the local City Planning Commission) got there by choice. By deciding they wanted their voice to matter, to have a say in how things are done, and worked for it. Just wanting it isn't enough. But it's a start!
Killashandra
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To be honest, in australia I feel that as sufferers we don't have a say unless it is trauma from a institution or religious group.
There is more emphasis on violence towards women than there is for us. Not that I begrudge making people aware of violence against women (don't get me started on Rosie Batty ) this needed to be done but with the inquest into priests fiddling around with young children, there has been ads for people to contact and make thier voices heard.
Nothing has been done for the trauma sufferers that suffer from home. We're on our own. And left to seek help ourselves. I think more education is required nationally and internationally to recognise individuals.
PTSD is now more widely recognized through military vets, this is good but once again not about individuals.
There is more emphasis on violence towards women than there is for us. Not that I begrudge making people aware of violence against women (don't get me started on Rosie Batty ) this needed to be done but with the inquest into priests fiddling around with young children, there has been ads for people to contact and make thier voices heard.
Nothing has been done for the trauma sufferers that suffer from home. We're on our own. And left to seek help ourselves. I think more education is required nationally and internationally to recognise individuals.
PTSD is now more widely recognized through military vets, this is good but once again not about individuals.
lostforgottensoul
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My dad (the vet in the house) always says, if you dont vote then you have no right to complain.
But then we have the eltectoral colleges which i just dont get, so if they can over ride the majority vote in your State, is it really a pure demoracy?
Then you have things like the black pathers at voting bootes, paid and stuffed votes, and a woman that shouldnt be allowed to run based on sending top secert shit on a normal phone, ummm hello?
Then Trump really is that high in the polls? I dont want a President that has zero political experience and mobilizies anger...just my opinion.
So yeah, I dont know but back to, if you dont vote you cant complain; but our country isnt without its curroption by any means!
I swear if Trump or Clinton...or Sanders win im moving to another country lol. And im down to slim pickings cuz my guys keep freakin dropping out!
But then we have the eltectoral colleges which i just dont get, so if they can over ride the majority vote in your State, is it really a pure demoracy?
Then you have things like the black pathers at voting bootes, paid and stuffed votes, and a woman that shouldnt be allowed to run based on sending top secert shit on a normal phone, ummm hello?
Then Trump really is that high in the polls? I dont want a President that has zero political experience and mobilizies anger...just my opinion.
So yeah, I dont know but back to, if you dont vote you cant complain; but our country isnt without its curroption by any means!
I swear if Trump or Clinton...or Sanders win im moving to another country lol. And im down to slim pickings cuz my guys keep freakin dropping out!
It sure feels like no matter which party is in charge the same sorts of results occur nationally.
I think its more possible to get a say on a local level, but as someone said above you have to be willing to put in a lot of work to achieve anything.
I also feel like politics has been turned into some kind of Hollywood production over the course of the last decade or so, with the focus being more on the personal lives and opinions of members and less on the actual changes they can make.
We've been dumbed down and distracted.
That said, we are still much luckier than those living in undemocratic countries and should be mindful of such when we complain.
I think its more possible to get a say on a local level, but as someone said above you have to be willing to put in a lot of work to achieve anything.
I also feel like politics has been turned into some kind of Hollywood production over the course of the last decade or so, with the focus being more on the personal lives and opinions of members and less on the actual changes they can make.
We've been dumbed down and distracted.
That said, we are still much luckier than those living in undemocratic countries and should be mindful of such when we complain.
lostforgottensoul
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In regards to Trump, my tv Dr hero (because he personally spoke to me and helped me) Dr Drew on HLN, he's on a democratic channel (spin off of CNN) but rather nutural and actually fair as pro-Truma was his entire audience and against Trump was just the few on the panal. He called it right.
He, just like my therapist, reads micro expressions and he read anger in someone and found out that the entire audience of like 100 felt like their anger was being mobilized as they felt shut down or shut up under Obama's 2 terms.
But i cant back someone whom mobilizes anger and im not like my dad, I dont vote Rep just because im registered Rep and I watch all 3 channels because i want a rounded view; my dad has Fox News on all day.
I agree with @mary1979 it all seems like a Hollywood show! And its sad, its THE PERSON thats in charge of running our entire country.
I just hope hope HOPE whomever gets voted in doesnt keep pushing unwanted shit (like ObamaCare) by executive order! We have checks and balances for a damn reason!
He, just like my therapist, reads micro expressions and he read anger in someone and found out that the entire audience of like 100 felt like their anger was being mobilized as they felt shut down or shut up under Obama's 2 terms.
But i cant back someone whom mobilizes anger and im not like my dad, I dont vote Rep just because im registered Rep and I watch all 3 channels because i want a rounded view; my dad has Fox News on all day.
I agree with @mary1979 it all seems like a Hollywood show! And its sad, its THE PERSON thats in charge of running our entire country.
I just hope hope HOPE whomever gets voted in doesnt keep pushing unwanted shit (like ObamaCare) by executive order! We have checks and balances for a damn reason!
EveHarrington
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Please do tell about the black panthers! I would like to know where this information is coming from given that the black panther party officially disbanded decades ago. I recently watched a documentary on them and it seems that the group is VERY misunderstood. They actually did a lot of great things for the people but many see them as the "other KKK" which couldn't be further from the truth!
EveHarrington
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ObamaCare was NOT pushed by executive order. (Are you watching too much Fox News?)
lostforgottensoul
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Im sure, not on purpose, my dad lives with me and its only on 24/7 unless i insist that my anxiety cant handle it.
The black panthers came from my dad (not a reliable resource, i know) being around the votting bootes here when Obama was first elected. I havent researched them.
Now ObamaCare I did, and that wasnt wanted by the majority and no one can say thats a success at all as my step mom is still uninsured and would have to pay over $500 with a VERY high deducable. She doesnt work. Even living with me they cant afford that so even factoring in my dad's VA pension and SS its a bust.
The remainder i admit i havent done much research on but Obama does do way too much executive order stuff. That i do know.
Anyway, politics is a huge hollywood show. Im rather middle ground and usually can carry on a political convo as im very open minded; probably should of researched before spitting out stuff. **embarrased**
lostforgottensoul
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@EveHarrington i stand corrected on ObamaCare http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/supreme-court-health-timeline/
Still a bust in my opinion as my step mom still remains uninsured after trying a million times on the site to sign up, my group insur changed due to it, went up and my PPO went away forced onto a HRA type insur which I HATE and more forced crap I HATE!
And i dont get forcing people, healthy young people thats never been sick in their life to have insure in a free country but if forcing people to be insured was the purpose, why is my step mom still uninsured?
I agree healthcare needs to be changed but this, this sucks!
I wouldnt mind paying higher taxes for Canada like health care. Thats just my opinion though.
Edited to add: if i try to watch CNN or even HLN with my dad in the room i have to listen to him yelling at the tv and then to even try MSNBC would be out of the question.
I just try to stay away from it all but personally id like to watch them all...i like a more rounded informed view myself.
Still a bust in my opinion as my step mom still remains uninsured after trying a million times on the site to sign up, my group insur changed due to it, went up and my PPO went away forced onto a HRA type insur which I HATE and more forced crap I HATE!
And i dont get forcing people, healthy young people thats never been sick in their life to have insure in a free country but if forcing people to be insured was the purpose, why is my step mom still uninsured?
I agree healthcare needs to be changed but this, this sucks!
I wouldnt mind paying higher taxes for Canada like health care. Thats just my opinion though.
Edited to add: if i try to watch CNN or even HLN with my dad in the room i have to listen to him yelling at the tv and then to even try MSNBC would be out of the question.
I just try to stay away from it all but personally id like to watch them all...i like a more rounded informed view myself.
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