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[Tinyflame]

Is love/trust from God enough?

Respectfully @EveHarrington , I think I may know what you mean but to be sure, enough for what?

Thanks. :)

 

[EveHarrington]

@Junebug

I guess I mean is it enough to be able to live a decent/happy life?

It seems like many/most derive happiness out of love/trust/relationships but what if you don't/can't?

Is love/trust with God enough to override the lack of love/trust with other humans?

This is a great struggle for me because I am thinking no? I can call on the spiritual realm to feel love/safety/trust and there is indeed a physical sense of feeling but at the same time when you lack that physical sense with other humans there is no substitute. (Pets aren't a full substitute.) I mean physical touch, connection that cannot be had without love/trust.

I don't mean to derail my original question but maybe this gives more of an idea of where I'm coming from.

 

[Tinyflame]

Thank you Eve. It is indeed a difficult question. JMHO, of course..

is it enough to be able to live a decent/happy life?

Yes, I think so. Definitely I think with less fear +/or more fulfilment.

Is love/trust with God enough to override the lack of love/trust with other humans?

I don't think so, not entirely. I think though one cannot trust the untrustworthy, or create trustworthy people. But I think we experience an understanding of love & trust of God better through love & trust of people, & vice versa too. In other words we are able to trust & love people more by trusting & loving God, but if we are able to trust & love people more we will grow in the same for God.

I mean physical touch, connection that cannot be had without love/trust.

Well, you know how it is, it's not the touch that is loving, but the degree to which we think of that touch as being a loving one.

I think it's a process. We may learn how to trust. Or have it betrayed again. We will change as well, & our actions & associations will determine what we experience. We don't know what we will become.

(That answer may not help. :( )

 

[Tinyflame]

ETA, my experience a lot of need can be fulfilled, but a sense of purpose is lacking.

 

[EveHarrington]

Thank you @Junebug

I feel so defeated. I turn to God when I need support and can feel the love/trust. I haven't had love/trust in human relationships though. I try to take baby steps and reach out but things end poorly. I've been smacked on two different fronts as of late and don't know if I can reach out again to another human so that's why I wonder if my relationship with God will be enough. I feel no human love/warmth. I feel numb/emotionally dead. Hugs are hollow and meaningless. The emptiness is killing me. If God's love can't override this, then where does that leave me?

 

[EveHarrington]

@Junebug

I don't understand the part about sense of purpose.

Thanks.

 

[Tinyflame]

I think @EveHarrington there is truth (& I don't mean this poetically at all, not one bit, rather quite literally) that the craving out is horrific, but will leave you a capacity for more love. The longing for it my help you bridge the lack of trust, but the trust needs to be earned, too.

To me, if humans lives are defined by their relationships on many fronts, lacking that here makes living 'here' very difficult, at least for me in defining a purpose to my existence proper.

 

[EveHarrington]

Thank you @Junebug

I will think a bit and reply a little later.

 

[Changing4Best]

[ Jesus Again Predicts His Death ] As Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside privately and told them what was going to happen to him. “Listen,” he said, “we’re going up to Jerusalem, where the Son of Man will be betrayed to the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. They will sentence him to die. Then they will hand him over to the Romans to be mocked, flogged with a whip, and crucified. But on the third day he will be raised from the dead.”
Mattew 20:17-19 NLT

 

[Changing4Best]

I'm glad that another was able to answer your question, @EveHarrington, because I have experienced love and trust from my mother, God rest her soul, so I was not qualified to answer. I can, however, say that I am sure glad that God loves me and I love and trust Him too. Life, for me, would not be worthwhile otherwise. I hope you don't mind my having butted into your conversation with Junebug.

 

[thrilled]

I think @EveHarrington there is truth (& I don't mean this poetically at all, not one...

I appreciate your response, Junebug, and I think it makes sense. In order to have love we have to trust. Many people will refuse God's love, even though it's there, possibly out of distrust or fear. The same reasoning applies to human relationships. If we don't trust others, then we withdraw, even if we don't consciously realize it. I also want to add that often it is hurt at the root of the distrust, at least for me and what I have seen in others. God we can always trust. He will never fail us. Humans will, so we have to realize that we can be let down eventually by anyone. If we put our trust in God first, our relationships with others will be safer.

 

[EveHarrington]

Well I'm outta luck then.

If love requires trust, it's not ever going to happen. My issues are so deep that there isn't enough trust in the entire world where I'd be able to get to a point where I could let my guard down and let someone get close to me. I would be setting myself up for retraumatization. Nobody ever deserves that much trust; not after I've had to fight like cats and dogs just to get to this point in my healing. The risk of going back into the depths of PTSD hell is never a good option; nothing on the face of this planet is worth that risk because it would kill me.