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A Question For All Who Have Abuse Induced Ptsd

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My dear lady, you are not unsuccessful. You have survived your abuse, and you have had many positive post here on the forum, and have encouraged a lot of people here.
I do not, in any manner, see you as being unsucessful.
You are a very bright, kind person and very much an important part of this community. I am happy to know you.
 
@Notsowild, "success" is a culturally-defined construct, but it is also a personal one. I.e., you say you are "unsuccessful" and, boom, you are. If you believe it, your thoughts and actions will take you down that path when telling yourself you're "successful" would have taken you down another one entirely. For realsies.

"Success" doesn't mean money or education to me, it means whether or not you can truly face yourself in the mirror.
 
I think for some of us, to have survived is not enough to feel successful, or more successful than our abusers.
I'm with @Hashi though I think there, in that I don't think I need to be more successful than my abusers. I do need to feel that I've done more than just survive though. I need to have come out the other side.

I think if this thread has done anything it's shown that different people have different definitions of success and are at different stages of being able to recognise it and feel it. For me, this thread has made it clear that it's something that needs to come from within. Someone telling me that I am successful by their measure when I don't feel it, isn't enough. I fail against the measures some people are using to gauge their own successes here. I can either take that as a 'fail', or come up with different measures for myself.

At this point in time, the negative impact of abuse on my life has far far outweighed any positives. So I find it very hard to think in terms of successes when I can see so many failures and wasted potential. I do not want to take anyones successes away or rain on your parade, but acknowledgement that that's not where we're all at would have been welcome. I've found some of the responses quite invalidating. That may just be me being oversensitive though. I do feel that those of us who are struggling to see the successes in our lives have been somewhat dismissed.

At the moment I feel I'm a long way off being able to truly face myself in the mirror.
 
To be honest, a lot of these replies anger me. Why? Because we all have PTSD, we're fighting it, and we're still here.

Like I said above, you're the one doing the labeling of yourself. And failing to see that some days just being a survivor and still living is a success. Once you start realizing that getting diagnosed is a key for you to unlock and create the rest of your life and stop kicking yourself, the days do (and will) get better.

But as kicking yourself may have been all you've ever known, it's safe and easy. Kicking yourself keeps you safe and cozy and down. Braving the face of change is another success and daring to believe you can change is more successful than almost anything.

Kicking yourself is the easy part, and keeps you unsuccessful, which is the safe option. You have the power to stop and change the story. It's not written, only plagiarized and full of someone else's thoughts, hopes, and dreams, until you dare to pick up the damn pen.
 
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I do feel that those of us who are struggling to see the successes in
our lives have been somewhat dismissed.

I am not the brightest bubble at times and I often am a candidate for missing social cues. However, if we do not dismiss each other or ourselves (as many share) having PTSD then would we not wish to share recovery stages as well as our wrestling stages? Both have value.

If to some a semantic of success or a feeling of self worth is rallied as 'dismissal' then a slippery slope can pursued by both sides. I hear and recognize your pain and those who have offered they feel 'unsuccessful'. And I hear those whom feel they have achieved. As hopefully there is a long life ahead, our healing should evolve.

I often was told I was nothing by a verbal sexual abuser. Therefore, I can sit and listen as well as respect your position that you are 'unsuccessful' or still struggling but I must not add the weight of my agreeing voice to your inner critic or valid assessment. That is not the same as dismissal...it is secret hope.

That is my form of undoing a part of my abuser, it can be considered a strength or a form of denial...but I will believe in all of us who suffer can one day find hope, healing and a measure of inner peace. Hence perhaps a measure of success if even in the fact that we are struggling. If we are struggling, then we have not given up.;)

Thank you for sharing your truths and tolerating mine.
 
To be honest, a lot of these replies anger me. Why? Because we all have PTSD, we're fighting it, and we're still here.

Like I said above, you're the one doing the labeling of yourself. And failing to see that some days just being a survivor and still living is a success. Once you start realizing that getting diagnosed is a key for you to unlock and create the rest of your life and stop kicking yourself, the days do (and will) get better.

I should probably back out of this thread because it is addressed to abuse survivors, and I'm a random attack rape/abduction survivor. I do think they are different. But I also love good passionate discourse, so here I go.

Being a survivor and still living is not a success to me, specifically because I spent too much of my trauma time literally craving death. Now, that's a very pinpoint thing about my psychology. But figuring that out did not unlock some magical door to the stairway to recovery. It's just another piece of information. Useful information.
But as kicking yourself may have been all you've ever known, it's safe and easy. Kicking yourself keeps you safe and cozy and down. Braving the face of change is another success and daring to believe you can change is more successful than almost anything.

Generalizations are non-applicable to PTSD. You are talking about a very specific and common psychology - the pull of habitual thought. But by saying that believing in change is the most successful alternative - well, I'd argue that's as foolish as telling a depressed person to cheer up.

PTSD recovery is work, pure and simple. I think the binary ideas of up/down, success/failure - these are stories we tell ourselves when we need hope, or strength. There's nothing inherently wrong with stories - people desire stories. But they aren't objective fact. Reality is that you don't need hope or strength or the title of survivor. You just need to do the work. You can and should use whatever tricks of the mind you need to keep doing the work.

My personal angle: I have enormous difficulty keying in to hope; I'm not religious, though I've tried; and I don't want to dramatize my story as they were bad and I was innocent. To me, that's a bandaid. I'm never going to triumph over adversity. I'd like to be able to manage myself when alone and with others. That's all.

Just my thoughts; I don't expect them to be everyone's. And, like I said, the thread was targeted at abuse victims. Perhaps there are specific aspects of PTSD for abused-by-known-people folks that are nearly universal, the way I think there are issues for abused-by-complete-stranger folks.
 
@bell I'm not sure if that was a response to my post, but if it was then I think you're misunderstanding where I'm at.

If I choose to label where I'm at now as unsuccessful, that's because where I'm at now sucks and is not where I want to be at. If this is success, then I don't want to be successful. I want to do better than this.

You seem to be suggesting that if I say I'm unsuccessful, that I'm choosing to stay there. That I don't want to work towards something different. For me, if I said where I'm at now was successful, I'd be doing that, because I would feel like I was settling for something a lot lot less than my potential.

It's not about keeping myself in a safe and cosy place and taking the familiar and easy option, because there is nothing safe and cosy about it. On the contrary I consider it a dangerous place to be, so again at odds with any notion of success.

I'm going to leave this thread now because I'm not responding well to it, but I just wanted to clarify that my perspective and experience on this subject is not from a lack of effort to improve.
 
Success is subjective so I will leave that one for now...
It feels strange to quote myself, but here it is. From the outset I was not comfortable with the notion of 'success'

However I feel academic achievement is a different entity. I worked damn hard at school, as it was my escape route. I was offered a place to train to be a nurse at a prestigious London hospital, before I had sat a single school exam - but of course it depended on my results. I studied real hard got what I needed and accepted the place. The problem was I was 16. I could not start until I was 18 so the hospital suggested it was sensible to remain at school and sit further exams - these - well I failed every single one because I did not need them and had no incentive. I was simply biding my time until I could move out of the family home. Whilst I was in London, not a single family member came to visit me - ever. I was there for 4 years although I did make the occasional trip home.

By the end of those 4 years I was a married woman . I married aged 21 while still a student nurse. The odds were stacked against us, but we are still together. getting married meant I never returned to the family home to live.

Later in my career I went on to get a degree, and am studying for another one now - as a hobby.

My abuser never sat a single exam. However he had run the family business & was seen as a well respected pillar of the community, fund raising for numerous charities and seen as a good example of a human being. As a consequence most people thought it was crap when the papers reported he was a paedophile - even after he was convicted people have told me 'that is not the man I knew'. No - they should have walked in my shoes for the truth.

So - academic achievement - yes I am proud of myself because I did it against the odds. I was not allowed to celebrate success as a child as my brothers struggled at school and I might have upset them. T has taught me that I have a right to feel pride. It has been hard work to get to this place.

But success because I did not become an abuser? Hell no!
( In fact that is near on suggesting that my inability to have children is a success - as it saved me the bother of abusing...)
 
I'm feeling incredibly defensive as I read this thread. Some people feel attacked because they do not feel successful. Ok. I am not successful across the board. I have specific things I feel proud of accomplishing and mostly what I'm reading is a bunch of people telling me to stop feeling proud of myself because they haven't done the same thing.

I am *not* successful across the board. I've been in and out of institutions during my whole life for attempted suicide. I have a pretty fantastic history of self-harm spanning so many different kinds of activities it is a miracle I'm alive. I have a lot of problems.

I didn't finish graduate school because I couldn't hand write fast enough. I was beaten throughout elementary school to "encourage" me to learn and as a result I just can't do it.

I have specific things that I have worked very hard for. I try to take pride in them. What I am reading here is that if I have any pride whatsoever in myself I am hurting other people.

I'm feeling pretty upset about that. Really? I'm not allowed to have positive feelings about myself if someone else doesn't have exactly the same feelings? Or at least I shouldn't talk about them. I should only talk about how I feel like a worthless whore. That's the only Important Part.
 
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