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Anyone Else Experience Abuse Within The Mental Health System? How Do You Cope?

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Ok. So - bad therapist was a bully, probably (as you said).

That doesn't mean all therapists are b...

It's not that I believe all therapists are bad. It's that by the time I saw that he was bad, I was already sucked in to where I didn't feel like I had the option to get out. I don't feel that there's really any warning signs or red flags in a therapist that I could rely on that wouldn't force me to already go potentially past the point of no return. I mean, if a therapist is bad, the point of no return could be after one or two visits (it came on very quickly the first time).
 
I mean, if a therapist is bad, the point of no return could be after one or two visits (it came on very quickly the first time).
You're still not taking into account that you've had that experience, now. You may be better at sussing things out than you think. You also can ask some point-blank questions, and use your instinct. I also think going for a different gender and different age demographic (in the therapist) may help.
And example of this might be separating from a social group that was friends with my abuser - this was painted as me just closing myself off from people and refusing help from people who wanted to support me, rather than a rational decision to distance myself from a genuine abusive relationship.
So the therapist threatened to hospitalize you if you didn't continue to be in a certain social group? Am I understanding that correctly?

Was this a school therapist? Just curious.

Can you make a list of things that are different, now - in terms of you and looking for a therapist?
 
I guess at this point...I'd only be comfortable with a therapist if I knew absolutely, 100%, that they could not and would not use any sort of coercive measures on me. My worry about point-blank questions is that asking too many direct questions is another sign that something's seriously wrong and you need controlling.

I guess..I want to know how people manage in a world where abuse and trouble can come out of the blue, and there's often nothing you can do to stop them. A world where talk of things like "boundaries" and "red flags" are often fantasies of people who haven't really been in a situation where they had no choice. A world where hanging on to what everyone tells you is a "cognitive distortion" is the only thing that keeps you sane through abuse that no one around you wants to acknowledge. I want to know how to live not looking over my shoulder all the time when not taking actions that most people would consider paranoid has in fact led to being abused.
 
I guess at this point...I'd only be comfortable with a therapist if I knew absolutely, 100%, that they could not and would not use any sort of coercive measures on me.
Well...they take a fairly significant oath not to, and can have their license taken away if they do something like use coercion.

When you say "they could not" - I want to go back to that situation with the other counselor - what did he threaten you with? Because there is a lot that is just not legally possible, especially if you stick to people who are not MDs.

How could a therapist threaten to hospitalize you if you stopped hanging out with a certain group? I could see this in theory, and on a long shot, happening in certain kinds of school settings. But you aren't in school right now, are you?

It is very, very normal to have a conversation with a therapist - sometimes on the first session - about what their perspective is on crisis management and hospitalization. I've done that many times over, because I have problems with suicidality, and want to be able to work on those in therapy - but I can't if the therapist is not comfortable with handing crises, and with trusting me to hold up my end of a safety contract. That's the stuff I don't want to be misunderstood about.

What could you say in therapy that might lead to a situation where a therapist was trying to talk you into hospitalization? And is that your fear - being hospitalized?
 
There was a programme on UK Radio 4 many years ago. It was about a guy called Rufus May, who had been hospitalised as a schizophrenic and then became a clinical psychologist. I was in the car and it was one of those programmes you pull over for.

He described how, once you were in the mental health system, everything one did was seen through that lens. Behaviour that was appropriate and understandable was interpreted as further evidence of ones personality disorder.

This was also true when changing or coming off powerful medication... the psychological problems and distress around withdrawal were assumed to be caused by the diagnosis, not something that anyone would suffer in the circumstances.

It was a powerful indictment of the mental health system and how once inside it, it becomes almost impossible to escape the labels one has been given by "professionals", regardless of how misguided or downright incompetent the diagnosis was.
 
Part of my problem is that I experienced a lot of trauma and disbelief within the mental health system....
Back in the late 80's I was misdiagnosed by a very well-respected psychiatric hospital psychiatrist with bi-polar and for decades I was on multiple anti-psychotics and psychotropic drugs at the same exact time and I was the walking dead - a zombie. During this time period, I self-admitted to a psychiatric hospital because my brain wasn't having it on all of those drugs, and I NEVER ever had bi-polar!!! and didn't need all of those bleeping for decades mind-numbing altering Rx's either!

During and unrelated psych. admission, a guy came in with a severe head injury trauma due to the tractor accident on his farm, and he was accidentally (nurse mistake) was allowed to roam free through the psych. ward halls and therefore free to go in and out of female patient's (me included) hospital rooms. One young woman he tried to suffocate with a pillow; another female patient he masturbated in front of her and ejaculated close to her bed; and he came into my room and touched my hip (I was lying on side and not able to sleep and I screamed and he ran out). Afterwards we female patients had to walk up a dimly lit hall to the medication window (like on One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest) and walk back in the again dimly lit hallway to our respective rooms.

The next a.m. I lost it and demanded a meeting be called with the chief psychiatrist and the nurses/staff and I sounded off and so did some of the other female patients who were abused by this male injured patient.

I've had a psychologist not believe me after I told him that I'd been sexually assaulted by the gastro dr. dawson, and this same psychologist called my mother and I quote, "Jade, you had a shitty mother!" Fired him twice.

Later, in 3/2012 without so much as a by your leave, I was after being told that I NEVER had bi-polar and that my diagnoses is prolonged comp. ptsd and major depressive disorder, not one of the health care "professionals" said "I'm sorry, Jade". I was put on for decades brain melting and mind-altering Rx's that I NEVER needed. I understand that drs. in all professions make mistakes hence medical malpractice insurance and lawyers, and such. Because (I was told) that bi-polar symtoms closely resemble prolonged comp. ptsd that this was an easy mistake to make and happens quite frequently in mental health diagnostics. And I found no comfort in learning this and my body was subjected for decades potent and brain-altering Rx's that were NOT suppose to be prescribed for prolonged comp. ptsd. And prior to this date (3/2012), I was never allowed I assume due to bi-polar dx - to fully discuss in talk therapy with a L.C.S.W. about the extreme physical and sexual abuse that was lying beneath the surface for decades as well Grrr.. I was told to stay in the present, and look toward the future. And I have other cra-cra stories about abuse by mental health drs. I am not vilifying mental health care professionals. NO! I am simply sharing what happened to me in relationship to @Sunset above post. Many more horrifying stories, that I choose not to write about here Sunset.

There are those mental health drs. that first do no harm, and there are those that historically have destroyed patients to the point they took their own lives, and then there are the stories in between where the patient had restorative mental health good outcome with their mental health professional, and there are those who had to leave their mental health dr. and find a psychologist and/or psychiatrist that was best suited for their individual needs. It is hard to leave an already established dr./patient relationship. I know. Been there done that. Brain is the organ that runs the heart, everything! So finding another mental health dr. is so worth it, don't you think! I certainly do.

I use to and will never again fully and implicitly trust anyone in the mental health profession or most anyone anywhere for that matter ( said MOST, not all) and I know this is because I have recently learned a few weeks ago through EMDR that the bio-father (not just the step-father) was a sexual perv and I pray that I do not stay tin his dis-trusting zone of most everyone indefinitely and will work hard in T not to, for the rest of my life I assume I'll be working on core trust issues. Currently, I am very hyper-vigilant and am now trying to assume responsibility for not allowing mental health/ or any dr. to make unsound and harmful decisions re my mental/physical health and to make sure they are not and will not harm me. Listening to sound advice from others and red flags is very healthy and taking good sound advice from those smarter and more savvy in areas than me.

Recently, I just went through a hellish experience by a well-meaning and well-known with good creds psychologist who was not utilizing Dr. Francine Shapiro's EMDR protocol and was frying my brain. And this well-meaning psychologist was by not following Dr. Shapiro's teachings and was causing me to have extreme paranoia, fear, and panic - and this was not done intentionally to harm me, yet this mental health dr. was most indeed HARMING me!. I was unable to function mentally, emotionally, and in most every way, so I talked about it, prayed about it, and got sound advice about it, and listened to sound advice, and now I will be more aware each week in therapy and not put psych. dr. up on the god pedestal to where he can knock himself back off again. I've taken everybody off the god pedestal and I worship at the feet of no one, never again. For there are healthy and not so healthy and down-right disreputable mental health professionals out there, and we must be very careful whom we listen to and entrust our brain and mind to, because irreversible damage has/can be done. And we may have two kidneys, eyes, etc. but we only have one brain which runs/rules the entire body's functioning Sunset, thank you for your post. Good post - one that makes us all think and practice due diligence. Take care. JJ
 
I feel for you Sunset. I understand what you are talking about. I have dealt with the public mental health system, and private therapy is where I feel safe. The public system for me was a disaster. I felt so abused by them and deceived. They enabled sex crimes against me too, by conversing with one of my perpetrators and believe the perpetrator when he was lying to them saying I was homicidal. The person is registered sex offender and pedophile, but they didn't listen to me at all. When they found out they were wrong there was no apology, just a lot of silence. It was just beyond terrible. I really felt like they were not on my side or anyone's side really. I wish I was "paranoid" back then. I think sometimes it is reasonable to not trust, as a safeguard. It still hurts with everything they did to make life miserable and inflict suffering, but I wish I was as "paranoid" then as I am now. Luckily now I know to not take the public system seriously at all for mental health due to experience.
 
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