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Are The Majority Of Therapists Crazy?

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"Rings of fear mongering": again, please don't overgeneralize.

Just my opinion.

Exactly. Just your opinion.
It's why I added "to me" after "rings of fear-mongering"....and then also added "just my opinion". I'm only stating my opinion, and I know that. I retract saying that your expectation colored your experience. It is my opinion that it might do so, with people (in general) who have had more than one negative experience.

Not picking a fight here, just stating an opposing viewpoint. Bowing out now.
 
One observation so far: Posters who speak dotingly of the field use as their example: One therapist. Posters who speak ill of them offer as examples: Many.
 
I've had 1 out of 4 really weak psychiatrists - others might call him (weak one) crooked for big pharma $ based on how he handled me. I'd just say, weak. Not too caring or careful or invested. Started me on samples for a drug still under patent, it got very expensive for me very fast. But the other 3 have been great.

I've had 2 out of six bad therapists. One wasn't at all a good fit but she misrepresented herself over the first four sessions, so took me awhile to know what was up. The other was a straight psychoanalyst. Very bad style for me. But she made it incredibly difficult to leave (threatened hospitalization) and when I simply wrote and terminated, she said she did not accept that and continued billing me for appointments I never even scheduled, based on..stubbornness? Until I finally just paid it, because I couldn't handle dealing with the legal side. A lot of money.

The other four were a spectrum from very good but not trained enough for what I realized I needed, to excellent for my needs.
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Posters who speak dotingly of the field use as their example: One therapist.
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Posters who speak ill of them offer as examples: Many.
This makes sense to me. For a couple of reasons.

People who get a good T? Tend to stick with them. Often for over a decade. If not, shop around.

Second, IME, some people tend to have unrealistic expectations of their T. Examples that commonly seem to come up in this bracket: my T is deliberately messing with me head (yup, that's their job!), my T is deliberately distressing/upsetting me for ??? reasons (yup, trauma therapy usually includes a lot of distresing work), and one that seems to be recurrent in this thread, my T is mentally unstable.

That last one is particularly odd to me. Examples such as "My T has to take meds for Bipolar", or "my T has previously been hospitalised for a suicide attempt", I'm not sure where that train of thought is going. T's come from a wide range of social backgrounds, and suffer mental illness like the rest of the population. When you consider that 1 in 5 people will suffer from Depression alone at some point, it makes sense that there are quite a few T's out there with their own history of mental illness. Fortunately, for a lot of people, mental illness is kind of like getting pneumonia: you get it, you treat it, it goes away. And if they're managing their illness with medication? That seems pretty sane to me personally, and is evidence that mich of the stigma around mental illness (Argh! Mentally ill! Couldn't possibly hold down a job responsibly!) is simply unwarranted and oftentimes misinformed. Fortunately in many places we now have Disabilty Discrimination laws to allow people with disabilities to work in a broad range of occupations. People with disabilities bring a lot to the table, and it would be a loss to the rest of the population to exclude them solely because of a history of mental illness.

T's are human, and they have their own experiences of life - good and bad. T's who can use this experience to inform their treatment of clients? Good thing perhaps, instead of relying solely on textbooks they're applying that knowledge to what they know of the real world.

Unfortunately, there also seems to be a large number of people aho have a bad experience of therapy and interpret this is their T's fault (anything from incompetence to maliciousness). But the reality is that many people find they aren't a good fit with their T for a broad range of reasons, and the tendency to "blame" the T for a bad outcome sometimes speaks more about the person receiving the therapy (their relationships, personality traits, expectations, etc) than the therapist themself.

Statements like "I knew a T personally and they told me that all T's are monsters!" Weeeeell, I've said that about my own profession more than once:rolleyes:

Of course their are bad T's out there. But one does wonder about the person receiving the therapy, rather than the therapist themself, when one person has a string of bad outcomes. That's not a dig at any particular poster: I can reflect that it's worked out really badly for me and some of the T's I've tried in the past. And it's painful to admit it, but a very big part of the reason for the bad outcome was...me.
 
And it's painful to admit it, but a very big part of the reason for the bad outcome was...me.
Well, that's your issue, I did nothing wrong.

my T is deliberately messing with me head (yup, that's their job!), my T is deliberately distressing/upsetting me for ??? reasons (yup, trauma therapy usually includes a lot of distresing work)
And you're totally twisting our words around. We're talking about personally attacking us for reasons that have zero to do with our presenting problems or their treatment.
 
We're talking about personally attacking us for reasons that have zero to do with our presenting problems or their treatment.
Honestly, I'm not attacking anyone. Or twisting anyone's words. There's a tonne of posts on this thread now, and I was just giving my opinion in response to the cumulative thrust of the thread. Calm down, it really isn't personal:)
 
Honestly, I'm not attacking anyone. Or twisting anyone's words. There's a tonne of posts on this thread now, and I was just giving my opinion in response to the cumulative thrust of the thread. Calm down, it really isn't personal:)
For goodness sake, I was talking about therapists attacking us, not you.
 
T's are human, and they have their own experiences of life - good and bad. T's who can use this experience to inform their treatment of clients? Good thing perhaps, instead of relying solely on textbooks they're applying that knowledge to what they know of the real world.

Indeed! That's what makes my therapist really great in my opinion. He had an emotionally abusive father. He got so many degrees as an "i'll show you". He had horrible anxiety when his mom passed and thought it was his heart (because he can't possibly get anxiety as a therapist). And recently the day after he heard his sister died he teared up in session (which made me feel that the trust is both ways).

I couldn't get better with a therapist that was all clinical and zero real world and very fortunate my therapist shares his experiences with me.

Of course some therapists are bad/mentally ill but not the majority. And i also agree that if their mental illness is under control and doesn't flow over to the client, why does it matter? And I also agree to ask if you are contributing to a bad outcome in therapy and place them in the catigory of "crazy"?
 
And I also agree to ask if you are contributing to a bad outcome in therapy and place them in the catigory of "crazy"?
What I mean by "crazy" isn't struggling (but coping) with some of their own emotional issues. I mean so f*cked up they can't or won't give adequate treatment, and you are putting yourself at risk of something creepy and inappropriate just being near them.
 
I mean so f*cked up they can't or won't give adequate treatment, and you are putting yourself at risk of something creepy and inappropriate just being near them.
It's clear that you've had a pretty traumatic situation with a T in the past, and I'm truly sorry. Hopefully you reported them...??

But are you able to come at the idea that this definition of 'crazy' would put that particular type of T in a very small minority? When we have a traumatic experience, the safest thing to do is proceed on the basis that all of that particular group of people are potentially dangerous. But the number of T's out there that would be dangerous 'just by being near them' must be fairly small, right?

I'm not suggesting that you plunge yourself into finding a new T. Some people cone through ptsd without one. They aren't always critical to our recovery. But one bad experience, to the extent of just being near the person is dangerous, does not mean that there are people like that everywhere. And believing that people like that are everywhere is not just inaccurate, more importantly it tends to hinder the healing process...

Just some thoughts.
 
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