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Physical Dependence vs Addiction - part II

Just wanted to add that I was in no way saying that antidepressants are or aren't addictive or that benzos are more addictive that antidepressants....I was just explaining the difference between physical dependence and addiction as it was explained to me. I have very little firsthand experience with antidepressants, so I can't speak from personal experience what it's like to withdrawal from them.

Case in point regarding physical dependence versus addiction: I know my husband has taken pain medications several times in his life (and for fairly lengths of time), has even abused them sometimes, and he has become physically dependent, but never seemingly addicted. In other words, he had withdrawal symptoms when he stopped the medications, but after a few weeks, it like he had never taken the drug.....he didn't obsess on being able to try it again, to get more.

Now me, when I quit drinking, it was a great struggle for months not to drink again and to a lesser degree it still is a struggle two years later. When you've stopped taking antidepressants, Linasmom, has it stayed with you like an obsession in your mind? (asking because I'm seriously curious as I don't have that firsthand experience).

Proof is in the pudding. There's a pain medication that I was addicted to and physically dependent on that doctors said, and still say, is not addictive. There are now support groups for people that took this medication and became addicted to who say that the docs are wrong.

But is there a difference between physical dependence and addiction? I believe so as I've seen both sides of the fence (my husband's dependence vs. my addiction).
 
I've been thinking a lot about the information in this thread and my starting to take ativan.

a few months ago i was so overwhelmed with anxiety not knowing why or even that it was anxiety necessarily. at a friends house i took a hit of pot. it helped a lot. i used to smoke in high school but have barely touched the stuff for 15 years. I bought myself a small stash and enjoyed sweet relief for a couple of months until it ran out.

My PTSD being combat related i have a lot of difficulty being in crowds and just being in social situations. for our vacation we attended a four day music festival with 10,000 other folks. the whole time I enjoyed my self and did not think once about the types of things i do normal (like people are following me or trying to kill me ect). I would have spent the evening in the tent otherwise. since i have run out i often find my self wishing i had more but that's it. I'm not out on the street looking for my next fix.

so far the ativan has been about as effective in treating the anxiety as smoking. (day 2 of taking it)

I'm not saying pot's not addictive (and there are cons/side effects to using it) but from what i have seen and experienced these are much less than what has been described here about ativan.

why is one drug OK to take in the eyes of society and another not. especially when the leagl drug causes physical dependace and med seeking behavior.

just thinking out loud
 
Exactly! Exactly!! I'm so glad people are speaking up. This is exactly my point! One is okay but the other is not?! I find it ridiculous...absurd!!! Society/academia/big corporation/religious ideologists/whomever has simply placed labels on certain drugs and not on others in order to further some sociological/economical gain.

It's B.S.! If we are going to play the "addiction" game - then let's play fair! All those drugs our doctors hand out like candy at a christmas parade are addictive just like any other VICE drug is addictive.

We are made to believe that we aren't allowed to "Feel Good" because anything that brings about a bodily high is wrong, it's addictive (even if that "feel good" drug relieves symptoms that we, as PTSDers have!)- we are only allowed to take drugs that allow us to be somewhat productive, that make us have no feelings at all, an existence of drones.

FINE! If those "vice" drugs are going to carry the addictive label then so should anti-depressants and then those will be stigmatized too because that's what this society does!

OR

We stop stigmatizing altogether. Because honestly, I'm sick of it!

Roar!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
That is funny about the pot. If my son was on this forum he would start a riot about how it should be legal.

I try to get him to take medication because he won't get into trouble with it. Pot has legal ramifications, but he refuses to go to a doctor and tell them he needs medication for anxiety because he doesn't want it on his record.

I've said all I can say to him and it's his choice. I did look into pot and I believe it is no worse than the stupid drug, Adderall, that I'm addicted to eh!

Tammy
 
Linasmom, I was wondering if you read my post and if you think there is truth to it from your perspective?

BTW, sorry to the OP for getting the thread kind of off the subject.
 
My two cents worth........I will assume that you can not get marihuana for medical purposes in the United States??

I never realized until a short time ago that you can have medicinal marihuana proscribed for PTSD (as well as other medical conditions) here in Canada. Buy it straight from the government or get a certificate/licence to grow your own as long as you can find a doc to sign off on it. Don't really know more about it than that.

Curious though if the U.S. is the only country where you can not get it or are the U.K. and Australia the same?

I know it's a little off the original topic but I thought the whole addictive, non-addictive aspect had been flogged to death :) and I was curious about the marihuana aspect and how other countries handle it.
 
You can get marijuana for medicinal purposes in the US but I believe it is pretty difficult to do and only for a very limited number of conditions. I don't know a lot about this topic so I could be wrong about the degree of difficulty in obtaining it legally but I do know it is possible.
 
not to continue to hijack the thread but here is what I know. California legalized it on the state level for medical purposes but the scope on what it can be prescribed for was very wide if you find the right doc. but on the federal level it is still illegal. there are places that have popped up that will sell it to you if you have a prescription but those places regularly get raided by the feds. at best it seems like it has been decriminalized in that state which is good enough for me.

Some day! hopefully soon
 
Linsmom,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I go through phases of being okay on-line, and being completely anti-social~

I was basing my answers on academia and personal experience. After being on so many anti-depressants I feel I have some experience on that side of the coin, as well as being a recovery addict. As I stated in a prior message I am only here to share my experience, not argue. This is only my opinion.

And I stick by what I say. As far as not knowing an addict stealing money for benzo's, you must know very few. It is in fact quite common. Opiate addicts use the benzo's to enhance the high, and speed and cocaine addicts use it to mellow out.

There is a study at UCLA that involves brain imaging. It shows that an addict's brain is different then someone who doesn't have this particular chemical imbalance. You either are an addict or your not, there is no middle ground. This is black and white.

It's funny the medicinal marijuana has come up here, as both my therapist have been on me to try this. Especially, for the pain in my jaw and neck. I live in California, and it is quite easy to get a script. And legal shops to buy I just haven't called the doctor yet!
Thinking about the two options, ativan or marijuana, I am more comfortable with the marijuana~ (as a recovery addict)
 
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good grief.

It's not about an argument, but instead, using your own brain to find logic in situations where there seems to be none.

and as for knowing addicts - I know tons. Except the addicts I know aren't stealing money to get benzos to come down off of a coke high, they are stealing money to get more coke. And the opiate addicts I know (AGAIN, I live with one!) has never stolen money for a benzo fix to mix with heroin, but has surely stolen money to get heroin!
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You're missing the entire point of this conversation, but really...have fun in school, I hope you learn tons.

Best,
Rachel
 
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