C-ptsd, Never Had Dissociation?

[PandaBear12212]

I really need you all to read this very carefully. We all need to agree to disagree. Some of us believe in C-PTSD. Others don't. That's fine. Get over it. Let us who believe in it believe in it. It helps us understand our disorder and it's symptoms better, and it helps us communicate with our doctors and therapists better. Just like Christians versus non-Christians: Let those who believe believe and let those who do not believe not believe. Leave it at that, and leave it alone.


AGAIN, the only thing I was looking for was clarification on what exactly dissociation was and what it felt like, so that I could understand it better so that I could bring it back to my therapists to further help me try to get better. However these insults and arguing and discounting me is NOT helping me get better in any way. So please, leave it be. And if you have information on DISSOCIATION please share your experiences. But do not discount me on my own beliefs and insult me. Because to be frank you have pushed me to a very negative place.

 

[anthony]

@PandaBear12212 what I say about PTSD vs CPTSD is not due to belief systems, thus trying to compare christian to non-christian has nothing to do with it. This website has always been, and will continue so whilst I'm at the helm, to state fact when talking about such things, and not making up things for the sake of feeling better or such.

Your above quote about CPTSD criterion, where exactly did that come from? Let me guess... wikipedia? Maybe Van Der Kolks website or complex trauma website? It didn't come from the only two legal diagnostic sources within the world, which are the DSM V and ICD.

What people are saying in relation to referring to oneself as complex because their trauma is complex, that is fine... but does not negate the point of accepting that CPTSD is not an official, OR legal, diagnosis anywhere in the world. I'm not here to tell you lies, I'm here to cite the truth and facts for you so you know exactly what you're dealing with and what is correct within the world for PTSD.

Using CPTSD to describe your symptoms is fine, and lots here do it. But you must know and accept that there is no such legal diagnosis as CPTSD. That is not fact. It is a lie.

Complex trauma also has nothing to do with multiple trauma, because two people can have longevity childhood abuse, and only one is deemed as complex trauma and the other isn't. Why? Because it's how the treating therapist interprets the severity of the persons presenting symptoms to their present lifestyle. It has nothing to do with how many traumas you endure.

I honestly think you have a lot to learn about PTSD yet, and maybe shouldn't try and shove such nonsense down mine, or anyone else's throat, unless you have the facts. If you're unsure what a fact is, please lookup the definition, because it isn't some statement or words found on a website without authoritative documentation to back it up. In the scheme of diagnosis, that means legal diagnostic documentation that has been approved for use and published as such, thus insurance and legal companies use those source documents for referral.

Currently the official, and only diagnoses are:

1. ICD 10 (2010) - F43.1 Post-traumatic stress disorder
2. DSM V - 309.81 (F43.10) Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

The ICD currently have F43.10 as unspecified PTSD, F43.11 as Acute PTSD and F43.12 as Chronic PTSD, which are the current and 2014/2015 legal diagnoses. People often confuse chronic PTSD with thinking it means CPTSD, which is referred to as below, for complex trauma, not chronic PTSD.

CPTSD as a diagnosis has been officially rejected by the American Psychiatric Association, thus did not become a diagnosis within the DSM V, however; the push did see the sub-types evolve, which we now have diagnosis to cover both dissociative and depersonalisation specifically within PTSD subjects where those symptoms are by themselves a major issue. Saying that, by diagnostic text, when an issue is by itself sufficient to warrant its own diagnosis, then it should do just that, which means a person who suffers both PTSD and dissociation, both of which play their own roles within the persons life to warrant, then both diagnoses are given individually.

This is why CPTSD was rejected. You need to learn before you just grab random nonsense from the web and cite is as anything of importance.

Complex trauma is very real. There are people here who have complex trauma. Complex trauma, again, has nothing to do with how many traumas though. Complex trauma is typically given to those where their actual personality becomes changed due to the traumatic impact, i.e. POW's / longevity torture and some childhood abuse cases.

You should not confuse any of this with what you have endured personally. What you endured is real. CPTSD, is simply not real, not at the present tense. It may... in the future, if the ICD pick it up. One has rejected it... will the other? That is unknown.

You should focus on your trauma and not trying to fit within a label. Therapists are often wrong. Misdiagnosis for PTSD is quite high. By your own admission, you don't believe you endure dissociation of the severe affect to warrant what is associated to complex trauma, thus you should trust yourself and not what your therapist says. You know you best, nobody else. Again... ask your therapist to show you the official diagnostic criterion in which they used to label your trauma as such. I will bet they can't... not from either diagnostic manual.

Me personally... I would not work with a therapist who makes stuff up for themselves and isn't honest with their clients.

 

[PandaBear12212]

Are you done? Seriously did you NOT read my post at all? I said I only wanted information on dissociation. That post was absolutely no help. Again your opinion is yours and mine is mine. So leave it alone. I like the therapists that I work with because they are actually helping me. That post however, is not.

 

[PandaBear12212]

And no, it wasn't from wikipedia. Do not make rude false assumptions.

 

[PandaBear12212]

You truly are being rude right now and you seem very intent on making me feel somehow "inferior" to you. Again, your arguments on C-PTSD offer me absolutely no help. In fact, you are doing the exact opposite right now. Trust me. So please, again, leave me alone to my beliefs, or actually offer me HELP on understanding DISSOCIATION. I will NOT say this again. Quite frankly unless someone posts an answer to my questions about dissociation, I don't feel I should bother reading the post as it will not help me in any way.

 

[PandaBear12212]

Quite frankly I tell people the truth, exactly how I feel.
1) I am NOT shoving ANYTHING down ANYONE'S THROATS. You asked for criteria and I provided such. I never told anyone "You have C-PTSD" or whatever. It is what I use to help ME in MY situation.
2) I never asked for your "facts". You have a biased view. And I never asked for any feedback on CPTSD.
3) Your posts have so far never provided any help as to understanding dissociation. So why are you posting in a forum about dissociation?
4) Stop talking down to me like I am some inferior neanderthal.
5) I have learned plenty and I am in no means desperate to grab random nonsense. Stop discounting me as if I am vomiting nonsense. 6) I never said I don't believe I've never had dissociation. The whole point of this thread was to ask what others experience with dissociation was because I was UNSURE if I had ever experienced it. Now through reading posts that were actually helpful on here, I believe that amnesia and feeling like everyone is one person, and my flashbacks is my experience with dissociation.
7) I know myself best. EXACTLY. So stop assuming MY intentions
8) As stated earlier I am completely blunt, open, and honest with people. So I am honest enough to inform you, not by any means to make you feel "guilty", but because of such rude assumptions and comments that provided no help whatsoever and only stressed me out, it has led me to self harm because I simply can not tolerate how rude and volatile such posts are. What I am saying is posts like yours are merely triggering, unhelpful, and are putting me in a horrible state. So please, just. STOP.

 

[Pencil]

There was a time the world was officially flat.

Panda, I had the same problem regarding dissociation. I heard of dissociation the first time I came on this forum, and I thought, and said as much on here - that I did not dissociate. Like Luke, I realized that dissociation is so much part of me that I always assumed it was something everybody did. Irritability is part of the symptoms (but I wouldn't dare name the disorder it is a symptom of) and I become intensely irritable - to the point of blind aggression - when someone tries to 'get me back into the world'. However, it is very difficult to explain exactly what it is like, or feels like.

I understand your frustration, but you are in danger of becoming as rude as you accuse others of being. Please take what is useful to you and discard the rest.

 

[PandaBear12212]

I would encourage those of you who do not understand why some of us use the term Complex to listen to the lectures of Dr. Frank Ochberg. I find his lectures particularly insightful and calming. As I've said, I'm simply not going to bother reading a post anymore that does not offer helpful insight on dissociation. I am not trying to be rude but I was pushed too far, I was triggered, I felt attacked. And I snapped. But what I say still stands. If you can't offer helpful insight, but only rude hurtful comments, don't comment. I won't acknowledge them anyway, so don't waste your time. For those of you who have told me about their experiences with dissociation, thank you.

 

[ResaLock]

@PandaBear12212 With all do respect and trying to empathize with you and what you are striving to seek. I believe I am the only one who really gave you full detail and my own experiences of dissociation and the differences, likenesses and it being linked to my PTSD.
Which I experienced disassociation due to traumas, acute stress and my PTSD.

You expressed you never experienced it before, you never had it, you don't know what it is. Then it is you who acted rudely to me and insulted me and made an assumptuous claim that I am talking about personality disorders. Which yes I did look up where you could of got that information, since it is not a personality disorder in relation to it being connected to PTSD. It is found though in an article on the Wikipedia. Which you responded to me by what you read on the Wikipedia.

I am speaking by my knowledge and experiences, and you insulted it and brushed it off as if, no one answered you. I do not know if you did not expect the answer you were looking for, or what you wanted it to be or should be. ...But you simply asked and I simply took the time to even go through and talk about painful experiences of PTSD and disassociation and completely insulted and disregarded it. Then you continue to go on and act as though your still looking for an answer you claim no one answered.

I also know about Dr Frank Ochberg. Have watched several of his videos in the past and just reviewed him a few hours ago. I chose not to even go on and reply and give anymore feedback. Because even though I am a really good debater. I chose not to bring it into this forum. Because my only focus in here is MyPTSD.

Concerning Dr. Frank Ochberg. Even though he may be a claimed well known Psychiatrist out of Harvard. He is only studying old school opinions of other people. Many of his claims on PTSD and other things are very unenlightened. I can easily prove wrong many things he says. Examples would be his statements on excessive worry and PTSD sufferers. He falsely claims worrying is based on things of the future. Not true. Just like many of his claims on PTSD and such. Matter of fact many of his so called opinions are very insulting to people with PTSD and having PTSD. Which happens much when people air their own unenlightened opinions on PTSD.

Also I am questioning, and maybe you should question; why it is that you need to explain someone else dissociation to your therapists, if you do not have dissociation. I was a little lost on that. I have seen others ask that before on other sites. I get a little confused as to why people ask to explain things so they can tell their therapist what it is. I do question the integrity of that. Excuse me but it just seems really strange to me. hmmm Well maybe you should try asking your therapist what dissociation is. Just sayin'