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Relationship Can My Boyfriend Ever Heal And Trust. (childhood Neglect And Combat Ptsd)

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Miss walt

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Sorry it is long, please bare with me....Double whammy PTSD basically.

Met my Boyfriend (bf) in June 2013, via chatting on Facebook. He loosely told me he had PTSD from being in Afghanistan though he worded it as "apparently, I have PTSD". He also told me he lost his mum aged four owing to her violent partner beating her to death. (Not his dad, he never knew him). On being taken from his home he was put with an aunt who had lots of children. He was treated badly and the only parts he has told me is that he was starved while the other kids were fed, he was given scraps or stale bread, they burnt him with cigarettes, he was in clothes two years below his age. I also know before his mum died he witnessed much violence and he told me he found her dead. (Though I know this is untrue through talking to his adoptive mum. He witnessed so much, he thinks he found her, it is maybe a memory he created)?

He was a wayward teenager, didn't finish school, despite he was adopted aged 6 by a great mum and dad. Throughout his childhood, attempts of counselling for anger management were made, never grief counseling. Nobody ever talked to him about his mum/her death. And he refused to talk at anger management. He was kicked out of the army and then joined the foreign legion aged 22 where he turned around his wayward life.

Out of the frying pan into the fire maybe. He broke his neck but survived and is still very fit. However he was discharged from the parachute reg but, retrained as a Medic. This then meant on the frontline he witnessed horrors he wouldn't discuss with me, but also lost friends and was unable to save his best friend who was shot in the head infront of him. He was also blown up in IED but survived with temp hearing loss.

So that is his story. I knew getting involved with him wouldn't be straight forward. I am well informed on PTSD as work in occ health for emergency services. I have also had PTSD twice from waking whilst under GA and secondly from being terminally ill to undergoing transplant, my PTSD was worse then but short lived in comparison to others.

Our relationship began quickly and intensely (on his behalf) I was more laid back. But a while in, he disappeared for days, drinking non stop and disappeared out of the country. He also works abroad as a remote area /offshore medic. I was gob smacked as he had just told me he loved me. We spent the next six weeks chatting and he came back. We got back into a relationship. He offered me his facebook password to prove I could trust him. This was new on me, I had been married for nine years before meeting him and not been in this situation where someone was inviting me to check up on them. Little by little messages from other girls were emerging, they stemmed from, flirtatious, casual, suggesting to meet up, and a photo of nudity sent, but never once did he meet these girls. It's caused mayhem for us and upset, on questioning, his reason was, to try and recreate butterflies, to lose me and try to get me back. I have been reading a lot about PTSD and the inability to connect emotionally and his reasoning for the betrayal, makes sense to me. Maybe excitement is the only thing he can feel? Although the fact it continues means he feels no guilt or remorse?

Christmas 2013 was horrific with him drinking, and sleeping and putting drinking first always. I became depressed and anxious and said I didn't know if we can carry on like this if he won't get help. He once again disappeared, drank for three days straight, took drugs and slept out and did sleep with another girl who is a jobless, loose, drug user. Nobody nice. He couldn't face me anymore after this. He told me he hated me and would kill me. It was like he blamed me for his weekend of misery. Through my grief I managed to stay calm and said if he wanted help I would still be here, but not in girlfriend capacity. He retuned to his job where he suffered a breakdown and didn't last his rotation in Africa. He went to his apartment in France where he drank everyday for 10 days. Then he emailed me saying he ended help. This was six weeks ago. He returned to UK where a GP put him on mirtazipine 15mg and he has been referred into a veterans counselling service. His appointment is in four weeks.

Our actual relationship PTSD aside is fantastic. We chat, laugh, play, and I'm very patient. The lie ins, the untidiness, his inability to remember or organise I accept as part of PTSD. But I know the veterans will deal with the combat PTSD, but I'm scared that his inability to relax and trust within a relationship will not be solved without specific therapy for the childhood traumas.

His previous relationships have been volatile, where his girlfriend would attack him, or they would physically fight each other. Or they have taken his behaviour as being a wa**ker and finished him. And I know now, many people think I am a mug. But those people don't have the slightest clue about what he has been thorough or what PTSD does to the brain/behaviors. He won't talk to me about "us" now, it's like he put up another wall. In the messaging to other women, which I have read, there is usually no mention of me, like I don't exist. There is no thanks, no joy or no pride for being with me when he talks to others. Is this part of disassociation behaviour?

I love him so so much, and love the side that is there when we are quality, I love him when he is not so good and can't keep still through anxiety, I love him when he can't wake up because of the drugs, I love him through the negative, but I'm struggling with the rejection. He told me, wouldn't it be easier and wouldn't you be happier if you were with someone else.? We split up at Christmas as I mentioned above, but over the past six weeks while helping him after breakdown we have been like a couple again in every way but when asking, what are we? He replies things are ok, let's leave it like this and see. To me that puts the relationship open to abuse . Maybe to him, if we are not officially back together he can't lose me again? I just dint know. But on the phone yesterday, in a general convo about something, he said "tell them your boyfriend said so". So I really don't know what goes on in his head right now.

Do people who are abused and taught to build walls to protect ever learn to love, I have proven I am here for him whatever but he still tries to jeopardise us. In the first week I met him he told me loved me, I never said it back. But I soon did when I genuinely felt it. He was overly affectionate and amarous lol, and now I know the real him, I see that that was probably forced behaviour, because I don't see it or feel it at the moment but he is new on mirtazipine too. Could this be a factor?

Could it take years to teach him to love? Do those that get abused and or neglected stay faithful or always sneak about as if to have a back up plans. And maybe fear that what is here what is real maybe lost so they try to push it away? I wish I could be in is head at times. I feel so sorry for him, but sometimes, I don't know what to do for the best. There is a dim light on at the end of a tunnel now. With the tablets and the pending veterans counselling but I'm scared that he will get bogged down with it and runaway again. This is his last chance with the veterans-services as it is his second referral I to them. I wish he would research stuff too but he doesn't. That's another block out. If I hadn't researched stuff I don't think I would still be with him.

Thank you and any advice is welcome,
 
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Sorry American here, not British so can you tell me what this means:

whilst under GA

Please keep in mind, that there are people from all over the world on this forum.

What this means:

I was gob smacked

And I know now, many people think I am a mug. But those people don't have the slightest clue about what he has been thorough or what PTSD does to the brain/behaviors.

And also 'mug'? I am assuming something like gullible?

Yes, he has been through a lot however...He still needs to treat you with respect!

In the messaging to other women, which I have read, there is usually no mention of me, like I don't exist. There is no thanks, no joy or no pride for being with me when he talks to others.

With this and everything else you have said...He seems to be with you just for his own gains (maybe to fill the time). Relationships are two sided.

He told me he hated me and would kill me.

He once again disappeared, drank for three days straight, took drugs and slept out and did sleep with another girl who is a jobless, loose, drug user.

I have proven I am here for him whatever but he still tries to jeopardise us.

He said he wants to kill you!
 
I read the part of about saying he would kill you and stopped. I know you love him, but this is very very very serious.

I don't care what anyone has been through, once they have crossed that line, to me, that's it. Threatening me *is* that line. All you have is your life, and it's **way** more important than your love for someone who wants to take it. If that isn't going to wake you up, what is? That's why I'm wondering right now, because if he knows he can threaten violence and you will take it, there's only so much space between that and actually doing it. Even if he was in a messed-up state, it came out of his mouth, which means somewhere, that thought is or has been in his head... get out for your own safety.
 
Sorry, GA is general anaesthetic. Gob smacked means shocked and yes a mug, means gullible.

Which I'm not. Some of the things he says, he simply does not recall, genuine shock or disbelief that I have relayed it. I am aware that this common in post combat severe PTSD. He has been classed as urgent by the veterans team I might add. I didn't realise I was posting on an American site if I am honest. His behaviour in person to me is affectionate and friendly and I feel no threat from him, the hateful sentence of killing me was over the three days he had can't breakdown and drank solid for three days. He doesn't Recall it and has told this to the psychiatric nurse who assessed him in a crisis unit six weeks ago. I do believe he if he wished to use me for his own gains, he would not travel 100s of miles every four weeks taking two flights and a three hour drive. In this day and age sex is easy to get and he has many female admirers I see! I think you know in your gut feeling when someone takes advantage, I'm not feeling this, but more so see the behaviour issues in him damaging something he does also genuinely want.

I did read very good info from a Facebook military PTSD page but being an open page I do not wish for my friends to see my posts. So Googled some stuff and this site came up. When someone has a nervous breakdown it can take a long time to heal and with years of previous damage even longer I guess. I have since made it clear we will no longer blur the lines and while he undergoes therapy we remain only friends and then I think in time a more clearer picture will become available...thank you for your, sort of advice....
 
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Is he in intensive treatment?

Can he learn to trust and love? Maybe. Will he learn? I'm not very hopeful he will without intensive treatment that he is very motivated and invested in doing in order to stop the violent dissociate episodes where is has already threatened to murder someone he is close to. With a lot of work on his part, possible for him to improve.

He has been self medicating his pain, possibly an alcoholic, has been cheating on you (which you oddly seem to put all the blame on the girl) and threatening to end your life, and claiming he does not remember.

You are being abused.

I'm concerned that if you stay in this relationship, you will develop severe PTSD yourself! there is already enough that has happened that even if you never saw him again, you could still later develop PTSD from what you have already endured.

I would expect it to take years for him to heal enough for it to be safe for you and safe for him to date anyone. If this is PTSD related, closeness is a trigger in PTSD....

I am glad you are back to just being friends but it is hard to be friends with ex-boyfriends and girlfriends in the beat of circumstances.

No matter what is going on, I'm concerned he will have another violent episode and end up in jail because he doesn't have the skills or stability to handle dating anytime in the near future.

Why are you with him? Do you really see this as someone you want to be with for the long term? Do you see this as a long term friendship? Are you staying in the relationship or friendship with the hope he will change?
 
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Though I know this is untrue through talking to his adoptive mum

This was my first (of many) red flags I saw while reading your post. You know he has lied about this, what makes you think the other stories he has told you about his history are true? All you have is his version of 'the truth'.

Our actual relationship PTSD aside is fantastic

A lot (most) of his behaviors CANNOT be dismissed as being PTSD. PTSD is many things but it is not an excuse to be cruel and tell someone you will kill them. From what I can read here, there are far more negatives than there are positives in this relationship other than I am nearly positive you will end up hurt if you continue with it.
 
I skimmed so missed a lot of important stuff. My initial reaction was if disbelief that you accept his reasons for flirting with other girls. Really? You are willing to let other girls send him nude pics so he can get hot for you? This is wrong on so many levels. I think I'd honestly like to say kudos to him for being able to get you to accept this, but I won't. And oh, this isn't a part of PTSD. Accepting PTSD would be more along the lines of accepting the non-deliberate (key word here!) flashbacks, anxiety, need for space, etc; not deliberate actions to get attention in various forms from other women!

I think he is VERY manipulative. You honestly believe that he is being honest with you in giving you his Facebook password? He doesn't care AT ALL about honesty. He gave it to you knowing full well what you would find. Maybe this does add spark to his life, but why are you willing to accept it?
 
Two words. Walk. Now. What part of "Kill you" don't you understand, combined with his other behaviours? You seem to have some understanding of PTSD behaviours, but have blurred the lines when it comes to yourself and basic needs like safety and self preservation. PTSD is not great at the best of times, combine it with personality disorders and such that were already there but somewhat buried and untreated, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I had passwords, I had all the great stories as you do now. And I also had a liar and a cheat, just like you have now. Why are you worth so little? To yourself? Wake up. Your life depends on it.
 
I think the sentence I will kill you seems to be the one thing that people cling onto. On the weekend where I ended the relationship and he went AWOL. He rang me while drunk, he said don't you tell my company I have PTSD, if you tell them and I lose my job I will kill you. What I must point out, never ever even when drunk has there been a single row, any violence, or episode of it whilst in each other's company. Far from it.

I also think that to chat to other women in Facebook is cheating. The women he has chatted to are always overseas, and people he doesn't know as such. A random add. The women are the type that put provocative selfies on Facebook too. To chat to other women to get himself "hot" is neither the situation. As many wives or girlfriends know that PTSD often interferes with libido as it interferes with emotions.

My safety has never been at risk in his company. He was using alcohol to self medicate for years before he met me, since 2010, but not all the time. The environment he works in he is a medic in hostile areas where there is no alcohol. The last six weeks there has been no alcohol and I have attended his psych meetings. His treatment starts in four weeks. This is the first time since being discharged from service anyone has tried to help him and indeed the first time he has said yes I need and want help. At the moment he is numb and to talk to him about relationships is I guess pointless.

Somebody above suggested he maybe lying about his past. I have his medical records here from the army and everything he explained what happened there is true and secondly the abuse from his childhood is true as I am good friends with his adoptive mum.

I have read other forums where ex service men have addiction issues through PTSD and TBI, (traumatic brain injury). These addictions can be drugs, drink, porn, women. Indeed in my occupation I am aware of a man with PTSD who developed an addiction with meeting strangers for sex when his PTSD was at it's worst. He was married and it almost destroyed his family.
In my time with my boyfriend I must stress that until I actually ended the relationship at Xmas, he physically never cheated and it was all virtual over the internet. It broke my heart and between that and at the time, his indifference to getting help was why I couldn't be with him.
As someone said above, PTSD mix with underlying personality disorders is a recipe for disaster, I have now experienced this. I also asked him why did you give me your Facebook password and then chat to women like this. He just hung his head and said I don't know, I guess if I didn't want to be found out I wouldn't. I did think perhaps he wanted to be found out in order to try get someone to stop this. I have suggested to him that he chat about this unhealthy habit in therapy.

Why do I stick by him as opposed to cut him out. Because together we have a fab connection, a good fun relationship, I was wondering and came on here to see if any men or women who were previously abused by adults recognised any traits with being unable to trust.

My life is worth every breath, being so close to death and having it saved by a selfless donor makes me appreciate every minute. In his life, there has been nothing but trauma, abuse, and then the army added to this by training him up to further not trust people and endure things like cutting grass with a scissors for not speaking French, amongst other horrid punishments to harden him. Once they had been successful in this, and trained him to be a sniper, then a medic, they kicked him out with no help to fend for himself with severe PTSD. I see that nobody has ever tried to help him and now four years later, he is in therapy, and on medication. I was hoping it is a small start but there is 29 years of damage to be undone.

I am not unhappy when with him, I guess in the minds of other readers here, you have a picture of a monster in your head. But I have decided to open my mind and realise he may never be comfortable in situation where he has to be reliable and responsible for a girlfriend. But I won't turn my back on him while he is unwell either. People need help at this stage. I have two links I am going to try post below.
 
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This is a link from a facebook page called military with PTSD

We are asked many times if a certain behaviour or action is PTSD or something else. In many cases we can say yes this is or no this isn't but there are a few that are not so black and white. A couple things I have found in this grey area is lying, infidelity, drugs/alcohol.

First I want to say that all of these can and are in some way connected to PTSD. That being said it doesn't mean it is always PTSD it goes on a case by case situation. In many relationships PTSD causes trust issues between spouses and Veterans and because of this there can be quite a bit of lying involved. Now most of the lying isn't over big things as a matter of fact it is mostly small stuff but what can happen is when the Veteran is caught in a lie there is a loss of trust from the spouses side.

Another thing thing that happens when a Veteran is confronted about a lie in some cases they will lash out at the spouse either verbally or physically. A huge question on many of your minds is the all important Cheating question. Veterans with PTSD are unable to have the feelings you may associate with your relationship. There is an inability to feel compassion, love, happy, sad or any other emotion there is also a problem with Veterans being able to be close to another person since the ones he/she was close to may have been killed in combat. This is very common among combat Veterans or even MST Veterans. In many cases since there is this lack of a connection between you and your spouse it can and does lead many Veterans to search for a connection in any way possible it is almost desperate attempt to feel something with anyone they can. This can lead to cheating and it usually doesn't end up with a connection to another person except physically and it only hurts the connection the Veteran is unaware of at home. (On a side note cheating is a side effect of PTSD).

Next is substance abuse. Just as with the infidelity the Veteran is trying to feel something so they go about it in the wrong way by introducing substances. This can also go the other direction the Veteran can be trying to forget things by erasing the memory with substance abuse. No matter what side the Veteran is on with this one it is a one way ticket straight to the shit pile. You know I am very straight forward with what I say and any substance that's being used (and yes even pot) is not going to help PTSD.

We as Veterans need counselling, understanding and support. These are the only things that will help PTSD in the long run and anyone trying to convince you differently isn't looking out for your best interest. It is best if you have PTSD to stay away from any substances no matter what your PTSd is from. Self medication is more harmful than almost anything else you can do as a Veteran with PTSD and trust me I know from experience that you can get off of whatever you are taking and your life will improve. I had a very bad cocaine and alcohol problem for a few years after coming home and although it was hard I was able to kick the addictions and now with counselling have given up drugs, multiple sex partners and I try very hard to be truthful and my life is so much easier and better without these terrible things interfering in my treatment of PTSD.

My hope is someone reads this and something clicks and they look at what they are doing and realize they can live a broad and full life with PTSD as long as they get the help they need from the V.A or other mental health provider. You can do it it only takes the courage to start......
 
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I haven't even read all of your responses... Why? Because clearly you are trying to justify your own experience and NOT listening to what people here (who either have PTSD themselves or extensive experience being in relationships with someone with PTSD).

Why are you here if you're not going to listen? I'm not trying to tell you to go away, but to listen to us. We're trying to help you.

Also, in my experience, the longer the response, the longer the justification, the longer the lies you're telling yourself. Yes, I understand not wanting to turn your back on someone, more than most people, in fact. But, having your life threatened (under any circumstance) is a reason to walk away. If he does love you, he will understand that you can't stay because your very life is at risk. If he doesn't, then your life may not be worth enough regardless of your staying.

I say all of this not to be harsh, but out of concern for you. The reason why we're harping on the "I will kill you" statement is because PTSD doesn't make you say that.
 
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PTSD does not make sufferers lie, cheat or abuse substances. I don't do any of those things. Some people who don't have PTSD do those things. It is a false correlation. What it does is overwhelm people WITH very difficult emotions; we feel TOO much. Some sufferers, particularly those who are untreated, chose to try to block the emotions out by self-medicating with drugs or alcohol. Lying is a character trait that runs throughout many people in the entire world population. Threatening to kill people under whatever circumstance is an attribute of someone who is a controller and has the potential to be, or is already, a bullying abuser.

This site is full of kind, knowledgeable supporters and sufferers who have been through all sorts of hell. There is an enormous amount of very useful information on this site in the form of articles and thread discussions. I encourage you to continue to educate yourself here.
 
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